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Crabtree posted:I'm beginning to suspect that a lot of these 20 something super fans of the older show like to see themselves as Robin and don't like how Antagonistic and Robin like he is in GO. Granted some of them may also be angry about other things like mocking 10 year old RavenXBeast Boy shipping or don't enjoy some of the anti-lessons each of these episode focused jokes end on, but mainly Robin is TvTropes personified and they don't like how awful of a person he really is. quote:Family-Unfriendly Aesop: Many of the morals the show attempts to teach leave a lot to be desired.
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Sep 8, 2015 02:13
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i mean, maybe there is something to the idea that teen titans go should not make episodes glorifying being a lazy sack of poo poo. those people clearly watched those episodes, and then went on to become tvtropes editors. QED
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Sep 8, 2015 02:22
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I almost feel bad for TVtropers because TTG seems designed to drive them mad. If the show has any theme, it's too look at cliches, tropes and what fans fantasize about and want and to completely go against and downright mock those things. Sure most of these episodes make extremely clear that they are mocking things (Books for example makes it really clear how awkward and bad the lesson it's giving is and this is even reinforced later in the Young Justice episode) but to the type of spergs that love keeping track of tropes they're just getting annoyed that things aren't falling into place like they're supposed to and that they're being mocked for expecting that to happen. Still, there's no excuse for "think of the children" type arguments. Not only does does a single person on TVtropes not actually give a poo poo about children when it's with something they like, children are also way smarter than them in picking up things being not serious and perhaps even "jokes".
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Sep 8, 2015 02:31
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It's weird how Mr Enter types apparently hate and fear actual children and the things they like. Obviously they were never children themselves and were ideologically inviolable from birth.
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Sep 8, 2015 02:44
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The same types of children that threw fits when their parents wouldn't let them rent violent or sexuialized anime from Blockbuster grew up to be the prudes they thought were going to take away childhood when it was actually happening. A new generation of concerned adults have been born as they populate the jungles of Reddit, Twitter and TVTropes thinking anything they don't like is psychologically traumatizing kids.
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Sep 8, 2015 02:53
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quote:Robin may be an egotistical Control Freak, but despite his negative actions, it's not hard to feel sorry for him (even those that hate him can feel sad for him). In "Dude Relax", it was revealed that the animals in his circus would often abuse him as a baby, which was the reason why he's always paranoid and uptight. His team would also treat him like a joke sometimes, to the point of them wanting him to be replaced with either another leader or one of their own numbers committing mutiny. It could be justified due to his obnoxious behavior, but many felt that this kind of treatment he gets from his teammates is just plain miserable.  quote:"In-And-Out" It's not the lazy costumes of Starfire and Raven, no it's the unrepentant Jerk rear end behavior displayed. Robin comes in as Red X. Hey my favorite Character! Oh now he's beating up Mammoth... Well hopefully that isn't the- Oh hey Cyborg! Oh hey Stone! This should be cool someone to balance out Rob- And now he's beating up Mammoth... huh... Maybe, Hey The others! Silly costumes but this sh- Now they are all beating up Mammoth... Remind me why we are supposed to root for these characters again? This isn't Black Comedy or Comedic Sociopathy. This just isn't funny. Heck, Jinx starts crying and the HIVE shows genuine concern for Mammoth. quote:The less said about ''The Date'', the better. and yet if you go check the watchmen page they seem fine with villainous protagonists there?? hmmmm
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Sep 8, 2015 02:58
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Has there ever been a cartoon that got more hate for no reason, and who began to mock the people who hated them back as well? Surely there must be at least an old anime.
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Sep 8, 2015 04:01
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^ Neon Genesis Evangelion featured freeze frames of actual death threats the studio had gotten from pissed off fans in the final episodes. But that whole thing was kind of the product of a nervous breakdown on the creator's part and a serious case of running out of money.axleblaze posted:Still, there's no excuse for "think of the children" type arguments. Not only does does a single person on TVtropes not actually give a poo poo about children when it's with something they like, children are also way smarter than them in picking up things being not serious and perhaps even "jokes". *Sees Adventure Time crawl up its own rear end for the fourth year in a row* Kids aren't stupid. We need more cartoons like this. *Teen Titans Go makes a joke* KIDS ARE GOING TO TAKE THE WRONG MESSAGE FROM THIS.
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Waffleman_ posted:^ Neon Genesis Evangelion featured freeze frames of actual death threats the studio had gotten from pissed off fans in the final episodes. But that whole thing was kind of the product of a nervous breakdown on the creator's part and a serious case of running out of money. Yeah but that's regarded as a classic. The Haruhi anime aired the same script eight times in a row but has a huge retrospective thread in ADTRW right now. Meanwhile a children's show about waffles and cats is hated for literally false reasons.
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Anime fans are chill and don't really have the sense of unwarranted self-importance a lot of adult fans of western animation do.
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Batman Brave and the Bold was getting a lot of heat in its first season for many of the same reasons. Producers on TTG actually mentioned how they knew the fans were wrong because the stuff they were delivering with Batman was really close to what they wanted, even going as far as making a sequence that takes place in Comic Con to explain how the show truly is Batman and they would like it if they gave it a chance. For this show they decided to do the opposite in part because they got no chance of going under without the dumb nerd fanbase supporting them.
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This episode was fantastic, but I have to wonder if there's a single kid in its target demographic that would understand it at all.Waffleman_ posted:Anime fans are chill and don't really have the sense of unwarranted self-importance a lot of adult fans of western animation do.  best joke in this thread
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Sep 10, 2015 23:11
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That was an amazing episode. I will never get tired of watching Robin be a complete psychopath. Although I do wish they had made a joke about Terra, given the setting.
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TheFattestPat posted:That was an amazing episode. I will never get tired of watching Robin be a complete psychopath. The internet would have loving exploded in a nuclear blast. There are people who are still salty over that finale.
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Waffleman_ posted:The internet would have loving exploded in a nuclear blast. There are people who are still salty over that finale. Surly they would take it in stride and have a good laugh.
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TheFattestPat posted:Surly they would take it in stride and have a good laugh. I don't understand the reference here. But from the context still wish it had happened.
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MariusLecter posted:I don't understand the reference here. But from the context still wish it had happened. Basically, the last episode of Teen Titans had Beast Boy running into Terra, who is now living a normal life as a high school student and doesn't seem to know who Beast Boy is or wants anything to do with him. BB/Terra shippers flipped. I know of at least one guy who's written at least 5 fanfictions all about reversing that episode. I have stared into quite an abyss in my time.
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Sep 11, 2015 16:33
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It was a pretty subdued, mediocre story that was intended to be more of an epilogue rather than a finale (since the big Final Battle episode happened the week before). The idea was to make both comic purists and weird Beast Boy/Terra fans happy. The episode gets tons of credit for how insane it drove both sides though. Waffleman_ posted:Basically, the last episode of Teen Titans had Beast Boy running into Terra, who is now living a normal life as a high school student and doesn't seem to know who Beast Boy is or wants anything to do with him. BB/Terra shippers flipped. I know of at least one guy who's written at least 5 fanfictions all about reversing that episode.
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Sep 11, 2015 16:53
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Found this the other day. Apparently it was made by one of the shows artists.
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You know, I'm not going to lie; I never really liked Young Justice all that much, even the first season. I've never watched a show about young superheroes that was just so maudlin, I think the operative word I would use would be 'joyless'. Not to say that I don't like some brooding in my spandex-beatdown shows (I love B:TAS all to bits), but Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes (which was running at the same period of time) hit the mark much more cleanly for me despite being much more poorly animated and I guess technically being the worse show.
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I feel like TT GO is pretty insulting, but that's only because the first episode I saw was the Return of Slade, where it pissed on all the fans of the original cartoon, basically saying that they only liked it through nostalgia. I liked the old show, not because it was cool and edgy, but because it was so cheesy, and it taught great lessons like "Racism is bad, yo" or "Brits are assholes." It did take itself seriously, but it still had a lot of comedy value, except in some of the later episodes like the whole Terra/Slade thing that happened. It just feels like it's a parody of itself, with all the character's bad points being overly exaggerated, Raven being /enamored/ with ponies (But it is funny when Control Freak does it, because he's a neckbeard), and the gags can just be so expected. "Let's get serious!" and then everyone starts being really silly is an example of that, but a good example of the comedy, in my opinion, is like when BB and Cyborg make a door to nowhere, that Robin goes through, falling out of the tower. That kind of stuff makes me want to watch the show more, but there's so many bad ones like the waffles episode. spit on my clit fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Sep 15, 2015 |
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BillmasterCozb posted:I feel like TT GO is pretty insulting, but that's only because the first episode I saw was the Return of Slade, where it pissed on all the fans of the original cartoon, basically saying that they only liked it through nostalgia. I liked the old show, not because it was cool and edgy, but because it was so cheesy, and it taught great lessons like "Racism is bad, yo" or "Brits are assholes." It did take itself seriously, but it still had a lot of comedy value, except in some of the later episodes like the whole Terra/Slade thing that happened. Source quotes, plz
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BillmasterCozb posted:I feel like TT GO is pretty insulting, but that's only because the first episode I saw was the Return of Slade, where it pissed on all the fans of the original cartoon, basically saying that they only liked it through nostalgia. I liked the old show, not because it was cool and edgy, but because it was so cheesy, and it taught great lessons like "Racism is bad, yo" or "Brits are assholes." It did take itself seriously, but it still had a lot of comedy value, except in some of the later episodes like the whole Terra/Slade thing that happened. 
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MariusLecter posted:Source quotes, plz "Racism is bad, yo" is the moral of http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2k7bh9 "Brits are assholes" is the moral of the two Mad Mod episodes (But here's the links anyway because they're great http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2j35c1 http://findcartoon.com/teen-titans-110-detention-mad-mod/#.VfhGzZeImYE)
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That's not what he meant.
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BillmasterCozb posted:I feel like TT GO is pretty insulting, but that's only because the first episode I saw was the Return of Slade, where it pissed on all the fans of the original cartoon, basically saying that they only liked it through nostalgia. I liked the old show, not because it was cool and edgy, but because it was so cheesy, and it taught great lessons like "Racism is bad, yo" or "Brits are assholes." It did take itself seriously, but it still had a lot of comedy value, except in some of the later episodes like the whole Terra/Slade thing that happened. Raven liking ponies is like a meta joke with the VA since she does a voice on the-show-which-must-not-be-named, as well as like drat near everything else for that matter. This show also has morals like "Reading is bad" and "Watching TV is good" so clearly it's a fine, upstanding program 
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Sep 15, 2015 18:43
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It baffles me every time someone says the Waffles episode is lame because saying waffles over and over isn't funny. That's the point. Every single character is annoyed by the word waffles and tells BB and Cyborg so, up 'till they use it to defeat the bad guy, at which point BB and Cyborg are against Waffles because the rest of the team ruined it.
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raditts posted:That's not what he meant. This is a really good thread
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:It baffles me every time someone says the Waffles episode is lame because saying waffles over and over isn't funny. That's the point. Every single character is annoyed by the word waffles and tells BB and Cyborg so, up 'till they use it to defeat the bad guy, at which point BB and Cyborg are against Waffles because the rest of the team ruined it. So..the episode isn't funny, which is the joke, which is supposed to make it funny? That sounds like such a long shot to go for one joke, when it still ends up falling flat at the end.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-humor
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It's funny how annoyed everyone gets at Waffles (in episode) and how much the villain, who can easily destroy the titans at that point, hates Waffles so bad he resorts to torture to shut them up and it still doesn't work. It's not until the other Titans embrace Waffles that BB and Cyborg start hating on the word. Saying waffles over and over again isn't the funny, the funny is everyone's reaction to it, and the funny is the point of the episode because the funny is where the jokes come from.
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Yeah, people always treat Waffles like it's monkey cheese humor episode but the humor from the episode is never focused on how wacky the word is but rather how much it annoys everyone around them, the many ways in which they manage to still interact and are misunderstood and the lengths they are willing to go to keep up the bit until the second the people they were trying to annoy embrace it. It's not about random humor, it's, like many TTG episodes, about the characters being dicks to an extreme degree.
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BillmasterCozb posted:So..the episode isn't funny, which is the joke, which is supposed to make it funny? That sounds like such a long shot to go for one joke, when it still ends up falling flat at the end. Waffles! / 
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ManlyGrunting posted:You know, I'm not going to lie; I never really liked Young Justice all that much, even the first season. I've never watched a show about young superheroes that was just so maudlin, I think the operative word I would use would be 'joyless'. Not to say that I don't like some brooding in my spandex-beatdown shows (I love B:TAS all to bits), but Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes (which was running at the same period of time) hit the mark much more cleanly for me despite being much more poorly animated and I guess technically being the worse show. Its kind of funny how tonally opposite DC and Marvel are right now in their material and franchises throughout the media as for every Avengers Mightiest Heroes, Guardians of the Galaxy and Agents of Shield you have Beware the Batman, Batman Versus "DO YOU BLEED" Superman and Gotham: Rise of Villains. There are certain successes and failures across the board, but it feels like more often than not any levity from DC/WB's side these days comes by on accident or because not even they can grimdark poo poo like LEGO or GO's self mocking obsession to lampoon nerds that want everything super serious that they don't accept Brave and the Bold. And maybe part of the problem is that currently WB at large can only do Batman right these days.
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So what would you guys say is your favorite episode, mine is probably a tie between Oil Drums and Leg Day as both are absolutely hilarious episodes also this show is going to cause a bunch of kids this generation to develop some interesting kinks when they get older, I can already tell
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drrockso20 posted:So what would you guys say is your favorite episode, mine is probably a tie between Oil Drums and Leg Day as both are absolutely hilarious episodes The cycle has been going on for as long as animation exists Perv gets gig in animation thing > Perv decides to throw in a few kinky stuff and everyone just nods along because they are into it also > Children see this stuff and just take it for normal > Kids grow up and get into that stuff that started as innocent cartoon jokes > they join the animation industry and the cosmic ballet goes on
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ManlyGrunting posted:You know, I'm not going to lie; I never really liked Young Justice all that much, even the first season. I've never watched a show about young superheroes that was just so maudlin, I think the operative word I would use would be 'joyless'. Not to say that I don't like some brooding in my spandex-beatdown shows (I love B:TAS all to bits), but Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes (which was running at the same period of time) hit the mark much more cleanly for me despite being much more poorly animated and I guess technically being the worse show. Young Justice was kind of weird because they tried to do serious and mix in a little comedy but they didn't mix well at all, and the comedy wasn't even very good, which just made things stand out worse. Like, I could go on a big rant about YJ's failed potential, but this isn't the thread for that. Anyway. drrockso20 posted:So what would you guys say is your favorite episode, mine is probably a tie between Oil Drums and Leg Day as both are absolutely hilarious episodes Return of Slade easily, just because putting aside the first couple of minutes as a great troll, the whole episode actually works as a kind of deep criticism of nostalgia in general. I mean, the clown can be taken as a metaphor most obviously for the original Teen Titans, but you can basically use it as a metaphor for any sort of children's entertainment. We want to remember old shows as loving amazing because everything was better when we were 12 when really they were just okay. Oh, and Robin punches through a TV at the start of the episode to announce a crime alert. That's pretty great.
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drrockso20 posted:So what would you guys say is your favorite episode I hugely enjoy most episodes, but Starfire the Terrible is still my favourite.
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My favorite episode so far is probably Cool School, though I also really like Colors of Raven, Books, Friendship, Yearbook Madness and Burger vs Burrito.
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