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Gianthogweed
Jun 3, 2004

"And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.

Gimmedaroot posted:

That is pretty much last year's setlist, with the exception of the addition of Easy Money, The Court of the Crimson King, and Epitaph. That's because they played two tracks from Scarcity of Miracles, which were better than the album. Last year's US tour was loving mind blowing. They weren't as tight as the Thrak show I saw in 95, but they had been playing together for over a year at that point as well. Last year they were still in the first month of their tour, but it was still amazing. The 2008 brief tour proved it was time to turn the page on the Belew years. The current lineup has mellotrons, and the third time seeing drummer/keyboardist Bill Reiflin after seeing him in Ministry and REM in the 90s.

I can't wait to hear the new stuff with the three drummers since Gavin was the only drummer on the Scarcity of Miracles album. Its nice to see a band of that caliber in a venue made for, you know, live music...theaters that fit 2500 people with great acoustics. The 3 times I've seen them were always like that, and so much nicer than the big Yes and Pink Floyd monster shows I've seen. You could hear a loving pin drop during the quiet moments, and there were NO smartphones blocking my view.

I saw King Crimson on their Thrak tour and it was sick. I remember being blown away as I was expecting to hear a good chunk of older material mixed in with a bit of stuff from the new album like you would expect to hear from most bands their age. But aside form Larks pt. 2, The Talking Drum and Red, there was nothing from before 1981. It was all Belew era King Crimson and it was all pretty heavy stuff. You could tell they were just as influenced by prog metal bands like Tool as prog metal bands like Tool were influenced by them.

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As for ABWH, seeing that show was worth it because I was getting into KC at the same time...must have been because of that Bruford guy I liked so much. I remembered thinking: "wait, Yes?? As in, the "Owner of a Lonely Band"? That song was worn out in the 80s, and to hear Close to the Edge for the first time, from ABWH live, was incredible to say the least. And with Tony Levin from KC on bass? If you gotta replace Squire, Levin is hard to argue against.

When the Union tour came around two years later, the crowd was divided between ABWH and Trevor Rabin fans. The Rabin fans got the wind knocked out of them when the entire lineup played "Awaken". Those 15 minute long songs didn't seem so weird anymore. The fact that the Talk tour flopped was very telling...when everyone found out Bruford, Wakeman and Howe weren't coming back, fans overall, including all of the Rabin fans at the Union show, stayed at home. Empty seats at the Philly Spectrum, known for their Yes fanatics? I was pissed about the return of the 80s lineup because I wanted to hear a TRUE Yes 8-man collaboration on album, but happy to hear Bruford had rejoined Crimson and I'd finally get to see them. So that Thrak box set is gonna get some serious play from me when that poo poo comes out.

Yes really missed an opportunity with Union. Sure the album was a bit of a disappointment, but it really wasn't that bad. And, really who cares about the album, it's the tour that everyone wanted to see, and that kicked all sorts of rear end. They were selling out really large venues and people were really taking notice of them again. There was a real momentum there. They had the opportunity to follow it up with something great and do another kickass tour, but they futzed around releasing cash grabs like the box set "Yesyears" and "Symphonic Music of Yes" before finally breaking up in 1994. Yes had lost all the steam and momentum they had built up with Union and had fallen apart. Yes was never that popular again. And it's too bad because "Talk" was actually a drat good album.

Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Sep 1, 2015

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Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there
Look who showed up to the first UK KC concert... pic courtesy of TL.

Noise Machine
Dec 3, 2005

Today is a good day to save.


No photo proof, but apparently Kate Bush was there as well!

SgtScruffy
Dec 27, 2003

Babies.


Man, KC haven't played In The Court of the Crimson King since 1971? drat, I had no idea

Gianthogweed
Jun 3, 2004

"And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.

SgtScruffy posted:

Man, KC haven't played In The Court of the Crimson King since 1971? drat, I had no idea

Didn't they play it with Boz on vox in 1972?

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

:qq: I LOVE TWO AND HALF MEN!! YOU 20 SOMETHINGS ARE JUST TOO CYNICAL TO UNDERSTAND IT!!:qq:
The Ladies of the Road set has a snippet of "In the Court" played as blues - quite interesting. May have been done as a joke though ;)

DaWolfey
Oct 25, 2003

College Slice
There is now an official Progressive Rock Album Chart in the UK!

Here's the very first one:

1.Tame Impala - Currents
2.Muse - Drones
3.Roger Waters - Amused To Death
4.Joe Satriani - Shockwave Supernova
5.Public Service Broadcasting - The Race For Space
6.Faith No More - Sol Invictus
7.Symphony X - Underworld
8.Pink Floyd - The Endless River
9.Tim Bowness - Stupid Things That Mean The World
10.Nightwish - Endless Forms Most Beautiful


They also compiled a chart for "Progressive Album Chart of the 21st Century":

1.Muse - Black Holes & Revelations
2.Pink Floyd - The Dark Side Of the Moon
3.Radiohead - OK Computer
4.Kate Bush - Aerial
5.Jeff Wayne - The War Of The Worlds
6.Air - Moon Safari
7.Sigur Ros - Takk
8.Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells
9.Genesis - Selling England By The Pound
10.Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots

I am not sure why Air is there for Prog Rock? or Sigur Ros?

hexwren
Feb 27, 2008

DaWolfey posted:

3.Roger Waters - Amused To Death

What? Did this just get rereleased or someting?

Also

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1.Muse - Black Holes & Revelations
2.Pink Floyd - The Dark Side Of the Moon
3.Radiohead - OK Computer
4.Kate Bush - Aerial
5.Jeff Wayne - The War Of The Worlds
6.Air - Moon Safari
7.Sigur Ros - Takk
8.Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells
9.Genesis - Selling England By The Pound
10.Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots

That had better be an overall sales chart from the last 15 years, or else

1. Okay
2. Are you kidding me
3. 90s as hell
4. Sure
5. Get hosed
6. So 90s it's wearing airwalks and jncos
7. Reasonable
8. Noooooooope
9. Double nooooooooope
10. Soft Bulletin was better

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I am not sure why Air is there for Prog Rock? or Sigur Ros?

Eh. People don't mind Tangerine Dream, Mike Oldfield or other outliers being part of the discussion, these are the modern equivalents. I feel Sigur Ros could definitely be argued for straight-up inclusion in the genre, alongside post-rock acts like GYBE and EITS.

Gianthogweed
Jun 3, 2004

"And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.
Post Rock is probably the closest thing that you could call "modern prog rock" when you compare it to a lot of the other stuff that gets the label nowadays.

Gianthogweed
Jun 3, 2004

"And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.

Allen Wren posted:

What? Did this just get rereleased or someting?

Also


That had better be an overall sales chart from the last 15 years, or else

1. Okay
2. Are you kidding me
3. 90s as hell
4. Sure
5. Get hosed
6. So 90s it's wearing airwalks and jncos
7. Reasonable
8. Noooooooope
9. Double nooooooooope
10. Soft Bulletin was better


Eh. People don't mind Tangerine Dream, Mike Oldfield or other outliers being part of the discussion, these are the modern equivalents. I feel Sigur Ros could definitely be argued for straight-up inclusion in the genre, alongside post-rock acts like GYBE and EITS.

I have a feeling they're including re-masters that came out recently in that list. Yeah it's lovely, but it sells.

hexwren
Feb 27, 2008

Gianthogweed posted:

I have a feeling they're including re-masters that came out recently in that list. Yeah it's lovely, but it sells.

Remasters, gently caress, right. I'm an idiot.

Noise Machine
Dec 3, 2005

Today is a good day to save.


Well, I think the most important question to ask since they're doing "Easy Money" now is...does Jakko sing the infamous alternate second verse? I've listened to so many live gigs that it throws me when I listen to the recorded version.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012

Gianthogweed posted:

Post Rock is probably the closest thing that you could call "modern prog rock" when you compare it to a lot of the other stuff that gets the label nowadays.

I don't think post-rock has the same level of technicality and compositional density as golden-age prog. With the mathier stuff like Oceansize you could maybe make that argument, but they've got very different approaches.

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Allen Wren posted:

Eh. People don't mind Tangerine Dream, Mike Oldfield or other outliers being part of the discussion, these are the modern equivalents. I feel Sigur Ros could definitely be argued for straight-up inclusion in the genre, alongside post-rock acts like GYBE and EITS.

Sigur Ros - totally agree, in fact a lot of what is currently called "post rock" could be argued to be a modern evolution of progressive rock to some extent (it's certainly more progressive than the bands that just try to copy the sound of Yes in 1972 over and over again)

but Air? I like them a lot but they aren't any kind of modern equivalent of tangerine dream, their music is spacey lounge stuff that, although it uses more modern instrumentation, is largely a throwback to a 70's vibe - they aren't trying to explore any kind of new musical territory at all. They are good at what they do but they aren't progressive. Tangerine Dream were far more exploratory and different than what had come before.

Gamma Nerd posted:

I don't think post-rock has the same level of technicality and compositional density as golden-age prog

It certainly has the compositional density. As for technicality, it should not be a defining factor of any genre, since it's primary effect is to ruin perfectly good music. Golden age prog (or a portion of it, rather) is usually enjoyable in spite of the overly technical displays of the musicians involved, not because of them, and a hell of a lot of it could be substantially improved by removing the solos (not Wakeman's though!) and some of the other pointlessly show-offy bits. A focus on technicality and compositional density results in garbage like Dream Theatre.




Earwicker fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Sep 5, 2015

Punch Card
Sep 13, 2005

by Ralp
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hexwren
Feb 27, 2008



Oh.



In other news, I named my fantasy football team Edelman, Luck & Plummer because I like music nerd gags.

Punch Card
Sep 13, 2005

by Ralp
Yeah I know, I had to shake out the sillies.

Anyway, if I had to listen to one prog song on repeat on a desert island or what have you, it'd almost definitely be KC's Epitaph, even if the original version could've been mixed a bit better. In a better world, that song would have approached Stairway to Heaven in terms of mass popularity.

il_cornuto
Oct 10, 2004

Punch Card posted:

Anyway, if I had to listen to one prog song on repeat on a desert island or what have you, it'd almost definitely be KC's Epitaph, even if the original version could've been mixed a bit better. In a better world, that song would have approached Stairway to Heaven in terms of mass popularity.

This but Starless.

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!
The Pope has announced a prog rock album.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/pope-francis-to-release-pop-rock-album-wake-up-20150925

I'm not too much into Italian prog scene, but the single doesn't sound bad at all. I wonder if Pope Francis will ever listen to it, though.

Gianthogweed
Jun 3, 2004

"And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.
Well this new Pope does indeed have progressive views so it makes sense that he'd release a progressive album.

Nobody Interesting
Mar 29, 2013

One way, dead end... Street signs are such fitting metaphors for the human condition.


Wow that single is actually fairly listenable. I feel like most if not all the instruments are digital? Can't imagine too much guitar wanking in the live renditions, it's all a bit too clinical.

FrankenVader
Sep 12, 2004
Polymer Records

Gamma Nerd posted:

Drama is pretty good tbh but it's not amazing. Going For The One has a couple good songs. That's about it.

GFTO has Awaken on it, which makes up for anything else.

Iucounu
May 12, 2007


I like nearly every song on GFTO. Awaken is my favorite Yes track ever, and the rest of the are solid. The title track might be the weakest on on there. Parallels is a cool Squire rock track, Turn of the Century is absolutely beautiful with great work from Howe, and Wondrous Stories is decent prog pop.

e: I will say that the production is pretty bad. Very muddy sound. Hopefully SW remixes this one at some point.

Shark Sandwich
Sep 6, 2010

by R. Guyovich
It's no Close to the Edge but it's better than Relayer and Tales IMO. Drama was surprisingly decent for what it was though.

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there
Three of a Perfect Pair camp 2016 just announced for Aug 1-5!

Got my tix for all three Toronto shows, plus the pre- our show on QC on the 12th (yay TL)!

Seventh Arrow
Jan 26, 2005

Is it possible to be impressed and horrified at the same time?

hexwren
Feb 27, 2008

Well, I certainly didn't need to sleep tonight.

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

Seventh Arrow posted:

Is it possible to be impressed and horrified at the same time?



http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=h...zoidzoid+manman

cgfreak
Jan 2, 2013

That's brilliant, the Mirrors section is absolute madness.

But this is still my favourite KC song overlaid on itself: http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=h...2=6&authorName=

Takes No Damage
Nov 20, 2004

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.


Grimey Drawer
On a whim I went searching for one of my favorite prog albums on Youtube, but it wasn't there :(

So I uploaded it myself: Maximum Indifference - The Transmutations of Supposed Angels: Or Beings That Were Once Girls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUmGk8eq0pQ

I actually don't like that much prog, I find most of it too wanky/technical and the singing usually isn't my thing, but for some reason stuff like this and Bozzio/Levin/Stevens' Situation Dangerous are totally my bag man.

Chocobo
Oct 15, 2012


Here comes a new challenger!
Oven Wrangler
Riverside put out an album recently. It's very Riversidey, I enjoy it.

hexwren
Feb 27, 2008

Catching up on the current series of Mastermind, one contestant picked King Crimson as their specialist subject, did alright.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JySitydO86c


Decent episode, worth watching all the way through, skip to 7:20 for the round in question.

FlyingCheese
Jan 17, 2007
OH THANK GOD!

I never thought I'd be happy to see yet another lubed up man-ass.
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/phil-collins-plotting-comeback-i-am-no-longer-retired-20151028

quote:

"I'm no longer officially retired, the horse is out of the stable and I'm raring to go."

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there
Home from trip to Quebec to see KC. Great show, mix a bit off from hall acoustics and drum placement. Met up with a bunch of friends, swapped stories, chatted with Tony Pat and even Mel. I noted a flute oops that Mel confirmed and that RF glitched a Mellotron part in Starless pretty hard. ;)

Nobody Interesting
Mar 29, 2013

One way, dead end... Street signs are such fitting metaphors for the human condition.


How the gently caress are you all getting to just hang out with King Crimson

hexwren
Feb 27, 2008

Nobody Interesting posted:

How the gently caress are you all getting to just hang out with King Crimson

They're rich as hell.

Seventh Arrow
Jan 26, 2005

I had tickets to see King Crimson tonight in Toronto but I can't go because I have a severe case of shingles :negative: At least I was able to find someone from work who wanted them.

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there

Allen Wren posted:

They're rich as hell.

Hardly. One guy I know is, case in point he said he just bought the guitar Steve Howe played on the first ASIA album. Because he lost his virginity to 'Heat Of The Moment' so he bought the guitar.

He's wealthy. I just blow money I should save for seeing bands.

Also, apparently someone used a flash at the first Toronto show and Robert left the stage after KotCK finished as a result, ending the show early.

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


Does anyone count Starcastle among their guilty pleasures? It's utterly cheesy and derivative music that's basically a Yes clone with big synths (it probably helps that I'm an Eloy fan so the big synths are right up my alley) but it's lively and fun and sounds more like classic Yes than anything Yes has done since Relayer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OgrMMQZf1c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2tORbYuWtM

Their reunion album from 2009 is really bad from the sample I heard though.

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DroneRiff
May 11, 2009

I have a Starcastle live album - Shine Brightly I think. Just because it's one of those ones that's always at the local Record Fair and everyone who sells prog/rock/metal always has 5 copies. Shockingly pitched to me as "the American Yes" - funny that. Rather good, I should dig it out again sometime.

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