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Irrational Man
Aug 10, 2004

Sarsapariller posted:

I agree with you, former employees are a very weak evidence if that was all it was. But their assertions have been backed up over and over again- there's photo evidence that she used the office for her theater project. There's now confirmation from Chris himself that they are married, which (indirectly) confirms that they've been trying to suppress it all this time. There's evidence that multiple people literally walked out on the 25th. DS said she'd had a screaming fit. The next day she was on a livestream and her voice was wrecked, they claimed it was from a cold. Then on top of all of that you've got people making the claim that she is an HR disaster.

One data point is circumstantial. Dozens of data points, all pointing in the same direction? I'm not saying "You're a fool if you don't believe it." It's certainly not direct proof in the form of a voice recording or something. But I'd be willing to place 80% probability on her being an awful human being, at least. More than enough for forum mockery purposes.

I'm just sayin' all those data points can be explained in terms that don't implicate Sandi as being a terrible human being. But if you are predisposed to think that way (misogyny) then it seems obvious to connect the dots in such a way that it is dispositive that she is. However, that is not indicative of the true state of affairs so much as it is (indicative of) a strong bias against women. I say lets give her the benefit of the doubt.

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CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

"..."

Jethro_E7 posted:

My question relates to the guy who refused to stop spending even after his wife did an intervention and subsequently left him. Is he getting back with her now?

You mean this guy?



Not sure what happened to that guy...and that just makes me worry all the more for his soul.

Roflan
Nov 25, 2007

CEOs, and other powerful/high profile people, do that all the time but they usually use surrogates. CR not using a surrogate is an example of incompetence.

Adventure Pigeon
Nov 8, 2005

I am a master storyteller.

KiddieGrinder posted:

It's like a peek inside their mind.

I'm sure every other CEO does the same thing, but they keep it professional and don't air it in public.

Croberts breaks all the rules, he's such a bad boy. :allears:

"Hmmm... what are the two worst things I could possibly mention as a game producer. Yep, there we go. Together on one page. Now to make some wild accusations about a reporter and throw in some screenshots of tweets aaaaaand... perfect! Now to just sit back and watch the screen with my weird droopy eyes as my letter storms the media and restores Star Citizen to greatness. Hm. I wonder if Sandi's done beating the intern, she'd like this."

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
So did CR actually refute any claims there? Or are we still in the Baghdad Bob phase?

KiddieGrinder
Nov 15, 2005

HELP ME

Literally Kermit posted:

Anyone know what I am talking about, seen this? It is worth digging up because it is extremely loving relevant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf31MzNgnNk

Not that is it?

Gwaihir
Dec 8, 2009
Hair Elf

Adventure Pigeon posted:

"Hmmm... how do I calm the agitated masses and restore dignity to my game in this time of trouble"

*begins to type out the word 'Gamergate'*

This is the best post to grace all of the star citizen threads

Soothing Vapors
Mar 26, 2006

Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.

Truga posted:

So did CR actually refute any claims there? Or are we still in the Baghdad Bob phase?

According to the reddit thread, he dealt the "detractors" a fatal blow and possibly brought the Escapist to its knees

Soothing Vapors
Mar 26, 2006

Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.

Adventure Pigeon posted:

"Hmmm... how do I calm the agitated masses and restore dignity to my game in this time of trouble"

*begins to type out the word 'Gamergate'*

lol

Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.

Truga posted:

So did CR actually refute any claims there? Or are we still in the Baghdad Bob phase?

It seemed more like a Chewbacca defence than a Bagdhad Bob denial.

thatguy
Feb 5, 2003

Literally Kermit posted:

I am trying to remember something I read, it was good comedy but chances are it was on this forum anyway.

In it a man is talking conversationally like "get a load of this poo poo I pulled" and as he goes on he talks more about selling imaginary spaceships for cash and is obviously Chris Roberts. He isn't even being super-malicious in tone, he was more like "i can't believe it actually worked and now I am rich ha ha"

Anyone know what I am talking about, seen this? It is worth digging up because it is extremely loving relevant.
It's in the "Lord British" griefing thread.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Tippis posted:

It seemed more like a Chewbacca defence than a Bagdhad Bob denial.

:laffo:

Adventure Pigeon
Nov 8, 2005

I am a master storyteller.
With all the jokes with Chris Roberts photoshopped over Tony Montana before the giant coke pile, I wonder if this is going to end with hundreds of enraged nerds storming his mansion.

Lord of Garbagemen
Jan 28, 2014

Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Just asked for my refund of 40$, yay this game is finally dead.

sorla78
Oct 11, 2012

EAT THE PAIN AWAY!
wow - so much pain.

KiddieGrinder
Nov 15, 2005

HELP ME

Lord of Garbagemen posted:

Just asked for my refund of 40$, yay this game is finally dead.

I'm really tempted to as well, but do they only put it in paypal? I hate paypal and I don't want to gently caress with it. :(

Literally Kermit
Mar 4, 2012
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No I am pretty sure it was all text. That is awesome though, thank you!

I remember a line about him mentioning his ex-pornstar girlfriend or something. It was kinda crude in tone.

Edit: that has to be it, I remember rooting through that thread a few months back! I will try digging it up later when i am not on a ipad

Literally Kermit fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Oct 1, 2015

Adventure Pigeon
Nov 8, 2005

I am a master storyteller.

Tippis posted:

It seemed more like a Chewbacca defence than a Bagdhad Bob denial.

Yeah, I became really confused about when twitter screenshots showed up, so I guess it was working?

Iridium
Apr 4, 2002

Wretched Harp
hey if, for whatever unbelievable reason, we have an insider here that works at the Santa Monica office that's been lurking here

i think we'd all appreciate it if you could drop some sort of anonymous note when Ben starts crying.

Sarsapariller
Aug 14, 2015

Occasional vampire queen

Truga posted:

So did CR actually refute any claims there? Or are we still in the Baghdad Bob phase?

He said that they licensed the Turbulent software but did not invest in it for sale, which conflicts with Turbulent's own site and the article.

He said that he didn't spend any backer cash on cars/mansions.

Beyond that, mostly a wash.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
Honestly, I didn't think that this would happen during my commute home. My sides hurt, this is the best.

Doctor d_smart. Not the hero we need, but the hero we deserve.

A Neurotic Jew
Feb 17, 2012

by exmarx
Smart just put this out - http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sniofq

quote:

In July, after I got wind of the Star Citizen project in trouble, unable to deliver, backer money being wasted, I started to investigate it.

I got in touch with Chris to try and get some more details from him. He ignored both of my inquiries on LinkedIn and Facebook.

So I continued with my research and subsequently published that first blog, Interstellar Citizens.

http://www.dereksmart.org/2015/07/interstellar-citizens/

Then, in what can only be described as sheer madness, they lost their minds and made it personal.

They canceled my backer account, and refunded me. Without my asking.

Then to make matters worse, they sent out a press statement about my being refunded, and my account canceled.

http://www.pcgamer.com/derek-smart-star-citizen/

Then tried to make it look like I had somehow violated their ToS for the game and the website.

Problem is 1) I have never posted on their forums 2) I have never downloaded the game due it not being complete nor playable. They actually confirmed this in their legal response letter as mentioned in this blog.

http://www.dereksmart.com/2015/09/star-citizen-the-long-con/

Then they doubled down when Ben Lesnick in customer service, made a public forum post about it.

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/5304637/#Comment_5304637

All these actions were taken in obvious retaliation for the blog and the fact that it got widespread release in the media.

As you can now see, they simply made it worse by making themselves subject to the Streisand Effect.

They bet on my being completely vilified for writing an opinion based and technical blog. Forgetting that I have been a fixture of this industry for almost 30 years and that sort of tenure has its merits.

So I kept digging and writing. All the while Chris and Sandra kept making defamatory statements about me both in writing and in person. And there are people willing to be deposed under oath about the aforementioned statements.

edit: meh nothing all that exciting or new. carry on.

Sushi in Yiddish
Feb 2, 2008

Christ (Roberts) this thread moves fast.

Soothing Vapors posted:

I wish more CEOs would respond to articles by making personal attacks on the reporter

it';s refreshing

The only better thing for a game maker to do is perhaps threatening Gabe Newel's life but this does come close.

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!
Consider this. If Chris Roberts says the truth, everyone else is a liar.

sorla78
Oct 11, 2012

EAT THE PAIN AWAY!
As it stands Chris R seemed to have entered the ring with a verbal This is Bullshit, and there's not much he can do now.

Either he releases a financial statement as requested by Derek Smart and he is showing the world that CIG is indeed in a financially stable position
or he releases Squadron 42 next week, everything else seems to end in Star Citizen going Supernova.

Fun times ahead. I could hear Ortwin screaming, No Chris, Noooo. Also why the hell is he trying to pull in Gamergate.

Interesting that SA forums have pretty much uncovered most of the points raised by the article of escapist (which also makes me really wonder if there really were any sources involved at all) There's nothing really in there, that we didn't know already from the last thread.

Unless DS is slamdunking the whole thing with his big uncover on Citizencon Day.

Sh4
Feb 8, 2009

quote:


-Employees have indicated that Star Citizen and all of the promised stretch goals, “even with competent management,” could not be made for $90 million

CR:
How do you or they know this? Which employees said this and what makes them qualified to make that judgement? I know it’s what Derek Smart loves to say but he couldn’t make a good game with $200m so I don’t think his opinion matters.


:captainpop: :iceburn:

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

quote:

And there are people willing to be deposed under oath about the aforementioned statements.

I wonder if this includes legal.

:woof:


vvv: Likely because dissenters have been rightfully banned!

Truga fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Oct 1, 2015

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

Paladinus posted:

Consider this. If Chris Roberts says the truth, everyone else is a liar.

This is the view on reddit and the rsi forums.

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

This poo poo is really loving with my productivity today. But it's like a car accident on a motorway. You just can't help but rubberneck and gawk for as long as possible.

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

"..."

sorla78 posted:

Interesting that SA forums have pretty much uncovered most of the points raised by the article of escapist (which also makes me really wonder if there really were any sources involved at all) There's nothing really in there, that we didn't know already from the last thread.

There is a significant difference between speculation, based on what some goons can see from the outside, and 7-9 employees coming from different e-mail addresses of people, that were confirmed to have worked for CIG, being able to confirm most of SA's speculation and add some additional poo poo waffles on top to boot.

I mean cripes...I never once remember anyone on the outside so much as hinting that Sandi was racist in the office. Or the internal rage and unprofessional e-mail + office conduct of her and CR. Yet, here we are.

CrazyLoon fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Oct 1, 2015

G0RF
Mar 19, 2015

Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.

Irrational Man posted:

I say lets give her the benefit of the doubt.
I say lets doubt her benefit.

Irrational Man
Aug 10, 2004

G0RF posted:

I say lets doubt her benefit.

That's really brave of you

A Neurotic Jew
Feb 17, 2012

by exmarx
I would like to cordially invite anyone who will not be asking for a refund at this point to explain why. I can't promise anything from the other participants in the thread but I, at least, will keep an open mind and I am not asking in order to ridicule you. I'm genuinely curious.

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

Literally Kermit posted:

I am trying to remember something I read, it was good comedy but chances are it was on this forum anyway.

In it a man is talking conversationally like "get a load of this poo poo I pulled" and as he goes on he talks more about selling imaginary spaceships for cash and is obviously Chris Roberts. He isn't even being super-malicious in tone, he was more like "i can't believe it actually worked and now I am rich ha ha"

Anyone know what I am talking about, seen this? It is worth digging up because it is extremely loving relevant.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2886637&pagenumber=493&perpage=40#post445528655

Croberts68 posted:

I have got all of you beat and it's not even by a little bit.


Lets start at the beginning, I'm a moderately successful guy, I've been lucky to work with some really high quality people who have made me look like an absolute rockstar. I actually even got some decent B-List actors to work for me on a few projects and even got a reasonably hot, albeit failed commercial actress to marry me. I was a movie producer for a minute and even though I lost more money than I made, the "hollywood" contacts I made put me in good enough standing to be able to piggyback smaller amount of funding on to larger projects and turn a pretty solid net.

Problem is my wife really started to just grate on me about her getting work, and the loving Turtle of my RL Entourage kept telling people we were gonna make a big gently caress off videogame. So I'm kinda stuck in a weird spot where I just wanna start funding high budget porno and maybe trade in the wife for a different kind of actress before the money starts to come in and she's entitled to a lot more. Seriously, I've never seen a girl with such a long neck not be able to make it down to the balls, but whatever that's not part of this story. So fuckin Turtle gets me stuck telling potential investors about a videogame that I am literally just making up as I talk to them while throwing out some buzzwords I read in Wired, but the crazy part is they start to eat this poo poo up. Talking about the "upward profit paradigm" in gaming starts to get these loving app developers turned investors as hard as a rock so I see a chance to do something.

So I get Turtle to call some friends and we set up on this website where you make empty promises to nerds and they throw cash at you. So I get a youtube made by my buddy Gil who has a business making music videos for teenage girls who think they're gonna be the next Kesha/Iggy and he green screens my poo poo up so I look like pudgy Scottish Spaceman Spiff. I'm thinking we might make like 2 mil and I can finance a 300K game, pocket the rest and start shooting facial scat porn by Q2 2013. But something far crazier happens, loving nerds start making GBS threads their entire lifesavings on my fiscal chest like some kind of Gordon Gecko inspired Cleveland Steamer. By the end of it I'm sitting on like 12 mil. Nerds, dude. Fuckin nerds.


So Now I'm thinking "How far can I ride this gravytrain before I actually have to do anything?" so I start up my own website, hired some kid out of Irvine of Craigslist to do it (because gently caress Angie's List, I ain't paying poo poo to get some pimple faced kid to poo poo out a paypal button and spaceship drawings) and sure enough I've got 30 million USD and loving Turtle has promoted himself to my assistant. Which would be fine but he keeps insisting on setting up his office near mine but that poo poo's on the East side of the building, so every morning it smells like someone is cooking maple bacon when the sunlight hits his chair. But then the dreams started. I kept having this nightmare where it starts off awesome, I'm banging some coked out 19 year old starlet on a space yacht, but then the space-IRS shows up with my wife, they use her cheekbones to cut through my hull and they tell me I'm going to jail for spaceship-fraud.

So I finally decide to actually make it look like I'm going to make a game and I get my little bro, who's actually a pretty bitchin programmer/producer and I get him to hire a bunch of his work buddies to work in our hometown. But then my loving wife decides that our house in Texas sucks so we have to move back to LA and open an office there so she can "pursue her career", I wanted to tell her they don't make fish-stick commercials any more and no one is going to be casting any parts for "Mostly Fuckable Witch" now that Angie Jolie has fallen to doing Disney poo poo other than the Sci Fi channel. But whatever, LA gets me closer to those desperate 23 year old college drop outs that can pass for 18, so I go with it.

Problem with LA is ol' Turtle decides he needs to still be near me, so I end up realizing the Maple bacon smell from his office isn't from the sunlight hitting his chair, it's from him drinking pancake and bacon smoothies. But now I have to look "active" so I start doing a weekly internet interview where nerds ask me stupid rear end questions about the "game" and I answer them. At first they wanted to have some of the nerds who run the site look at the questions first so they could type up answers for me, but I got bored reading their answers 3 questions in and now I'm making a space game where you can play Call of Duty and the Sims at the same time. Seriously kids, stay away from cocaine, I had to be hit with a tranq dart when someone started to ask me about voxels.

But then after like 20 of these one of the guys working on the game decides I can't be trusted talking to people, so he wants to make a new Youtube show. I figure this is my chance to get rid of my two biggest problems, so I get Turtle and my wife to make this fake news show where they get random nerds from IT and poo poo to talk about spaceships and the right way to draw them or whatever while I go to gaming conventions, where pussy flows like wine if you've got a "Special Presenter" Pass, just wish I could have got on this circuit back when Olivia Munn hadn't yet realized she could do better than videogame news.

It also helps that I'm like 70 million deep at this point too, so I'm actually bagging booth babes, not just the girls with low enough self esteem to dress up like animes and not get paid. So I think "what the hell, lets see what happens when I start selling spaceships I just drew in paint and make my dorky brother actually put them in the game, and the weirdest loving thing happens, I make another 20 million and magazines are writing stories about how much of a genius I am. And everytime I tell some nerd about something, it will always make some other nerds so mad they spend days freaking out on the internet. I'm pretty sure if I announce a partnership with My Little Pony, I could probably make 50 million and cause a few dozen suicides.

gently caress I love griefing

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

A Neurotic Jew posted:

I would like to cordially invite anyone who will not be asking for a refund at this point to explain why.

I sold all my poo poo I could ask a refund for a long time ago. I was an original backer from 2012, poo poo was obviously going downhill by the time 2014 hit and dogfight thing got delayed for four six months, so I bailed.

I still have a working account I can't refund or sell, so I'll be riding this trainwreck till the end :v:

KiddieGrinder
Nov 15, 2005

HELP ME

I don't like paypal. :shrug:

eonwe
Aug 11, 2008



Lipstick Apathy
I didn't read this thread for a few hours

What the gently caress

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
FYI, RSI chat is *not* talking about this at all. As if it doesn't exist. There's still people talking of buying more of those science ships and modules.

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Eonwe posted:

I didn't read this thread for a few hours

What the gently caress

shits gone nuclear

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shrach
Jan 10, 2004

daylight ssssaving time
Warren Buffet once said, "Be Fearful When Others Are Greedy and Greedy When Others Are Fearful". Now might be a good time to reconsider asking for a refund and instead double down on any investments.

This post does not constitute investment advice.

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