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flakeloaf posted:Why do people insist on not shipping to Canada? Because the Great White North is scary. Winter is coming, you don't want to be North of the Wall when it comes. You can probably use a courier service to get stuff across the border, might be worth it if you're buying a bunch.
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Maybe but that's too much like work so I just said screw it and ordered a bunch of these Seagate ST3000VN000s intead.
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Sep 16, 2015 16:32
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Shaocaholica posted:A seller on eBay just accepted my offer of $200(each) for some new 8tb seagate archive drives. Hope that was a good price. Goddamn. Aren't those kinda slow, though, even compared to Reds?
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Sep 16, 2015 16:46
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They're slow, but that's (relatively) fine for write once, read infrequently type applications.
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Sep 16, 2015 23:10
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Those 8tb Seagates are great for bulk storage, especially at $200. In terms of NAS use the only time their slow speed might be an issue would be if you had several people all trying to stream data off of the drive concurrently. For most home NASs where you have 1-2 people accessing it at a time they're perfectly fine.
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Sep 16, 2015 23:26
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Krailor posted:Those 8tb Seagates are great for bulk storage, especially at $200. The seller was actually accepting $175 for them if you buy 4+ YMMV http://www.ebay.com/itm/271973046337 I ended up getting 5 but not before I found out how low this guy was willing to go. They must of fallen off a truck or something.
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Sep 17, 2015 00:26
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Those Toshiba 5TB look like a bargain? Am I missing something? I've needed to upgrade my WD 2TBs. I was originally going to wait until Black Friday/Cyber Monday. Any reason I shouldn't jump on this?
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spoon daddy posted:Those Toshiba 5TB look like a bargain? Am I missing something? I've needed to upgrade my WD 2TBs. I was originally going to wait until Black Friday/Cyber Monday. Any reason I shouldn't jump on this? The one year warranty is worrying, but I have a couple of toshiba drives that have been excellent.
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Sep 17, 2015 03:31
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spoon daddy posted:Those Toshiba 5TB look like a bargain? Am I missing something? I've needed to upgrade my WD 2TBs. I was originally going to wait until Black Friday/Cyber Monday. Any reason I shouldn't jump on this? They have the lowest $/gb of any drive on PCPartpicker. Edit: ^ odd, Amazon lists a 1yr warranty but it's listed as 3yr on Newegg. But if you can get those 8tb for under $200 I'd be tempted to go that route instead. Krailor fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Sep 17, 2015 |
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Sep 17, 2015 03:31
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What are you folks doing with these 8tb drives? The rebuild time on any array has to be insane.
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Sep 17, 2015 15:06
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seagate + 8TB scares the poo poo out of me.. good luck fellas!
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Sep 17, 2015 15:32
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Seagate hasn't been bad, overall, other than the 3TB drives.
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Sep 17, 2015 16:49
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G-Prime posted:Seagate hasn't been bad, overall, other than the 3TB drives.  gently caress man don't do this to meSeriously though, got a source on what the issue might be?
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Weren't the 3tb drives ones that were shucked at backblaze that the stats come from?
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Essentially all of the Seagate and 3tb drive hate boils down to the fact that Seagate had some QC issues right after the Tsunami that hit Thailand in late 2011. All the data stems from the failure rates reported by Backblaze. The large majority of the drives they saw issues with were purchased in early/mid 2012 which means they were manufactured right after the tsunami. If you take those specific drives out of the equation then everything else is within a few percentage points of each other. Unless you're buying 100s or 1000s of drives, like Backblaze does, then those stats shouldn't really affect your buying decision. What you should be looking for is $/GB ratio. Lets take a look at 4tb drives advertised for NAS use; Seagates run about $140, WD Reds are $150, and HGST are $170. The failure rates reported by Backblaze are: Seagate 3% WD 1.75% HGST 1.25% Yes, the Seagates have a higher failure rate but the difference between the best and worst is less than 2 percentage points. Is that really worth the 20% increase in cost between the Seagate and HGST drive? I don't think so.
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B-B-B-B-UT IT'S TWICE AS LIKELY TO FAIL Yeah I don't think I care too much about a bunch of faulty drives from four years ago boosting failure rates to a whopping different single digit.
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Moey posted:What are you folks doing with these 8tb drives? The rebuild time on any array has to be insane. 4k footage for work. At UHD res and 16bit depth and 24fps you're looking at 5-6TB of compressed tiffs for a 90minute feature mono only. Double it for stereo. The seagates are just for small 4-5 bay DAS devices to shuttle material between vendors and what not. The actual backend storage is much more robust that I don't manage.
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Sep 17, 2015 18:33
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Found these real cheap: Seagate 4TB 2.5" single drive 15mm high $159 shipped  http://www.ebay.com/itm/161821659087 Some random seller on ebay but the package I got in the mail was from Best Buy, free shipping no tax. Best buy front?
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Sep 17, 2015 19:06
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Shaocaholica posted:Found these real cheap:
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Sep 17, 2015 19:53
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I'm having a problem with my FreeNAS box - it's hosting an NFS share that I can access from other computers, but when I try to connect to it through Partimage it says "SMB/NFS mount output: [ ]", doesn't give an error, and then restarts the wizard. It seems to be a problem with the FreeNAS configuration since Partimage connects just fine to other NFS shares on the network. Is this the right place to post this problem, or do I need to go somewhere else?
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Sep 17, 2015 19:56
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Josh Lyman posted:This is 2x2TB 2.5" drives in RAID. Why would you buy that? It's not. http://www.anandtech.com/show/9489/seagate-backup-plus-portable-4tb-usb-30-drive-review Similar outer casing but check the name. The 2x is the 'fast'. This is the 'plus'
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Sep 17, 2015 21:15
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RyuHimora posted:I'm having a problem with my FreeNAS box - it's hosting an NFS share that I can access from other computers, but when I try to connect to it through Partimage it says "SMB/NFS mount output: [ ]", doesn't give an error, and then restarts the wizard. It seems to be a problem with the FreeNAS configuration since Partimage connects just fine to other NFS shares on the network. Does FreeNAS log a failed mount attempt? What are the computers that successfully mount NFS exports running?
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thebigcow posted:Does FreeNAS log a failed mount attempt? What are the computers that successfully mount NFS exports running? I'm mounting it successfully on Debian 8, Ubuntu 14.04, and the latest XenServer. Which log do I need to look at to see mount attempts? I can't seem to find it in /var/log.
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RyuHimora posted:I'm mounting it successfully on Debian 8, Ubuntu 14.04, and the latest XenServer. Which log do I need to look at to see mount attempts? I can't seem to find it in /var/log. I'll try to remember at work tomorrow, but iirc it just spewed it to the console when I was fat fingering mount points.
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thebigcow posted:I'll try to remember at work tomorrow, but iirc it just spewed it to the console when I was fat fingering mount points. Fat fingering the mount point just results in an instant fail and an actual error for me, and I don't see anything in the console.
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Sep 19, 2015 13:59
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How does warranty work with purchasing new hard drives off Ebay... do they just go off the manufacture date when RMA'ing?
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Shaocaholica posted:Found these real cheap: You can buy it from the actual Best Buy ebay storefront for the same price at the moment. Not sure why BB would operate a second account like that. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Seagate-Bac...821659087&rt=nc
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spoon daddy posted:Those Toshiba 5TB look like a bargain? Am I missing something? I've needed to upgrade my WD 2TBs. I was originally going to wait until Black Friday/Cyber Monday. Any reason I shouldn't jump on this? http://www.amazon.com/review/R33XKY...#wasThisHelpful  I'm not sure if they're great for NAS other the impressive price (which counts for a lot, don't get me wrong), but they look really, really great for desktop use. Of course, breaking them out of the case totally voids the warranty, but getting a 5TB 7200RPM drive for less than the cost of a 4TB WD Red seems very worth it. Interestingly, the same drive without the external enclosure is sold for $40 more on the American Amazon site. EDIT: forget what I said about NAS use, a RAID5 with three of these babies costs $50 more than two WD Reds. That's gonna erase any reliability concerns, I think. The voided warranty's expected value comes down to, let's be exceedingly pessimistic and say a 3% failure rate entirely within the first three years... $4.5. You still come out way ahead. So that leaves what, noise and power consumption as possible NAS concerns? NihilCredo fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Sep 20, 2015 |
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I have a few of those Toshiba 5tb kicking around in desktops and they've been fine so far (6+ mos). When I get around to setting up my NAS I was just going to start by repurposing a few
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Sep 21, 2015 15:47
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 Seagate 8TB drives arrived. Let's see how well they work. Light workload. Basically write big data once, read big data maybe 3 times.
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I've got a weird issue with a synology ds15something that I was hoping someone here could help with. It can be seen properly and all the shares can be mounted on any of a bunch of Mac devices, but I've tried 2 different windows machines (running 8 and 10) and while I'm able to see it listed in other devices when I'm viewing the network in Explorer, it doesn't show up as a computer and I can't mount any drives. Clicking on it just brings me to the Web UI, which I have admin credentials on. It is set to share on Windows file service. I have a ds415+ at home that as far as I can tell is set up identically with no problems. The only thing I can think of is that it's still on dsm4.3 because the business owner is paranoid of updating, but I don't really see that suddenly letting it share properly with a Windows computer. I can try to add a network locations of \\nas\foldername, and it tells me that no such location exists. Edit: Ignore this, it's working fine today. 
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This is from this year: https://www.backblaze.com/blog/best-hard-drive/ Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 1.5TB 31.68% failure rate Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 3TB 26.65% failure rate Those are by far the worst. Just get HGST!
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Those were shucked drives right?
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One of the four three-gig Barracudas I just got failed its WinDLG extended test.  That's what RMAs are for.
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redeyes posted:This is from this year: https://www.backblaze.com/blog/best-hard-drive/ What I find most interesting about the data is the trends they present lower down, particularily how certain HGST drives get slightly higher failure rates as time passes, whereas others get slightly lower failure rates. Of course, it's probably not very easy to tell exactly the cause of this, as there are a lot of variables.
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Don Lapre posted:Those were shucked drives right? At this point they shouldn't be but I don't know.
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D. Ebdrup posted:It's worth mentioning that the 24/7 enterprise workload Backblaze uses those disks for are probably not what most companies would've recommended you use them for.
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redeyes posted:At this point they shouldn't be but I don't know. My point mostly is that Seagate put out some really, really lovely drives, but most of their other ones aren't terribly worse than HGST, and a lot of them actually show as better than Western Digital, if you're just using BackBlaze's numbers. And that's despite the Seagate drives being "plain old desktop" drives vs NAS-specific drives. DrDork fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Sep 27, 2015 |
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Combat Pretzel posted:Then again, since Seagate still parks the heads on platter, making their drives spin up and down isn't exactly advantageous for longevity. Citation needed. Pretty sure they have load/unload ramps like everyone else.
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Everyone's 3TB multiple drives are worth avoiding is what I'd summarize statistics as. It's why it's taken me so long to upgrade my 8x2TB array from years ago. If the flooding had never happened drives should have had a much better cost efficiency than they are now and instead of $80 4TB like they should have hit by now, they're in roughly the $125 neighborhood. The whole "NAS-optimized" industry trend didn't help keep prices down either. It's exasperating trying to be cost effective about these things but it sure beats trying to put 12 TB of random crap in a cloud storage provider's pay-as-you-go storage plans. I'm not paying the cost of my array itself per month to have someone else take care of it and be limited by my crappy home internet bandwidth.
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