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Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

WescottF1 posted:

Part of the problem is that most browsers come set with Bing or Google as a default. I work at a Help Desk and the number of people who are completely incapable of just going straight to a website I am trying to direct them to vs. using a search engine first is absolutely maddening. If I'm doing remote support usually the first thing I do is shut that browser feature off.
Meh, it's a convenience feature. Like if I want to find the results for last weekend's sportsball game I could go to sportsball.com and find it, but it's going to be much faster to just type "sportsball September 2015 results" in the location bar and let Google find a direct link for it, or in many cases it will just display the information I wanted on the search result page.

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Magnus Praeda
Jul 18, 2003
The largess in the land.

Collateral Damage posted:

Meh, it's a convenience feature. Like if I want to find the results for last weekend's sportsball game I could go to sportsball.com and find it, but it's going to be much faster to just type "sportsball September 2015 results" in the location bar and let Google find a direct link for it, or in many cases it will just display the information I wanted on the search result page.

Yes, but you're aware that you could type sportsball.com in the address bar and go directly there. He's talking about people that go to the location bar, type http://www.google.com hit enter, go down to the google search box, type http://www.sportsball.com hit enter again, and click on the first link that comes up. They're not using any "convenience features", they're just technologically illiterate.

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007

Magnus Praeda posted:

Yes, but you're aware that you could type sportsball.com in the address bar and go directly there. He's talking about people that go to the location bar, type http://www.google.com hit enter, go down to the google search box, type http://www.sportsball.com hit enter again, and click on the first link that comes up. They're not using any "convenience features", they're just technologically illiterate.

Holy poo poo huge comic. http://i.imgur.com/S6C7QIY.jpg

Imagined has a new favorite as of 17:49 on Sep 30, 2015

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Happens everyday at my job. Also happens, "Why aren't you seeing those ads that always pop-up?" and, "Why do you always make the font so tiny?"

To which the only replies are not, "because I have a Chrome extension that's an adblocker," nor "Because 100% DPI scaling is not tiny if you wore corrective eyewear," but a simple shrug. I have tried the honest, helpful answers and I get the 'change-is-terrifying' stammer of excuses.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Jerry Cotton posted:

One might think paper is light, but since a euro pallet of books is basically a solid 120*80*n cm³ block of paper, books are actually really loving heavy to transport compared to a pallet stacked to exactly the same height with, say, retail DVDs because that pallet will consist of something like 50%* air.

*) I pulled that number out of my butt of course. Feel free to correct me if you're the likes-to-calculate-the-volume-of-a-DVD-case type of nerd :shrug:

Don't I know it. When bought my house, my move from my apartment included over 3,000 books. Never again. I've been whittling it down ever since, replacing my "must keep because I will read again" books with ebooks (and all new books as ebooks as well) and trying to keep only out of print books and reference materials that are more or less up to date.

So far I've been able to avoid pulping them via recycling by donating to the library and various charity organizations like AmVets, Salvation Army, homeless shelters... The woefully out of date technical books will probably end up recycled.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

I have boxes and boxes of old STTNG books from my youth that I'm too embarrassed to take to a used book store.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

GreenNight posted:

I have boxes and boxes of old STTNG books from my youth that I'm too embarrassed to take to a used book store.

You could pass your virginity to another generation, though!

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


flosofl posted:

Don't I know it. When bought my house, my move from my apartment included over 3,000 books. Never again. I've been whittling it down ever since, replacing my "must keep because I will read again" books with ebooks (and all new books as ebooks as well) and trying to keep only out of print books and reference materials that are more or less up to date.

So far I've been able to avoid pulping them via recycling by donating to the library and various charity organizations like AmVets, Salvation Army, homeless shelters... The woefully out of date technical books will probably end up recycled.

Can confirm. Just moved house this weekend past. A friend who was amazing and offered to move stuff while I had to go to work told me today 'I am never moving your unlabeled boxes again".

I kinda forgot a few boxes were 1980s era Encyclopedia Britannica sets ...

Fake edit: Shoulda just had Encarta or a piece of paper with a tinyurl hand written of wikipedia.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Wasabi the J posted:

You could pass your virginity to another generation, though!

The Next Generation

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Humphreys posted:

Can confirm. Just moved house this weekend past. A friend who was amazing and offered to move stuff while I had to go to work told me today 'I am never moving your unlabeled boxes again".

I kinda forgot a few boxes were 1980s era Encyclopedia Britannica sets ...

Fake edit: Shoulda just had Encarta or a piece of paper with a tinyurl hand written of wikipedia.

When we last moved I got a couple of big boxes for my wife. One was a wardrobe box. Probably small in terms of wardrobe boxes but absolutely gravitationally altering massive for books. That was a fun experience.

tribbledirigible
Jul 27, 2004
I finally beat the internet. The end boss was hard.

KozmoNaut posted:

The Next Generation

:golfclap:

davidspackage
May 16, 2007

Nap Ghost
The big mistake is filling moving boxes to the rim with books. Fill them like halfway or get smaller boxes meant specifically for books.

Note that I've never followed this advice myself

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
I used to save my National Geographics and while moving learned the lesson that just because you can fill a box doesn't mean you should. Still have to be able to pick the drat thing up!

Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

I don't think it's nice, you laughing.

flosofl posted:

The physical printing is a tiny part of the cost of publishing a book. Transportation and logististic costs are not negligible.

Nor are the other ancillary costs that go into publishing a book, but many of those are incurred by ebooks as well (editing, marketing, artwork, etc...)


Humphreys posted:

A lot of that is also to do with the shipping costs involved to return whole books. The ripped covers are what the retailers return to the publisher/distributor/whoever and the book tossed. My friends and I as cheeky teenagers heard of this practice and would raid dumpsters behind the local Newsagency to get our hands on the sweet sweet softcore porno magazines.

Later in life I worked at a newspaper company and our retailers would send the mastheads of all unsold copies back to us for credit.

Yes thanks guys, I do understand all that but my point is that you have an inherent very cheap product in which the physical worth isnt even enough to bother transporting back if unsold. When youre talking about a product that is likely made in the realm of cents and sold at rrp over $20 regularly then you have a high margin of profit once all is said and done.

And as you said, Ebooks still suffer from otherwise the same overheads in editing and the like.

GreenNight posted:

I have boxes and boxes of old STTNG books from my youth that I'm too embarrassed to take to a used book store.

Ebay that poo poo. Theres plenty of nerds out there to collect those things and they generally fetch reasonable amounts per books.

Krispy Kareem posted:

When we last moved I got a couple of big boxes for my wife. One was a wardrobe box. Probably small in terms of wardrobe boxes but absolutely gravitationally altering massive for books. That was a fun experience.

Banana boxes from the supermarket are the best boxes for books. Strong as poo poo and carry handles as well.

Nutsngum has a new favorite as of 18:20 on Oct 1, 2015

AFewBricksShy
Jun 19, 2003

of a full load.



Nutsngum posted:



Banana boxes from the supermarket are the best boxes for books. Strong as poo poo and carry handles as well.

When I last moved I used copy paper boxes for moving books. They are perfectly sized, because they are already figured at the right size for carrying that weight.

Grassy Knowles
Apr 4, 2003

"The original Terminator was a gritty fucking AMAZING piece of sci-fi. Gritty fucking rock-hard MURDER!"

Krispy Kareem posted:

When we last moved I got a couple of big boxes for my wife. One was a wardrobe box. Probably small in terms of wardrobe boxes but absolutely gravitationally altering massive for books. That was a fun experience.

davidspackage posted:

The big mistake is filling moving boxes to the rim with books. Fill them like halfway or get smaller boxes meant specifically for books.

Note that I've never followed this advice myself

A small wardrobe box is the size of a small adult person. The mistake here is whoever was filling that box needs constant supervision due to the threat of inadvertant self-harm when sharpening a pencil.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
Milk crates aren't still the de-facto book-moving implement?

Magnus Praeda
Jul 18, 2003
The largess in the land.

Wasabi the J posted:

Milk crates aren't still the de-facto book-moving implement?

Milk crates are for moving vinyl or carboys. I use document storage boxes for moving books. They're designed for paper, have handles, are durable and reusable, and have a separate lid.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry

Nutsngum posted:

Banana boxes from the supermarket are the best boxes for books. Strong as poo poo and carry handles as well.

Booze boxes from liquor stores. Waterproof, tough as hell, and small enough that you won't go overboard packing them.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
Banana boxes are cool and all, but liquor store boxes are sturdy and make you look cool.

Kaizoku posted:

A small wardrobe box is the size of a small adult person. The mistake here is whoever was filling that box needs constant supervision due to the threat of inadvertant self-harm when sharpening a pencil.

I'm not going to disagree with your assessment. I remember when I brought in the boxes she was so excited. I had no idea why until I tried to move the box (on the day we had to be out of there, when she was already at the new place). I still have floaters in my retinas from the strain.

RabbitWizard
Oct 21, 2008

Muldoon
Please go to the post-your-favorite-box-thread, thanks. My cats will surely reply to you there.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!
Boxes are neither obsolete nor failed.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

None of these Trek paperbacks are worth anything on eBay. There are shelves full of them down at the used book store. They are in boxes next to my Dragonlance books.

Nutsngum
Oct 9, 2004

I don't think it's nice, you laughing.

GreenNight posted:

None of these Trek paperbacks are worth anything on eBay. There are shelves full of them down at the used book store. They are in boxes next to my Dragonlance books.

drat, first time nerds have failed in their collecting duties.

Ill give you 400 quatloos for the softcovers.

GOTTA STAY FAI
Mar 24, 2005

~no glitter in the gutter~
~no twilight galaxy~
College Slice

GreenNight posted:

None of these Trek paperbacks are worth anything on eBay. There are shelves full of them down at the used book store. They are in boxes next to my Dragonlance books.

Banana boxes, liquor boxes, document storage boxes, or wardrobe boxes?

Grassy Knowles
Apr 4, 2003

"The original Terminator was a gritty fucking AMAZING piece of sci-fi. Gritty fucking rock-hard MURDER!"

GOTTA STAY FAI posted:

Banana boxes, liquor boxes, document storage boxes, or wardrobe boxes?

Soggy boxes of all varieties, porous or not it's wet.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Banker boxes.

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light

AFewBricksShy posted:

When I last moved I used copy paper boxes for moving books. They are perfectly sized, because they are already figured at the right size for carrying that weight.

Seconding this. In my last move, I bought some egg crate sized boxes to move books and DVDs. They weighed a loving ton. I get copy paper boxes from work and while you'll make more trips, they are much easier to handle.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

I feel like I'm being set up for the biggest Metal Gear Solid reference.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
Metal Gear?

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

I wonder how long the Metal Gear Solid games would all be if you removed all dumb questions from the dialogue.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

KozmoNaut posted:

The Next Generation

Sadly, past experience on this forum has shown that Star Trek fans are more likely to take away the virginity of the next generation than to pass on their own.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Jedit posted:

Sadly, past experience on this forum has shown that Star Trek fans are more likely to take away the virginity of the next generation than to pass on their own.

Hmm, well my girlfriend is 9 years younger than me, but plenty of years legal.

GOTTA STAY FAI
Mar 24, 2005

~no glitter in the gutter~
~no twilight galaxy~
College Slice

Jerry Cotton posted:

I wonder how long the Metal Gear Solid games would all be if you removed all dumb questions from the dialogue.

Dumb questions?

Antifreeze Head
Jun 6, 2005

It begins
Pillbug

Jedit posted:

Sadly, past experience on this forum has shown that Star Trek fans are more likely to take away the virginity of the next generation than to pass on their own.

:vince:

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light
Back in the late 80s, I worked for a locally owned grocery store that had in house charge accounts. We used NCR registers like this one (ours were brown):



We had three and the third one was the master unit that had a cassette drive in it to record not only charge transactions, but daily sales info as well.

At the end of the day, we would clear out the registers and take the tape out. It would then be put into a device called a "Byte Bucket" (I have never been able to find a picture). It was an industrial cassette reader about 6" square and about a foot long. It was attached via RS232 cable to one of these:



A program would read the tape and create a file (on a 5.25" floppy) to be used by the in house charge account software housed in a regular PC clone. I never found put why they couldn't attach the cassette reader to the PC.

The software read the file and updated the customers' accounts and produced sales reports for the day. At the end of the month, we ran statements which were printed using a wide carriage dot matrix printer. All in all, it would take about three hours to run not including mailing out the statements.

Since the company who designed the software hadn't provided a user manual AND went out of business not long after, I was tasked with coming up with one. It's amazing how many steps there are when you break it down.

I left the store, but for several years afterward I would be called in to re-install the software when it went wonky. They were still using my instructions, now torn and repaired numerous times.

When they moved the store to a new location, they ditched the charge accounts and started accepting credit cards.

Despite the ridiculous number of steps involved, it worked quite well, and rarely malfunctioned.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

GOTTA STAY FAI posted:

Dumb questions?

They're a special type of interrogative utterance developed with current linguistic technology, GOTTA STAY FAI.

muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン
Linguistic technology...

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

muike posted:

Linguistic technology...

muike this is Naomi Champski. I developed dumb questions while I was working as a NACLO judge. If you want to learn more about linguistic technology contact me at this frequency.

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Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Mister Kingdom posted:


At the end of the day, we would clear out the registers and take the tape out. It would then be put into a device called a "Byte Bucket" (I have never been able to find a picture). It was an industrial cassette reader about 6" square and about a foot long. It was attached via RS232 cable to one of these:


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