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what is neofolk?  quote:Neofolk is a form of folk music-inspired experimental music that emerged from post-industrial music circles. Neofolk can either be solely acoustic folk music or a blend of acoustic folk instrumentation aided by varieties of accompanying sounds such as pianos, strings and elements of industrial music and experimental music. The genre encompasses a wide assortment of themes including traditional music, heathenry, romanticism and occultism. Neofolk musicians often have ties to other genres such as neoclassical and martial industrial. what are some good neofolk albums to start off with?    (^ dead can dance - within the realm of a dying sun ^)  (^ sol invictus - death of the west ^) some youtube links: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSOkp5Xr_4w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH72t3QJ3r4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2xl-RJBXVc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDSi0EbDyIM
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Neofolk is good poo poo. David Tibet is my bud. Thanks OP
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Aug 28, 2015 00:19
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Swastikas for Noddy is being reissued soon btw, so definitely go to http://copticcat.com and preorder your copy today; you won't regret it. Edit: parsed my drat link.
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Aug 28, 2015 00:20
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A CRUNK BIRD posted:Swastikas for Noddy is being reissued soon btw, so definitely go to http://copticcat.com and preorder your copy today; you won't regret it. oh poo poo thank you :o
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Aug 28, 2015 01:12
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I like neofolk, but one thing that bothers me is the connection it seems to have to fascism and neo-nazi beliefs. I find a cool band I like, but then I feel like I have to google to see if they are supportive of that ideology. I know it shouldn't bother me so much, and most likely the bands use that imagery for shock value, but it still makes me feel weird when I listen to stuff like Death in June and Darkwood in public. Am I just overreacting, or are they some neofolk bands that really do have those beliefs? BTW, Of the Wand and the moon is another good band.
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Aug 28, 2015 13:46
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Polegrinder posted:I like neofolk, but one thing that bothers me is the connection it seems to have to fascism and neo-nazi beliefs. I find a cool band I like, but then I feel like I have to google to see if they are supportive of that ideology. I know it shouldn't bother me so much, and most likely the bands use that imagery for shock value, but it still makes me feel weird when I listen to stuff like Death in June and Darkwood in public. Am I just overreacting, or are they some neofolk bands that really do have those beliefs? BTW, Of the Wand and the moon is another good band. i tend to disconnect an artist from their beliefs if they aren't blatant as gently caress about it in their music for example i'll still listen to burzum even though varg calls himself a "nationalist"
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Aug 28, 2015 15:32
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reddit liker posted:i tend to disconnect an artist from their beliefs if they aren't blatant as gently caress about it in their music OK, that is true. I guess the music doesn't define your personal beliefs. I'm not a satanist just because I like black metal.
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Aug 28, 2015 16:20
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reddit liker posted:i tend to disconnect an artist from their beliefs if they aren't blatant as gently caress about it in their music I would say a lot of neofolk is very directly about the beliefs of the people involved in making it. in fact those beliefs and the use of a certain set of symbology are one of the defining characteristics of the genre. I mean musically speaking, an awful lot of it is just sort of gloomy acoustic guitar based music that follows fairly standard chord progressions and song structures that one can find in a number of genres - what sets it apart is, in part, the themes that it deals with, and the social/political/religious beliefs of the artists affect those themes to an enormous degree. So I don't think that disconnection can truly be made. that said, just because an artist is using imagery associated with fascism or nordic neo-paganism or whatever does not necessarily mean they are actually a fascist... but there is still a strong connection to fascism and nationalism in this scene and there are definitely neofolk artists who are using music specifically to express fascist or nationalist beliefs.
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Aug 28, 2015 20:23
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David Tibet uses music to espouse pro-badger and pro-pangolin ideology
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Aug 28, 2015 20:51
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speaking of, no neofolk thread is complete without this
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Aug 28, 2015 22:05
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Not exactly Neofolk but since they ran in the same circles: Anyone heard anything about the rights to Coil's music/reissues?
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Aug 28, 2015 23:24
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Polegrinder posted:I like neofolk, but one thing that bothers me is the connection it seems to have to fascism and neo-nazi beliefs. I find a cool band I like, but then I feel like I have to google to see if they are supportive of that ideology. I know it shouldn't bother me so much, and most likely the bands use that imagery for shock value, but it still makes me feel weird when I listen to stuff like Death in June and Darkwood in public. Am I just overreacting, or are they some neofolk bands that really do have those beliefs? BTW, Of the Wand and the moon is another good band. the whole scene is really well known for being full of nazis. It's not quite on the level of martial industrial(which a lot of the same people make and listen to) but fairly bad. That applies to most industrial music to some degree though. reddit liker posted:i tend to disconnect an artist from their beliefs if they aren't blatant as gently caress about it in their music most of the good neofolk guys are fairly blatant, or at least used to be. Old Sol Invictus has like direct quotes from Julius Evola and references to sunwheels and stuff. Tibet is an exception since I don't know if he was really ever really a fascist, he was definitely hanging out with some of them back in the day though.
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Aug 28, 2015 23:24
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Polegrinder posted:OK, that is true. I guess the music doesn't define your personal beliefs. I'm not a satanist just because I like black metal. Black metal has really been removed from its roots recently becoming a favorite genre to mix with others to the point that I don't even associate satanism with it right off the bat anymore. Neofolk hasn't had that happen to it and is very much rooted in fascism/Nazi. Its ok if the personal ideology skeeves you out you do not have to agree with it.
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Aug 29, 2015 09:47
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A CRUNK BIRD posted:Swastikas for Noddy is being reissued soon btw, so definitely go to http://copticcat.com and preorder your copy today; you won't regret it. Cool
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Aug 29, 2015 09:48
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TOOT BOOT posted:Not exactly Neofolk but since they ran in the same circles: Anyone heard anything about the rights to Coil's music/reissues? as for the bulk of their discography there are a lot of dumb rumours about who owns those rights and what is happening to them, and I believe none of them. however what is actually confirmed for real is that the original version of Backwards is actually going to be released, which is pretty awesome: http://www.post-punk.com/coil-backwards-to-be-released-after-20-years-delay/
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Aug 29, 2015 17:22
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There's a new Sol Invictus album coming next year apparently, and you can listen to a demo version of one of the songs here: https://soundcloud.com/tonywakeford/set-the-table-13-will-come not feeling it that much, it's closer to the older stuff than the previous album, which was the most interesting thing he's done in a while imo. It's an early version though, I'm sure the final song will be better.
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Sep 17, 2015 11:42
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Polegrinder posted:OK, that is true. I guess the music doesn't define your personal beliefs. I'm not a satanist just because I like black metal. I try really hard not to like or support neofolk, but then I'll crave some Death in June and uhg... Nada! is so good.
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Sep 18, 2015 02:10
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I don't know where you all get this overt racism from. Like sure Douglas Pearce has a swastika tattooed on his hand, but then you listen to his older music like Crisis - "White Youth" and what do you make of that? Unless you think he flip-flopped and became a racist, which I highly doubt.
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Sep 18, 2015 04:06
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Sanctum posted:I don't know where you all get this overt racism from. Like sure Douglas Pearce has a swastika tattooed on his hand, but then you listen to his older music like Crisis - "White Youth" and what do you make of that? it's not overt, that's the whole thing about neofolk that distinguishes it from outright RAC type stuff. Doug P has made comments about immigrants before though, he basically moved to Australia because he thinks it's more white than Europe is these days.
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Sep 18, 2015 05:14
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Douglas Pearce says pro-white nationalist poo poo in like every interview I've looked at. It's not okay. Additionally his music is largely repetitive, unengaging, and amateurish. Current 93 is glorious on the other hand and David Tibet will probably increasingly be seen as one of the great singer-songwriters of our time on the level of a Dylan or Cohen.
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Sep 19, 2015 17:35
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Dr. Video Games 0081 posted:Current 93 is glorious on the other hand and David Tibet will probably increasingly be seen as one of the great singer-songwriters of our time on the level of a Dylan or Cohen. Interesting and bold claims. I've always been curious about Current 93. What's a good starting point and/or best of?
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Sep 19, 2015 18:09
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There's a string of Current 93 albums starting with 2006's Black Ships Ate the Sky that I think can't be beat. Aleph at Hallucinatory Mountain; Baalstorm, Sing Omega; and Honeysuckle Aeons. They are all super good and seem to me to form a pretty coherent series. David Tibet has a side project to Current 93 called Myrninerest, and the album from that project, Jhonn Uttered Babylon is probably my favorite David Tibet thing all together. It's sort of a reflection on the deaths of Jhonn Balance of Coil and Sebastian Horsley--extremely good poo poo.
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Sep 19, 2015 18:18
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I like Blood Axis and Fire + Ice a lot even though those guys can get a little campy at times.
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Sep 19, 2015 19:45
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El Miguel posted:Interesting and bold claims. I've always been curious about Current 93. What's a good starting point and/or best of? Of Ruine or Some Blazing Starre and Sleep Has His House are personal faves of mine but otherwise I'm in alignment with the esteemed Doctor of Video Games
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Sep 19, 2015 21:57
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Of Ruine was the C93 record that personally first really grabbed me and got me listening to more and more, so I'd maybe start there
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Sep 19, 2015 22:01
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Just to give some evidence for how good David Tibet is as a lyricist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In0nHSGvoxI Celebrate the escalator and catnip pastures Not liable to fire or disaster Epic win lyrics
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Sep 20, 2015 00:10
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Dr. Video Games 0081 posted:Additionally his music is largely repetitive, unengaging, and amateurish. It's always struck me that Doug P really needs someone to collaborate with to be much good, all the best Death In June stuff is the early material, where he's got Wakeford or Patrick Leagas or Tibet helping him out, once it's down to just him it gets worse and at this point he's just repeating the same crap over again.
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Sep 20, 2015 01:06
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That's unfair to the guy ,so much of this genre is collaborative. Plus he kinda invented it, no? Folk, folklore are completely nationalist ideas. Neofolk is sometimes pretty smart so they sing about big things like nation and/or religion. Better things for a grown up to worry about than most of what people sing about, love or feeling sad or how capitalism is unfair or how war is bad. if I were those guys I'd sing about hitler way more. Nationalism basically is the lifeblood of all arts. SixSixSix is I think the best introductory C93 record since it's so diverse. Someone may be disappointed when they listen to for example Aleph and then learn its a kind of a singular work.
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Sep 21, 2015 23:29
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loga mira posted:Better things for a grown up to worry about than most of what people sing about, love or feeling sad or how capitalism is unfair or how war is bad. Those are all perfectly valid things for someone to sing about. Not to mention that nationalism is a relatively recent concept, far more so than most of the pagan ideas that neofolk tends to incorporate, so the claim that it's the lifeblood of all arts is ridiculous. If you talked to a ancient celt about the nation he'd be looking at you funny. A human heart fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Sep 21, 2015 |
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Sep 21, 2015 23:40
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Ancient kelp wouldn't know that it's ancient and wouldn't care about it, because the idea of ancientness as conclusively legitimizing is also nationalist. Or religious. Or from marketing perspective.
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Sep 21, 2015 23:52
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What is that supposed to mean?
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Sep 22, 2015 01:06
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loga mira posted:Ancient kelp
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Sep 22, 2015 01:28
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A human heart posted:What is that supposed to mean? When you say "Celts" today you think mainly of imagery popularized through works of Irish and British nationalist artists. Artists disdained by Joyce I must add, this poem has a decidedly *neofolk* feel ... But I must not accounted be One of that mumming company – With him who hies him to appease His giddy dames' frivolities While they console him when he whinges With gold-embroidered Celtic fringes – Or him who sober all the day Mixes a naggin in his play – Or him whose conduct 'seems to own' His preference for a man of 'tone' – Or him who plays the ragged patch To millionaires in Hazelpatch But weeping after holy fast Confesses all his pagan past – Or him who will his hat unfix Neither to malt nor crucifix But show to all that poor-dressed be His high Castilian courtesy – Or him who loves his Master dear – Or him who drinks his pint in fear – Or him who once when snug abed Saw Jesus Christ without his head and so on. There also is a mention of Mammon
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Sep 22, 2015 14:53
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loga mira posted:Folk, folklore are completely nationalist ideas. wtf? Folk music and folklore predate the existence of nationalism by a very long time. loga mira posted:When you say "Celts" today you think mainly of imagery popularized through works of Irish and British nationalist artists. Maybe some people do, but a lot of people are well aware of the fact that the Celts originated in central Europe, occupied many regions of Europe (and even Asia Minor) and influenced a wide variety of cultures. There are still plenty of references to Celts and Celtic culture that have nothing at all to do with Irish or British nationalism, or with Ireland or Britain at all.
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Sep 22, 2015 16:36
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Not really. Folk culture exists only in a nationalizing state as a neutered and unified amalgamation of many different traditions, customs, atrs, crafts, symbols... Celts didnt know they were celts, they knew what village they were from etc. Werent you in the ukraine theread when I was posting in it? Must look weird a guy popping up in random threads talking about this poo poo. I've always though Grebenschekov could've been cool had he not become something of a celebrity. A lot of his stuff is also "neofolk" in character, esotericism, lingering nationalist melancholia, folkish stylisations. Russian Album is the most obvious example, but his most recent album also has some of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqLo-8NgIuo When you're in Moscow think better than to speak of holy things Or else those who are meek as pigeons will take ahold of you, Those who have not sinned will saddle you, Ministers of love will strike you into the ground with their cross.
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Sep 22, 2015 17:11
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loga mira posted:Not really. Folk culture exists only in a nationalizing state as a neutered and unified amalgamation of many different traditions, customs, atrs, crafts, symbols... Celts didnt know they were celts, they knew what village they were from etc. They didn't always use the word "Celts" of course and have gone under a number of different names, but the idea of Celts as a group of cultures and languages certainly existed - and continues to exist - outside of Britain or Ireland, and folk music has definitely existed outside of and prior to nationalism. And also you can literally travel to tons of places in continental Europe where you can visit the sites of Celtic ruins, see Celtic artifacts, and read about the history of the various Celtic tribes who lived in those regions, and that poo poo has nothing at all to do with Britain or Ireland.
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Sep 23, 2015 00:48
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Almost every song posted here sounds like The Frogs, but without all the jokes about gay sex. I dig it.
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Sep 23, 2015 02:00
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Dr. Video Games 0081 posted:Just to give some evidence for how good David Tibet is as a lyricist: This song is so incredibly good I like the spheres 2 take better though A CRUNK BIRD fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Sep 23, 2015 |
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Sep 23, 2015 07:27
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For people curious about Current 93 i've always preferred to recommend a live album. "All dolled up like christ" or "How i devoured apocalypse balloon" in particular. You get a broad range of songs and I've personally always liked the live versions better than studio.
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Apocalypse Balloon has that version of sleep has his house where Tibet gets so emotional that you can hear him start to cry while singing the song, it's really cool.
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