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EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot

Jalumibnkrayal posted:

For what it's worth, someone on another forum was very upset with Booksends because they're acting like a middleman for PoI I guess. The person booked a promo with PoI and Booksends accepted their payment and told them they were good to go. The day of the promo Booksends tells them that PoI rejected their promo and refunded them.

Yeah that's a clusterfuck by both parties to be honest. I'd ask for my entire promotion price back and tell them not to expect my business again.

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Sulla Faex
May 14, 2010

No man ever did me so much good, or enemy so much harm, but I repaid him with ENDLESS SHITPOSTING
How do you guys track your daily word count/output over a period of time? I had a quick look and it seems there are no options that aren't manual, i.e. just check at the end of each session and throw it in an excel spreadsheet or some website/app that'll provide graphs. Is there really no tool that'll integrate (to some level) with Scrivener etc and track word count automatically and log it? I mean I could make one myself probably but it's simple enough that I'd expect one to already exist...

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

A TSR that tracked your word count would also be useful, but i'm pretty certain every security program in existence would flag it as a keylogger.

Sulla Faex
May 14, 2010

No man ever did me so much good, or enemy so much harm, but I repaid him with ENDLESS SHITPOSTING
I wasn't thinking of anything so aggressive. If I can't find anything out there I'll probably kill a bit of time hacking together something for myself, but I would imagine I'd just mark a few Scrivener folders to track, check modified files every hour, then open, count, compare, and log word count differences on those. For my own purposes I don't care about final total output or 100% accuracy (so I don't need a keylogger) but instead about general productivity, so if I write 1000 words and delete 2000 words I wouldn't log 'minus 1000', I'd just mark it as 0. Basically "current word count minus last tracked word count, if < 0 set to 0". Then I'd upload that data to my webserver where I can publish a pretty graph of output over time and I can shame myself into keeping it above '0' every day.

I'm just curious that nobody has bothered doing something similar for Scrivener (and Microsoft word, apple pages, whatever - there are bound to be libraries that can strip formatting and reduce it down to simple words) as it's technically pretty simple and you'd be able to maintain relatively decent accuracy.

Sulla Faex fucked around with this message at 13:53 on Sep 26, 2015

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

I'm fairly sure I read about something like that, but the catch was it started deleting your porn if it got too far into negative numbers. Might just have been an idea though.

Roar
Jul 7, 2007

I got 30 points!

I GOT 30 POINTS!

Bobby Deluxe posted:

I'm fairly sure I read about something like that, but the catch was it started deleting your porn if it got too far into negative numbers. Might just have been an idea though.

http://writeordie.com/

ArchangeI
Jul 15, 2010

Sulla-Marius 88 posted:

I wasn't thinking of anything so aggressive. If I can't find anything out there I'll probably kill a bit of time hacking together something for myself, but I would imagine I'd just mark a few Scrivener folders to track, check modified files every hour, then open, count, compare, and log word count differences on those. For my own purposes I don't care about final total output or 100% accuracy (so I don't need a keylogger) but instead about general productivity, so if I write 1000 words and delete 2000 words I wouldn't log 'minus 1000', I'd just mark it as 0. Basically "current word count minus last tracked word count, if < 0 set to 0". Then I'd upload that data to my webserver where I can publish a pretty graph of output over time and I can shame myself into keeping it above '0' every day.

I'm just curious that nobody has bothered doing something similar for Scrivener (and Microsoft word, apple pages, whatever - there are bound to be libraries that can strip formatting and reduce it down to simple words) as it's technically pretty simple and you'd be able to maintain relatively decent accuracy.

I use yWriter, which is a lot like Scrivener except not nearly as fancy but free. Logs daily word counts just fine.

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER
I know you can set targets for any chapter/sub document in Scrivener, and in one of the views, you can get a quick glimpse to see how well you're hitting that target:


And that helps you if you're trying to keep on track, but it's not really progress over time... just, progress.

It looks like Storyist does something like what you're looking for:
http://storyist.com/support/howto/setup-storyist3-for-nanowrimo/

magnificent7 fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Sep 27, 2015

Ghostwoods
May 9, 2013

Say "Cheese!"
Some months ago, I did a very quick 'n' dirty estimate of how many sales a really successful book in a range of genres could hope to be pulling in a day, at its peak.

I've done another slurp of data and updated my info, so I thought I'd share again in case there was any interest.

METHODOLOGY
----
Take a look at the 20th bestselling book in a genre and also the 100th bestselling book (never look at the #1 book because that could be an outlier). Take the ranks of those books and use their average as the denominator for the equation (100000 / sales rank). That's an estimate -- but a decent one -- for number of sales per day that you can expect from a decent selling book from the genre. Multiple the sales by royalty -- most likely about $2 -- to see daily peak income.

KEY
----
Genre
Link to Top 100
Overall Amazon Kindle Sales Rank of #20 in top 100 + #100 = Average Position = Est. sales per day for average position
If there's a second line, this one is today's (if not, the only line is today's)
== Est sales per day for average of previous data points.

DATA
----
Contemporary Romance
http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Kindle-Store-Contemporary-Romance/zgbs/digital-text/158568011/ref=zg_bs_nav_kstore_4_6487838011
73+ 311= 192= 520
96+ 457= 276= 362 == 441

Romantic Comedy
http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Kindle-Store-Romantic-Comedy/zgbs/digital-text/6487841011/ref=zg_bs_nav_kstore_4_158568011#5
193+ 958= 575= 174 == 174

Paranormal Romance
http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Kindle-Store-Paranormal-Romance/zgbs/digital-text/6190484011/ref=zg_bs_nav_kstore_4_158568011
233+1098= 666= 150 == 150

College Romance
http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Kindle-Store-New-Adult-College-Romance/zgbs/digital-text/6487838011/ref=zg_bs_nav_kstore_4_158568011
120+ 863= 491= 200
205+ 970=1175= 85 == 142

Romantic Suspense
http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Kindle-Store-Romantic-Suspense/zgbs/digital-text/158574011/ref=zg_bs_nav_kstore_4_6487839011
321+1327= 824= 121
259+1208=1467= 136 == 128

Erotica
http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Kindle-Store-Erotica/zgbs/digital-text/157057011/ref=zg_bs_nav_kstore_3_157028011
900+4727=2813= 35 == 35

LGBT Romance
http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Kindle-Store-LGBT-Romance/zgbs/digital-text/10886541011/ref=zg_bs_nav_kstore_3_158566011
1813+5712=3762= 27
1556+5144=3350= 30 == 29

All Romance
http://www.amazon.com/author-rank/Romance/digital-text/158566011/ref=ntt_dp_kar_B00OS6RR0I
56+ 226= 169= 591

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Ghostwoods posted:

Some months ago, I did a very quick 'n' dirty estimate of how many sales a really successful book in a range of genres could hope to be pulling in a day, at its peak.

I've done another slurp of data and updated my info, so I thought I'd share again in case there was any interest.

METHODOLOGY
----
Take a look at the 20th bestselling book in a genre and also the 100th bestselling book (never look at the #1 book because that could be an outlier). Take the ranks of those books and use their average as the denominator for the equation (100000 / sales rank). That's an estimate -- but a decent one -- for number of sales per day that you can expect from a decent selling book from the genre. Multiple the sales by royalty -- most likely about $2 -- to see daily peak income.

KEY
----
Genre
Link to Top 100
Overall Amazon Kindle Sales Rank of #20 in top 100 + #100 = Average Position = Est. sales per day for average position
If there's a second line, this one is today's (if not, the only line is today's)
== Est sales per day for average of previous data points.


KU makes the data harder to work with now that we can't see how many borrows we get anymore. If I assume that 100% of borrowers in a given day read the book to 100% in the same day (this is clearly a completely awful assumption, but it creates a conservative lower-bound to the number of borrows a given rank gets).

My last book hit #70 in the store with Contemporary Romance as its primary category (though it was in eight categories, which also confounds things a bit) and matches your data for CR very closely with a combined sales+borrows count of 445 at its peak rank day.

Jalumibnkrayal
Apr 16, 2008

Ramrod XTreme
There's some scuttlebutt going around that Amazon is removing some popular traditionally published romance from Kindle Unlimited. As I understand it, these are books with sweetheart deals where they are enrolled in KU but the publishers are paid full royalties per borrow, not per page read. I'm guessing that this is money that does not come out of the KU/KOLL monthly pool, but that's just a guess. There are a lot of facets to a development like this so there are a lot of conclusions to draw, good/bad and short/long term.

Yooper
Apr 30, 2012




This novel literally opens up with the death of thousands of sailors and marines as the starship crashes. The survivors are slowly freezing to death in a barren wasteland. That's all cool I guess, but say gently caress and I've gone too far.

quote:

"We train young men to drop fire on people. But their commanders won't allow them to write "gently caress" on their airplanes because it's obscene!" - Colonel Kurtz in Apocalypse Now

PepperSinclaire
Jan 21, 2007

But everyone's doooing it!

Yooper posted:



This novel literally opens up with the death of thousands of sailors and marines as the starship crashes. The survivors are slowly freezing to death in a barren wasteland. That's all cool I guess, but say gently caress and I've gone too far.

Reviews are weird. My first horror novel is called MELT. It's described as a story in which a virus causes people to melt. Much melting ensues.

One review complains that too many people die from melting.

V:downs:V

Yooper
Apr 30, 2012


I do believe excessive melting is a problem in our society today and good fiction doesn't dramatize or sensationalize melting.

Sulla Faex
May 14, 2010

No man ever did me so much good, or enemy so much harm, but I repaid him with ENDLESS SHITPOSTING
I hope you at least put a trigger warning at the start of the book in case a reader or someone they know has melted to death

Ghostwoods
May 9, 2013

Say "Cheese!"

Sundae posted:

KU makes the data harder to work with now that we can't see how many borrows we get anymore. If I assume that 100% of borrowers in a given day read the book to 100% in the same day (this is clearly a completely awful assumption, but it creates a conservative lower-bound to the number of borrows a given rank gets).

My last book hit #70 in the store with Contemporary Romance as its primary category (though it was in eight categories, which also confounds things a bit) and matches your data for CR very closely with a combined sales+borrows count of 445 at its peak rank day.

That's good to know. Ta. I've been assuming that KU2 makes the overall financial returns less accurate, but it seems likely that the comparative performance of sectors is still going to be potentially useful.

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
I've been thinking about doing some satirical, fictional work involving the current Republican presidential candidates and incorporating the genre that shall not be named.

What kind of libel or liability concern would an author have describing a fictional tryst between, say, Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio? Any?

syscall girl
Nov 7, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe

a shameful boehner posted:

I've been thinking about doing some satirical, fictional work involving the current Republican presidential candidates and incorporating the genre that shall not be named.

What kind of libel or liability concern would an author have describing a fictional tryst between, say, Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio? Any?

Change the names and switch out the actual sordid details for fictional sordidness. Also use Michael Trychton as a pen name.

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
I'm just wondering how the author of this:

http://www.amazon.com/Many-Hues-Ted-Cruz-Erotica/dp/1515391531/ref=sr_1_66?ie=UTF8&qid=1443639164&sr=8-66&keywords=Ted+Cruz

Is getting away with it, since they're using Cruz's full name and position.

angel opportunity
Sep 7, 2004

Total Eclipse of the Heart

a shameful boehner posted:

I'm just wondering how the author of this:

http://www.amazon.com/Many-Hues-Ted-Cruz-Erotica/dp/1515391531/ref=sr_1_66?ie=UTF8&qid=1443639164&sr=8-66&keywords=Ted+Cruz

Is getting away with it, since they're using Cruz's full name and position.

they're not getting away with it sales-wise:



expect similar sales!

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
Literary libel law seems really murky.

Reading this statement:

quote:

Use parody and satire. If what you describe could never be true, then it is not a statement of fact. That’s how The Onion and other satire sites get away with headlines such as Brad Pitt Decides To Grow Out Forehead Hair.

Wouldn't that mean if your work is clearly parodical and satirical and "could never be true", that covers the above kind of work about Ted Cruz and other similar pieces?

angel opportunity
Sep 7, 2004

Total Eclipse of the Heart
Probably, but is it worth risking any form of lawsuit at all? You'll make less than $10 if you do this, and if you get sued, you still have to hire a lawyer

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
Probably not. Oh well.

Ghostwoods
May 9, 2013

Say "Cheese!"

a shameful boehner posted:

I'm just wondering how the author of this:

http://www.amazon.com/Many-Hues-Ted-Cruz-Erotica/dp/1515391531/ref=sr_1_66?ie=UTF8&qid=1443639164&sr=8-66&keywords=Ted+Cruz

Is getting away with it, since they're using Cruz's full name and position.

Satirical use is very difficult to fight legally. So long as you make the case that it's intended as a fictional lampooning rather than a description of fact, there's no libel there to answer.

EDIT: There's almost no chance you'd be sued, because people are well aware of the Streisand Effect. If you _did_ get sued, sales would shoot through the roof, and you'd probably be able to rally people around you anyway.

newtestleper
Oct 30, 2003
You'll need to get in before Chuck Tingle, too.

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot
i heart chuck tingle

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER
Holy gently caress my book came out last week and I'm just now getting around to noticing.

http://www.amazon.com/Snapshot-Beau-Hall-ebook/dp/B015QH2U0E/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1443765087&sr=1-1

Holy loving poo poo!

Bardeh
Dec 2, 2004

Fun Shoe

Congrats, the cover looks great! I will say, though, that at $4.99 you're very unlikely to see many (if any) sales. I'd suggest enrolling it into KDP Select and lowering the price to $0.99, even if it's only temporary. You want to make sure you get as many eyeballs on it as possible in those all-important first 30 days. 99 cents means people will take a chance on it, which means a better ranking which means more visibility, which means more sales. People are pretty unlikely to take a chance on an unknown author for 5 bucks, but for 1, or for free with their Kindle Unlimited sub, why not?

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Bardeh posted:

Congrats, the cover looks great! I will say, though, that at $4.99 you're very unlikely to see many (if any) sales. I'd suggest enrolling it into KDP Select and lowering the price to $0.99, even if it's only temporary. You want to make sure you get as many eyeballs on it as possible in those all-important first 30 days. 99 cents means people will take a chance on it, which means a better ranking which means more visibility, which means more sales. People are pretty unlikely to take a chance on an unknown author for 5 bucks, but for 1, or for free with their Kindle Unlimited sub, why not?

Great point - I think the cheapo price is going to happen next week, have to confirm with my team.

Yooper
Apr 30, 2012


Blurb check, whatcha guys think?

quote:

War has raged between the Terran Union and the alien Qin for over twenty years. The humans are masters on the ground, the Qin rule the stars. It's a stalemate where neither side is able to defeat the other. Then in the Summer System, the first to fall to the Qin, the Terran Union invades with the largest military force ever assembled. 50 Million Troops. An Armada of starships. An operation that must succeed.

Captain Gavin Mcloud, son of the SkyMarshall leading the invasion, is the Commanding Officer of the 5th Rangers. Fifteen years before the Qin slaughtered his mother and took both his brother and sister. Now he's out for revenge and must drop into the mountains and secure an orbital defense battery. But instead of the inept Qin, armored humans are fighting back, and fighting back hard.

Just then Jack Cook, Xeno-Engineer, manages to hack the entire planetary defense grid. He accidentally makes himself and Captain McCloud the key to using the defenses. But not all is as it seems, and soon the entire invasion hangs in the balance. And the Qin haven't even arrived with their fleet.

Can the invasion succeed when they face human defenders, the most dangerous predator of all?

ravenkult
Feb 3, 2011


Yooper posted:

Blurb check, whatcha guys think?

War has raged between the Terran Union and the alien Qin for over twenty years. The humans dominate on the ground, the Qin rule the stars. It's a stalemate where neither side is able to defeat the other. This is the definition of a stalemate. RewordThen in the Summer System, the first to fall to the Qin, the Terran Union invades with the largest military force ever assembled. 50 Million Troops. An Armada of starships. An operation that must succeed.

Captain Gavin Mcloud, really son of the SkyMarshall leading the invasion, is the Commanding Officer of the 5th Rangers. Fifteen years earlier, the Qin slaughtered his mother and took both his brother and sister. took em where and for whatNow he's out for revenge. He must drop into the mountains and secure an orbital defense battery. But instead of the inept Qin, armored humans are fighting back, and fighting back hard. so is this the mystery or what's happening here

Just then Jack Cook, Xeno-Engineer, manages to hack the entire planetary defense grid. He accidentally makes himself and Captain McCloud the key to using the defenses. using them for what? aren't they invading? But not all is as it seems, and soon the entire invasion hangs in the balance. generic af And the Qin haven't even arrived with their fleet.

Can the invasion succeed when they face human defenders, the most dangerous predator of all? I doubt humans are the most dangerous predator to other humans.

Dr. Kloctopussy
Apr 22, 2003

"It's time....to DIE!"

Yooper posted:

Blurb check, whatcha guys think?

I don't have specific change suggestions, but:
1) first sentence is a REALY weak construction (war has raged)
2) the entire first paragraph is a bunch of set up, description of a war, no characters.
3) You have a poor idea of what is important to people who haven't read the book (it doesn't matter that he is the son of the sky marshal leading the invasion, not a single bit. It doesn't matter what unit of whatever he commands. That means nothing.) Or maybe I do. I haven't read a lot of blurbs for recent epic sci-fi, but overall the blurb is confusing and doesn't grab me at all.

CAPTIN GAVIN MCCLOUD IS OUT FOR REVENGE.

15 YEARS AGO THE ALIEN QIN SLAUGHTERED HIS MOTHER AND TOOK HIS BROTHER AND SISTER AS SLAVES.

NOW HE'S OUTSIDE THEIR BIGGEST BASE, AND HE'S READY TO FIGHT, BUT IT'S NOT THE QIN WHO ARE SHOOTING BACK. IT'S HUMANS.

Dr. Kloctopussy fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Oct 2, 2015

angel opportunity
Sep 7, 2004

Total Eclipse of the Heart
War has raged between the Terran Union and the alien Qin for over twenty years. The humans are masters on the ground, the Qin rule the stars. It's a stalemate where neither side is able to defeat the other. Then in the Summer System, the first to fall to the Qin, the Terran Union invades with the largest military force ever assembled. 50 Million Troops. An Armada of starships. An operation that must succeed.

Captain Gavin Mcloud, son of the SkyMarshall leading the invasion, is the Commanding Officer of the 5th Rangers. Fifteen years before the Qin slaughtered his mother and took both his brother and sister. Now he's out for revenge and must drop into the mountains and secure an orbital defense battery. But it won't be by the hairs of the Qinny Qin Qin that Mccloud will blow this planet down; armored humans are fighting back, and they've built an indestructible 'Brick House'.

Just then Jack Cook, Xeno-Engineer, manages to hack the entire planetary defense grid. He accidentally makes himself and Captain McCloud the key to using the defenses. But not all is as it seems, and soon the entire invasion hangs in the balance. And the Qin haven't even arrived with their fleet.

Can the invasion succeed when they face human defenders, the most dangerous predator of all?

kitten
Feb 6, 2003
COULD IT BE HIS MISSING FAMILY SHOOTING AT HIM?

ArchangeI
Jul 15, 2010

Yooper posted:

Blurb check, whatcha guys think?

Yeah it's kinda not that good. Too many awkward sentences. I think you're trying to jam too much information about the plot into the blurb, including plot twist after plot twist. It's supposed to make me read the book, not tell me the plot.

Just out of curiosity, what do you guys think of this attempt:

quote:

The Terran Union and the alien Qin have been at war for over twenty years. Neither the human Army nor the Qin space fleet have been able to break the stalemate. But now the biggest offensive in human history is about to unfold. In the Summer System, 50 Million soldiers and an armada of warships have gathered to take back the first human planet that fell to the Qin.

Leading the way are Captain Gavin McCloud's 5th Rangers. Tasked with finding and destroying a key orbital defense battery, his elite soldiers expect an easy task. For McCloud, it is more than that. It is about revenge for his murdered mother and enslaved siblings, taken by the Qin years ago. When they find the battery defended by humans instead of Qin, Captain McCloud must face an enemy he never expected.

The fate of the invasion hangs in the balance...

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Dr. Kloctopussy posted:

CAPTIN GAVIN MCCLOUD IS OUT FOR REVENGE.

15 YEARS AGO THE ALIEN QIN SLAUGHTERED HIS MOTHER AND TOOK HIS BROTHER AND SISTER AS SLAVES.

NOW HE'S OUTSIDE THEIR BIGGEST BASE, AND HE'S READY TO FIGHT, BUT IT'S NOT THE QIN WHO ARE SHOOTING BACK. IT'S HUMANS.

kitten posted:

COULD IT BE HIS MISSING FAMILY SHOOTING AT HIM?

* throws money at the screen *

Yooper
Apr 30, 2012


Thanks for the feedback guys, it just wasn't ringing with me either.

But I tell yah, I walk away for 8 hours and I come back to the Readers Digest version.

kitten posted:

COULD IT BE HIS MISSING FAMILY SHOOTING AT HIM?

:ssh:

I like yours archangel, it fits the bill quite well.

AbrahamLincolnLog
Oct 1, 2014

Note to self: This one's the shitty one
People mentioned earlier in the thread that some obscure websites sometimes have huge sales on Scrivener. Any sales like that going on right now? I'd love to try it out but don't really want to spend $30 on it.

Dr. Kloctopussy
Apr 22, 2003

"It's time....to DIE!"

AbrahamLincolnLog posted:

People mentioned earlier in the thread that some obscure websites sometimes have huge sales on Scrivener. Any sales like that going on right now? I'd love to try it out but don't really want to spend $30 on it.

Yeah, Jalumibnkrayal posted a link to one on literally the last page.

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Sulla Faex
May 14, 2010

No man ever did me so much good, or enemy so much harm, but I repaid him with ENDLESS SHITPOSTING
Triple check that poo poo before you buy, its often not the latest version (and with no upgrades included in the license) or the 'wrong' OS

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