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02-6611-0142-1
Sep 30, 2004

So yesterday I was watching an aggro drunk guy getting escorted out of a bar with that standing kimura thing you see in movies. Then, uhh, last night I had a dream where the police were escorting me out of a bar and I countered it with a flying omoplata and then all the cops said "awesome move, bro" and let me go free and keep drinking because they were so impressed.

Is there actually any way to escape that thing, or is it on way too deep by that point? The one where they control one elbow and then ram your wrist (way too high) into your upper back? Extremely serious power-fantasy dream based discussion.

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afatwhiteloaf
Oct 19, 2012
It's called a hammerlock and you can get out of it by letting the police officer cuff you.

Novum
May 26, 2012

That's how we roll
Also you can spin around the outside and put THEM in a hammerlock.

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

02-6611-0142-1 posted:

So yesterday I was watching an aggro drunk guy getting escorted out of a bar with that standing kimura thing you see in movies. Then, uhh, last night I had a dream where the police were escorting me out of a bar and I countered it with a flying omoplata and then all the cops said "awesome move, bro" and let me go free and keep drinking because they were so impressed.

Is there actually any way to escape that thing, or is it on way too deep by that point? The one where they control one elbow and then ram your wrist (way too high) into your upper back? Extremely serious power-fantasy dream based discussion.

You basically just turn your wrist so your thumb is pointing down and turn towards the restrained arm, like a teacup warmup. Or if you don't care about going to the ground you can do the same kind of sit sweeps you'd use to escape a standing full nelson.

e: alternatively, let them slowly overpower you to your back before kipping up and landing a vertical suplex

Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Sep 23, 2015

02-6611-0142-1
Sep 30, 2004

Mechafunkzilla posted:

You basically just turn your wrist so your thumb is pointing down and turn towards the restrained arm, like a teacup warmup. Or if you don't care about going to the ground you can do the same kind of sit sweeps you'd use to escape a standing full nelson.

Oh my god. You really could do a flying attack off that. My subconscious knows some poo poo my conscious mind doesn't.

See you in hell nerds, I'm going on a crime spree

Kekekela
Oct 28, 2004
reddit has an AMA with Sebastian Broche in progress.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

02-6611-0142-1 posted:

Oh my god. You really could do a flying attack off that. My subconscious knows some poo poo my conscious mind doesn't.

See you in hell nerds, I'm going on a crime spree

if you try to counter a cop's low aggro joint based compliance they will probably slam you on the ground and beat you up with their 3 other friends and/or weapons they carry for just such an occasion.

02-6611-0142-1
Sep 30, 2004

Too late, I'm in jail and dead. It was worth it.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xStCMciXpGU&hd=1

DAS Super!
Jul 26, 2007
You should probably pay more attention to your log.
/
:backtowork:
http://ibjjf.org/

Live stream of Masters Worlds.

Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

The refs are wearing pocket squares that match their ties. Classy.

edits: whoops, it's a badge or something

Sweaty IT Nerd fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Sep 26, 2015

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"
:toot::birddrugs::toot:

Hey EmmyOk, here is the grappling thread.

I had one thought about your intro night - when I got into a MMA gym their intro lesson was laughably easy and fun compared to what the actual class was about. They didn't want to scare off people. If your lesson isn't painful, it will be once you join the gym.

But I will say fencing cardio should serve you pretty well if you are fairly intense in what you do. When I was ranked in high school I trained four nights a week and was in the best shape of my life.

Let us know how your lesson goes!

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

Captain Log posted:

Hey EmmyOk, here is the grappling thread.

I had one thought about your intro night - when I got into a MMA gym their intro lesson was laughably easy and fun compared to what the actual class was about. They didn't want to scare off people. If your lesson isn't painful, it will be once you join the gym.

But I will say fencing cardio should serve you pretty well if you are fairly intense in what you do. When I was ranked in high school I trained four nights a week and was in the best shape of my life.

Let us know how your lesson goes!

Neat! Like you were saying cardio may not be an issue (though I still expect to end up tired by the end) but it will probably make loads of muscles I never normally use ache! I assume normal workout clothes are what's expected for me to bring and I won't have to have a gi or anything?

fake edit: because it is too late to respond there again, re your small question yeah the embassy was the advice my pal said to give you. Apparently it's very tedious and that's the best place to start.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005
If you're in shape for any other sport the warmups are unlikely to be that big a deal, but no matter how good a shape you're in randori is going to exhaust you until you get used to it.

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

fatherdog posted:

If you're in shape for any other sport the warmups are unlikely to be that big a deal, but no matter how good a shape you're in randori is going to exhaust you until you get used to it.

Yeah that makes sense. Even though I was in shape when I started swimming it took a while until I was able to get used to it because it was so different to everything else I did. There is an Atos place in town that sounds neat, I dunno if that name is familiar at all though. There website certainly made out it was amazing. There is also SBG but they are more MMA and I'm just mainly interested in the BJJ. They do an introductory class on Saturday at 11 so I am pretty excited to try that!

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

EmmyOk posted:

Yeah that makes sense. Even though I was in shape when I started swimming it took a while until I was able to get used to it because it was so different to everything else I did. There is an Atos place in town that sounds neat, I dunno if that name is familiar at all though. There website certainly made out it was amazing. There is also SBG but they are more MMA and I'm just mainly interested in the BJJ. They do an introductory class on Saturday at 11 so I am pretty excited to try that!

Atos are a very good team, as are SBG actually. My advice would be to take an intro class at both places and see which one you feel more comfortable at.

Kekekela
Oct 28, 2004

EmmyOk posted:

There is an Atos place in town that sounds neat, I dunno if that name is familiar at all though. There website certainly made out it was amazing.
Yeah, they're big time. I've never trained there but their reputation is for pretty intense training sessions.

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

Ok that's neat! I'll definitely try both, though I am fencing on Sunday for a competition so I will probably leave it till the following weekend because the trainings sound exacting.

Kekekela
Oct 28, 2004
Going through Jiu Jitsu University again for the first time in a couple years. I really wasn't expecting to get a whole lot out of a reread, but I've been really amazed how many good tips I'm getting out of it that more or less flew over my head when I was first starting out.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Kekekela posted:

Going through Jiu Jitsu University again for the first time in a couple years. I really wasn't expecting to get a whole lot out of a reread, but I've been really amazed how many good tips I'm getting out of it that more or less flew over my head when I was first starting out.

I got a copy last week. I've only read the intro and first chapter (besides giving the "submissions" chapter a browse) and already people are complimenting me on how good my defense has gotten in a short span.

Though some blue belts yelled at me for trying to get to the "scoop."

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

What's "The Scoop"?

Decades
Apr 12, 2007

College Slice
Is that the sitting back escape where he kinda slumps down into it to release the hooks? I also found that one a little funny, compared to the usual "two on one, pass arm over your head, get your shoulders on the mat" escape. Fantastic book in any case though.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


KildarX posted:

What's "The Scoop"?

It's a defensive position in back control. It works by sliding yourself lower down your opponent's hips so that you can spread your feet and achieve a wider base to prevent being rolled, and so that your opponent has to hold himself up to reliably attack you.

Decades posted:

Is that the sitting back escape where he kinda slumps down into it to release the hooks? I also found that one a little funny, compared to the usual "two on one, pass arm over your head, get your shoulders on the mat" escape. Fantastic book in any case though.

Yeah I don't have the book handy, but I think he has that under his list of "do not do this defense" defenses with the comment that anyone who is really good at back control will have your neck as soon as you hit the two-on-one. Also, the "white belt" section is full of defensive positions and not escapes.

Decades
Apr 12, 2007

College Slice

CommonShore posted:

Also, the "white belt" section is full of defensive positions and not escapes.

True. I also do not have the book handy. In any case to be clear it should go without saying that I trust there's extensive reasoning behind it and would not try and correct Saulo loving Ribeiro.

Why did the blue belts correct you exactly? They were just unfamiliar with the position?

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Decades posted:

True. I also do not have the book handy. In any case to be clear it should go without saying that I trust there's extensive reasoning behind it and would not try and correct Saulo loving Ribeiro.

Why did the blue belts correct you exactly? They were just unfamiliar with the position?

Yeah they assumed I was doing a bad job of turning into my opponent, and then said that if I went that low and turned I'd get triangled. I didn't argue with them and say "well I was doing something else..." because I'm a white belt and I'm there to learn.

I now have the book handy:

Saulo loving Ribero posted:

Arm Pull Escape
As in the previous posture, I have mistakenly bridged back into Xande, and I am still completely under the control of his over and under grip. Some try to use this technique to pull their opponent off them by grabbing his arm like a shoulder throw. Although this strategy can sometimes pull your opoponent off the Back, it is strength dependant. A wise opponent will simply seize the moment and control with his grip or transition to a choking technique.

This is a good point for the position I was in that time too, because the guy on me was 30 lbs bigger and way stronger than me. I cannot even break the guy's grips when he has my gi unless I'm 100% fresh in my arms.

Ribero also has remarks about how going to the side can result in being trapped and so forth. Checking his "Escapes" section, his back escape to full guard doesn't involve two-on-one on the arm. Rather, he uses the elbow to open a path and turn into the opponent.

02-6611-0142-1
Sep 30, 2004

I've been doing the scoop since I was a beginner, and I've only recently started going for the 2-on-1 thing. I feel like the scoop takes you from a terrible position to one that's merely bad, but the 2-on-1 gives you a darce and dominant position, so I'm willing to accept a greater degree of risk.

Tell you what I loving love though, the armbar escapes from that book. Triangling your arms together and then grabbing their legs? I love that.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


02-6611-0142-1 posted:

I've been doing the scoop since I was a beginner, and I've only recently started going for the 2-on-1 thing. I feel like the scoop takes you from a terrible position to one that's merely bad, but the 2-on-1 gives you a darce and dominant position, so I'm willing to accept a greater degree of risk.

Tell you what I loving love though, the armbar escapes from that book. Triangling your arms together and then grabbing their legs? I love that.

ohhhhh poo poo it does!

:jiggled:

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice
I haven't had anything to add lately so here's a half hour of Neil Adams yelling about things

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUVHuBxijhQ

Slaapaav
Mar 3, 2006

by Azathoth
high level judo is pretty fun to watch. I didnt expect to see so many subs

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

Kaori Icho won every single one of her matches at the recent World Championships by 10-0 tech fall :stare: The look on her final opponent's face is something else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyH-kdyZx1M

Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

Wow, domination. A lot of them looked shell shocked.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


I got to play around with a high-(ish)-level competitive judoka yesterday a bit. Was a good time. Much of my experience was seeing the throws he was going to land on me come from a mile away and not being able to do anything to stop them.

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

colonel_korn posted:

Kaori Icho won every single one of her matches at the recent World Championships by 10-0 tech fall :stare: The look on her final opponent's face is something else.



Couldn't even get gold at the 2002 Asian Games, not impressed :colbert:

Tezcatlipoca
Sep 18, 2009

Mechafunkzilla posted:



Couldn't even get gold at the 2002 Asian Games, not impressed :colbert:

:stare: That is a hell of a lot of jewelry.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

c-spam cannot afford



How long until she gets signed to the UFC to get knocked out by Rousey?

afatwhiteloaf
Oct 19, 2012
She's 31 years old and has said in interviews in the past that she has no desire to pursue anything other than freestyle wrestling.

Miching Mallecho
May 24, 2010

:yeshaha:
icho's okay but she's no Saori Yoshida



If anyone wants to see every match from the 2015 world championships, United World Wrestling has all of them on their YouTube page

https://m.youtube.com/user/WrestlingTV/playlists?shelf_id=79&sort=dd&view=50

Search for Kyle Snyder and Burroughs to see some great technical wrestling.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x2ibCC0Czic
^Robby Smith being a modern day Rocky in Greco.

Search for Adeline Gray and Helen maroulis to see the two best U.S. Female wrestlers at the moment.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpm_0OnRiuQ

^^That one is Leigh Jaynes Provisor winning bronze, she's 34 years old.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLWfeskasuOjCMS6a5TzxF4KJQInpvqwAM&v=5HLyaGVk5x8
^^^
This match stuck with me because it was a come from behind victory

The 2015 world championships were really cool.

Opal
May 10, 2005

some by their splendor rival the colors of the painters, others the flame of burning sulphur or of fire quickened by oil.

Miching Mallecho posted:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLWfeskasuOjCMS6a5TzxF4KJQInpvqwAM&v=5HLyaGVk5x8
^^^
This match stuck with me because it was a come from behind victory

The 2015 world championships were really cool.

Two questions:

1) Is the ref especially tough with his action calls or is that what freestyle is like?
2) What does "no fingers" mean?

Miching Mallecho
May 24, 2010

:yeshaha:

Opal posted:

Two questions:

1) Is the ref especially tough with his action calls or is that what freestyle is like?
2) What does "no fingers" mean?

1) that's what freestyle is like now.

2) no grabbing or interlocking hands with one another.

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Yuns
Aug 19, 2000

There is an idea of a Yuns, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.

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