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ToxicFrog posted:SS2, I think, is kind of in the same bucket as Thief 2: the best parts are really good, some of LGS's best work, and it's scary as gently caress, but it's also quite variable in quality and the bad parts are really bad. And (again, like TMA) a lot of the bad parts are back-loaded, so you're more likely to be leaving with a bad impression. SS1 is more consistently good and this, I think, makes it a better game overall. ShockRL would be pretty great. And you could practically port the character system over wholesale. Now i'm imagining a roguelike where character creation takes place on a map you actually walk around on, in-game, making choices that directly determine your character build. Even better if it's scenarios you have to play out instead of "Pick one of these three doors" (although maybe leave that as an option). A basketball has to be hidden on the map. Edit: ASCIIShock.
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Just don't forget the most important part of a System Shock game: SHODAN dialing me up every 20 minutes to tell me I suck, I'm useless, I'm her bitch, she's going to punish me, etc. System Shock: bringing out the inner Sub in all of us.
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RickVoid posted:ShockRL would be pretty great. And you could practically port the character system over wholesale. Now i'm imagining a roguelike where character creation takes place on a map you actually walk around on, in-game, making choices that directly determine your character build.  That's all SS2; for this I was thinking more SS1, although there's no reason elements from SS2 couldn't be incorporated as well to great effect.In SS1, there's no skillpoint system and no real "RPG Elements™" at all. You can use any gear you find immediately, although there's a limit to how many weapons you can carry. New abilities are gained or upgraded by finding implants and plugging them into your skull (and there's no limit on how many you can have online at once, unlike SS2). These abilities range from things like a flashlight (which eventually gets upgraded into a room-illuminating floodlight) to force shields, omnidirectional vision, rocket skates, and flight. Cyberspace (which is consists of separate wireframe levels with 6DOF -- the SS2 version in the last level is a sad imitation) has its own set of upgrades and consumables. For all that SS2 has you filled with "military-grade cybergoodies", the hacker at the end of SS1 is a lot scarier than Goggles ever gets in SS2. I'm not sure how well most of this would translate into a roguelike, but it's cool as hell. Once the ttymor engine is up and running I'd be kind of tempted to just prototype some of it in a simple arena mode to play around with.
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Well hey looks like tower climb is out on steam now!
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Apart from the exhausting controlol scheme, i thought System Shock 1 was cooler looking and more fun to play than part dos. Some sort of AsciiShock sounds very interesting imo.
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Harminoff posted:Well hey looks like tower climb is out on steam now! Holy poo poo. Hey you guys should play Tower Climb because it's incredible.
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Wow, I bought Tower Climb 3 years ago, never thought it'd actually be finished and be on Steam. It's a lot of fun though, I'd highly recommend it if you like climbing gigantic procedurally generated towers.
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Harminoff posted:Well hey looks like tower climb is out on steam now! Do you get a key if you bought this $ages ago from his site? e: Yes? I think? https://twitter.com/Davioware/status/646418600753020929 e2: 15€ is not going to go over well. Klaus Kinski fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Sep 22, 2015 |
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Sep 22, 2015 22:04
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haha he removed all of the text that showed up when you picked up items and it doesn't even include a manual like the beta so tower climb is even more obtuse now. It's so good though
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Towerclimb is one of the most atmospheric games I've ever played and I love it, but it's hard to see it ever making it as a break out success in a market absolutely saturated with indie roguelike crap. I wish it all the best, though.
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Fuligin posted:Towerclimb is one of the most atmospheric games I've ever played and I love it, but it's hard to see it ever making it as a break out success in a market absolutely saturated with indie roguelike crap. I wish it all the best, though. Heck at this point a release is already a success. I agree with you that it's unlikely to stand out among its crappier brethren, though. Waiting for an email from the dude with a Steam key or a DRM-free build... bought in a couple years back.
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I bought it as well a few years back on an old isp email address I no longer have access to. Hopefully he adds the keys to the site as well.
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Harminoff posted:I bought it as well a few years back on an old isp email address I no longer have access to. Hopefully he adds the keys to the site as well. You should probably tweet at them or find an address to email apparently davioware@davioware.com lets hang out fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Sep 23, 2015 |
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lets hang out posted:haha he removed all of the text that showed up when you picked up items and it doesn't even include a manual like the beta so tower climb is even more obtuse now. It's so good though Speaking of which, what are the controls?
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Fayez Butts posted:Speaking of which, what are the controls? I figured out that in the controls menu if you click outside the box it tells you to click on to rebind the button it'll tell you what it's currently assigned to. Uh but by default I think X is jump, Shift is run/hold, C stores what you're holding in inventory or pulls something out if you're not holding anything, A is jump potion, S is corrosive potion, D is teleport potion, W shows your inventory, and umm I can't actually remember what the default keys are to cycle through inventory slots because I changed them immediately, sorry.
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Holy poo poo tower climb. Time to dig out my receipt and take another kick at it. I really liked what time I spent on that game.
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ExiledTinkerer posted:The 2015 ARRP festivities, such as they are, have been unleashed upon the world! RNG clrc seems like a cool game so far, but it's pretty obtuse and I have no idea what I'm doing. I died in the starting town by fireballing a tree and then stepping into the resulting fire. (Not on my first character, but on my third!) I also have no idea what Wit does. Maybe it has to do with writing scrolls, although I haven't seen any yet. e: Okay apparently stepping on any burning object hurts you. Killed a goblin with a torch, stepped over to pick up the torch, oh hey my inventory's on fire. e2: The game seems to sometimes crash when things get lit on fire, which is a pretty big problem in a game where fire is a central mechanic. RPATDO_LAMD fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Sep 23, 2015 |
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Sep 23, 2015 19:29
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oh nevermind Towerclimb's manual is in Steam http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/396640/manuals/TowerClimb_Manual.pdf?t=1442936282 also I was watching a guy stream it the other day and he figured out that if you're holding run and press jump + left or right at the same time you can do a high jump at running speed, which wasn't possible in the betas. A dev was in the chat and he said it was a bug that he left in intentionally because it's cool. lets hang out fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Sep 23, 2015 |
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Roguelike dev general interest. This was a surprisingly tricky problem. I wanted to take a set of regions like this and find the biggest rectangle in each of them. (In this particular case as a way to generate a tent city layout for Caves of Qud) I went in thinking "Ok just find the biggest rectangle.." and a few minutes later coming out scratching my head, realizing it was a way less trivial problem to solve in a reasonable amount of time than I thought. So after a little digging, an O(n) solution turned up, which was to rip the thing to individual row histograms in an O(n) pass, and then do this stack-based dynamic programming solution to solve each one O(n): http://tech-queries.blogspot.com/2011/03/maximum-area-rectangle-in-histogram.html Input Grid, per row histograms (basically saying how many 0s from that cell up) and area for that bar of the histogram (basically building up one row at a time top to bottom) 
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No one's posted the release trailer for Towerclimb yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXtAmFDZT_U gently caress this game is pretty. I finally got my steam key in the mail from my beta purchase - can't wait to
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Alehkhs posted:No one's posted the release trailer for Towerclimb yet?
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coyo7e posted:Because they already posted that it's released. On this page. I'm aware... Alehkhs posted:No one's posted the release trailer for Towerclimb yet?
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Alehkhs posted:No one's posted the release trailer for Towerclimb yet? I admit that I was too lazy to look it up when people were talking about it but now I'm definitely going to grab this. Thanks 
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I dunno why they recorded that trailer with the butt ugly smoothing filter on. Game looks really nice without it.
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No doubt everyone in this thread has two copies already, buuuut Dungeonmans is 33% off for the next 7 days to celebrate the Fightamin D update! http://store.steampowered.com/app/288120 Patch Notes: http://steamcommunity.com/games/288120/announcements/detail/799743768674683418 If you didn't know already, Dungeonmans is the perfect refresher for when you're tired of being hated by robot birds for boofing them with salt dildos, or whatever other far-future character flaw Hand of Luke has been accusing you of. 
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Is porting Dungeonmans to mac at all in your list of things you'll consider?
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nutranurse posted:Is porting Dungeonmans to mac at all in your list of things you'll consider? It is, but the cost->benefit ratio is terrible. It would have to be a weekend project and I have a few other more entertaining weekend projects. I got an offer to have it ported to Mac for me by an outside team, which would then put the game in a bundle and recoup bundle sales until they were paid for the work they did porting it. I passed, since it wasn't really bundle time for Dungeonmans yet.
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madjackmcmad posted:It is, but the cost->benefit ratio is terrible. It would have to be a weekend project and I have a few other more entertaining weekend projects. I got an offer to have it ported to Mac for me by an outside team, which would then put the game in a bundle and recoup bundle sales until they were paid for the work they did porting it. I passed, since it wasn't really bundle time for Dungeonmans yet. Your game is too good to go in poo poo bundles. Not sure how all that works, but hold out for a quality bundle if you can. In other news, holy poo poo Towerclimb's control scheme is as bad as I remember. That is a game that really needs the ability to map to a gamepad. I want to couch play.
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Jordan7hm posted:Your game is too good to go in poo poo bundles. Not sure how all that works, but hold out for a quality bundle if you can. I just mapped to my wired 360 controller in the settings just fine.
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Jordan7hm posted:Your game is too good to go in poo poo bundles. Not sure how all that works, but hold out for a quality bundle if you can. But you can map to a gamepad? Just tap the gamepad keys at the config screen.
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transitioning from the side of a block to hanging underneath it seems even trickier than usual with a gamepad. I guess that isn't essential but it's sure nice sometimes e: well maybe it's not so hard. feels weird to use an analog stick for this but i can't get dpad to work really at all
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nutranurse posted:Is porting Dungeonmans to mac at all in your list of things you'll consider? It's a bit of extra effort but Dungeonmans runs pretty well in wine. I posted my steps to get it running somewhere in the Dungeonmans thread.
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Post poste posted:But you can map to a gamepad? Just tap the gamepad keys at the config screen. weird, it wasn't detecting my pad. I'll try again. e: it works, but the controls are not good, because it detects diagonals via the combined input. gamepad seems basically unusable. Am I doing something wrong here? Jordan7hm fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Sep 26, 2015 |
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Jordan7hm posted:weird, it wasn't detecting my pad. I'll try again. Nope. Maybe they'll patch it. You can use xpadder or something like it and bind the diagonals to hit both directions at once, like this  Or you can use an analog stick. When you do there's a funny thing where if you're on the side of a wall and you hold the stick toward the wall you'll grip it instead of sliding down, like you would if you were holding the jump button. Which uh is really nice and makes the game a lot easier to control, but I can't figure out any way to get it working with digital controls. maybe some other program could mirror the analog stick to the dpad, that would do it. I can't figure out how to make xpadder do that. lets hang out fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Sep 26, 2015 |
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Unormal posted:Roguelike dev general interest. I'm not a roguelike dev, but this kind of post is great. Sounds like programming in a nutshell. "Oh this shouldn't be so bad..." ... ... "Well, poo poo."
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honestly after trying like 10 different ways to control towerclimb i think just plugging in a 360 controller and using the analog stick works best
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Piggybacking on the development talk, I'll crosspost this from the Makin' Games thread. I took a break from gameplay stuff this week to rewrite Roggle's map generator. Maps used to be giant squares of confusion; now they're looking a lot more directed / dungeonlike. You can play with it yourself here if you'd like. Press space to re-roll the map.
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Deacon of Delicious posted:I'm not a roguelike dev, but this kind of post is great. Sounds like programming in a nutshell. FYI here's my final O(n) solver: https://pastebin.com/jBqyd0Kb (e: fixed a bug) Largest rect marked with # 
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lets hang out posted:honestly after trying like 10 different ways to control towerclimb i think just plugging in a 360 controller and using the analog stick works best Personally I like the default keyboard controls. Your hands get all cramped and sweaty, just as if you were actually gripping onto a sheer rock wall!
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