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Radio Spiricom
Aug 17, 2009

Linnaeus posted:

here's for the koizumi lovers



this sequence is very obviously cribbed from ozu's late spring in case anyone didn't know

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdSp5kP8Edg

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StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

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Spiritus Nox posted:

gently caress I've enjoyed this simulwatch though. It's a drat shame people who haven't watched Haruhi seem to see it as the archetypical soulless high-school antics show - or at least, I did before the simulwatch. Because, goddamn, this show and especially this movie are any-loving-thing but soulless.

The impression I got having watched only the first season was a fun little comedy/sci-fi/drama/school mashup thing with good production values, that worked pretty well as a self-contained unit. With S2 and the movie, they're doing something quite a bit more ambitious - I haven't watched Endless Eight yet, but the rest of S2 + the movie really felt like they belonged together as part of some larger self-referential (thanks to all the time travel) narrative.

Allarion
May 16, 2009

がんばルビ!
Well, just reread it myself since it's unlikely we'll ever see future Kyon's perspective animated. Yeah, Nagato healed the stab wounds if anyone needed confirmation, as well as setting up the scenario where Kyon hit his head since he was comatose from blood loss.

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Spiritus Nox posted:

gently caress I've enjoyed this simulwatch though. It's a drat shame people who haven't watched Haruhi seem to see it as the archetypical soulless high-school antics show - or at least, I did before the simulwatch. Because, goddamn, this show and especially this movie are any-loving-thing but soulless.

I have to get all my friends to watch it now, this show is too good to not be seen by people.

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

VostokProgram posted:

I have to get all my friends to watch it now, this show is too good to not be seen by people.

Yeah!

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

This was the first anime I ever watched, and I have since gone on to share it with all of my normie friends and nobody has ever disliked it. It's a powerful show and a good proof of concept for people to realize that anime isn't just for fetishistic wish fulfillment, as it so often is represented to the foreign consumer!

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Feb 6, 2007

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Also, the good production values I mentioned? It goes without saying, but they're totally off the deep end here. They put a lot of work into this.

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

still humming the credits song to myself

Linnaeus
Jan 2, 2013

Zas posted:

still humming the credits song to myself

Spiritus Nox
Sep 2, 2011

I'm rewatching the climax just to chew on it a bit, and...well, it's always harder to tell when you don't understand the language being spoken, but the delivery on Kyon's monologue really seems fantastic. When he's approaching Yuki just after she's done the rewrite, and thinking through everything that's led to that point, his performance just seems to have so much compassion to it. "Bug? Error? Not a chance." I'm straight tearing up.

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Feb 6, 2007

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I wasn't simul-ing anymore so I didn't post about it, but the battle inside Kyon's head is an incredible scene.

Linnaeus
Jan 2, 2013

StandardVC10 posted:

I wasn't simul-ing anymore so I didn't post about it, but the battle inside Kyon's head is an incredible scene.

it's my favorite scene in the series :D

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

StandardVC10 posted:

and what was that scene at the end supposed to tell me?

you mean the post credits thing? pretty sure she tried smiling :) after she saw the one kid helping the other one out with the library card (like kyon did with her)

of course, it's ambiguous.....

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Feb 6, 2007

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The colors of the kids' hair made me think of Tsuruya and Mikuru.

Radio Spiricom
Aug 17, 2009

StandardVC10 posted:

Okay, two questions: where did hospital bed Kyon come from, and what was that scene at the end supposed to tell me?

as above but i think pretty much any interpretation you can come to of those scenes is valid because i think they operate more on a level of feeling than on a level of explanation - there's no right answer

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

Radio Spiricom posted:

first order of business is that i want everyone who hasnt to watch la jetee

I'm gonna

Allarion
May 16, 2009

がんばルビ!

StandardVC10 posted:

The impression I got having watched only the first season was a fun little comedy/sci-fi/drama/school mashup thing with good production values, that worked pretty well as a self-contained unit. With S2 and the movie, they're doing something quite a bit more ambitious - I haven't watched Endless Eight yet, but the rest of S2 + the movie really felt like they belonged together as part of some larger self-referential (thanks to all the time travel) narrative.

It's why I'm hesitant on a S3 because it does move further away from the school hyjinx that's core in the first two seasons, as it starts exploring the world outside the SoS Brigade. That said, the next big SoS brigade event does end in a very nice climactic heartwarming way as Haruhi would do it, so that's still around, if less prevalent. Thinking about it, I'd argue it's the short story compilations that give a lot of life to the Haruhi series, and he hasn't done one ever since he went for the big arcs unfortunately.

Linnaeus
Jan 2, 2013

Radio Spiricom posted:

these backgrounds are basically photorealistic lol

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Yes_Cantaloupe posted:

Gah, Kyon taking forever to figure out that something's wrong and maybe he shouldn't scream his thoughts at people is hard to watch. Beautiful lighting, though.

BTW, this was totally correct. That part got pretty rough, although it somehow managed to keep up a sense of progress regardless.

AnoHito
May 8, 2014

Oh god more than 600 posts...

Anyway, I am always surprised at how great disappearance is no matter how many times I see it. Thanks to this thread for giving me an excuse to watch it and the rest of Haruhi again.

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Can someone confirm if my timeline of events is correct?

Kyon Prime and Future Mikuru go to shoot Alternate Yuki. Kyon gets stabbed. Just as he's about to get killed, some version of Yuki intercedes, and presumably kills/incapacitates Ryoko. Then two versions of Mikuru cry over him as he "dies". One is the Future Mikuru that escorted him to this time, and the other is probably Post-Disappearance Mikuru that escorted Post-Disappearance Kyon to this time. Post-Disappearance Kyon picks up the gun and delivers his badass lines. I guess he then shoots Alternate Yuki to finish the job. Then Kyon Prime wakes up in the hospital. Post-Disappearance Yuki heals his wounds and sets him up to fall from the stairs on the 18th, possibly acting on her own but probably on Post-Disappearance Kyon's orders.

Here's the part that I don't get: Kyon Prime has no recollection of offering to be a reindeer, or walking down that flight of stairs. He spent the 18th in the alternate reality made by Yuki. So there must have been a stand-in who fell down the flight of stairs and was rushed to the hospital. How was Kyon Prime "merged" into this Kyon? That's never happened at any other point in the show, I don't think.

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

In Training posted:

This was the first anime I ever watched, and I have since gone on to share it with all of my normie friends and nobody has ever disliked it. It's a powerful show and a good proof of concept for people to realize that anime isn't just for fetishistic wish fulfillment, as it so often is represented to the foreign consumer!

anime about wish fulfillment > wish fulfillment anime

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

Honestly, I've seen the movie 7 or 8 times and never thought about it.

Allarion
May 16, 2009

がんばルビ!

VostokProgram posted:

Can someone confirm if my timeline of events is correct?

Kyon Prime and Future Mikuru go to shoot Alternate Yuki. Kyon gets stabbed. Just as he's about to get killed, some version of Yuki intercedes, and presumably kills/incapacitates Ryoko. Then two versions of Mikuru cry over him as he "dies". One is the Future Mikuru that escorted him to this time, and the other is probably Post-Disappearance Mikuru that escorted Post-Disappearance Kyon to this time. Post-Disappearance Kyon picks up the gun and delivers his badass lines. I guess he then shoots Alternate Yuki to finish the job. Then Kyon Prime wakes up in the hospital. Post-Disappearance Yuki heals his wounds and sets him up to fall from the stairs on the 18th, possibly acting on her own but probably on Post-Disappearance Kyon's orders.

Here's the part that I don't get: Kyon Prime has no recollection of offering to be a reindeer, or walking down that flight of stairs. He spent the 18th in the alternate reality made by Yuki. So there must have been a stand-in who fell down the flight of stairs and was rushed to the hospital. How was Kyon Prime "merged" into this Kyon? That's never happened at any other point in the show, I don't think.

Yeah, that's pretty correct for the most part. Yuki brought comatose Kyon Prime back and pushed him down the stairs.

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

The nitty-gritty how isn't as important as the result. Kyon has realized his supernatural power, placing himself firmly in the SOS Brigade. It's just that his super power is loving Haruhi

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A theme I noticed in season 1 was Haruhi searching for recognition - from Kyon in particular, but also from the world generally, as seen in Live Alive. It feels a bit like the movie has a lot to do with Yuki's seeking recognition also. Or maybe that's not the right way to put it, but Kyon realizes what she might be feeling and speaks to her more emotionally than he usually does on the hospital roof.

Linnaeus
Jan 2, 2013

In Training posted:

It's just that his super power is loving Haruhi

who doesn't

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

Zas posted:

anime about wish fulfillment > wish fulfillment anime

I've got ryoko's voice echoing in my head 'it's what you wished for' now

e: i mean i dont cause i dont know what that is in japanese but you know what i mean

Linnaeus
Jan 2, 2013

help i'm at 35 gifs and only through half the movie

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

Linnaeus posted:

help i'm at 35 gifs and only through half the movie

:worship:

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

Linnaeus posted:

help i'm at 35 gifs and only through half the movie

the gift, the curse

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

In Training posted:

The nitty-gritty how isn't as important as the result. Kyon has realized his supernatural power, placing himself firmly in the SOS Brigade. It's just that his super power is loving Haruhi


I'm not too worried about it. The only reason I brought it up is that every other time I thought they would "merge" characters like that, they didn't and instead did a cool workaround, like having Kyon and Mikuru in Yuki's apartment for three years. I was mostly wondering if there's a similarly cool explanation for what happens to the Kyon that existed a second before Yuki put Kyon Prime in his place at the top of the stairs.

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

I only have one gif written down to make...Kyon running his fingers over Haruhi's lips in the hospital

Agronox
Feb 4, 2005
It is kind of sad though that apart from spinoffs this is probably always going to be the end of the series. Feels like, all together, they're still just approaching the midpoint of a much larger story.

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Agronox posted:

It is kind of sad though that apart from spinoffs this is probably always going to be the end of the series. Feels like, all together, they're still just approaching the midpoint of a much larger story.

I can't help but feel the story is pretty large as it is.

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

VostokProgram posted:

I'm not too worried about it. The only reason I brought it up is that every other time I thought they would "merge" characters like that, they didn't and instead did a cool workaround, like having Kyon and Mikuru in Yuki's apartment for three years. I was mostly wondering if there's a similarly cool explanation for what happens to the Kyon that existed a second before Yuki put Kyon Prime in his place at the top of the stairs.

It's my understanding that all of those characters continue to exist in the LNs, and they interact with the original cast in later stories. Readers could correct me though, that's only secondhand knowledge on my part.

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

I think it's a good end. Kyon's discovered his true place in the universe, all is well with the world.

Allarion
May 16, 2009

がんばルビ!

VostokProgram posted:

I'm not too worried about it. The only reason I brought it up is that every other time I thought they would "merge" characters like that, they didn't and instead did a cool workaround, like having Kyon and Mikuru in Yuki's apartment for three years. I was mostly wondering if there's a similarly cool explanation for what happens to the Kyon that existed a second before Yuki put Kyon Prime in his place at the top of the stairs.

It's somewhat vague to be honest. Like I said, Itsuki has another of his fun speculations about it. He's also gotten into the habit of drawing diagrams for everything now.

Linnaeus
Jan 2, 2013

In Training posted:

I only have one gif written down to make...Kyon running his fingers over Haruhi's lips in the hospital

if you can get a non lovely gif of the night city flyover that'd be great

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Allarion posted:

It's somewhat vague to be honest. Like I said, Itsuki has another of his fun speculations about it. He's also gotten into the habit of drawing diagrams for everything now.

Drawing diagrams seems like a good habit to get into when you're dealing with multi-level time travel plots.

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