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Star Citizen is by far the most entertaining game I'll never play. I love everything about this (and the last) thread. I only wish I paid attention to the game sooner, as it would have made the fall that much more sweet.
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Bolow posted:"I'm hungry" “The creatures outside looked from Smart to Roberts, and from Roberts to Smart, and from Smart to Roberts again; but already it was impossible to say which was which”
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Oct 1, 2015 23:31
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Octopode posted:They could release a full, audited financial statement today and the only responses from people in this thread would be either a) they've only got $x left, they're doomed! or b) They've got $x left! Clearly they've been squandering funds away to run off with instead of making the game! It doesn't matter what the value of $x is. Hell, there would probably be both responses simultaneously. The only thing that would make anyone who's already decided the game is a giant scam change their mind is if they released the game, completed, in full, with every possible feature. I was one of the ones saying they should have come out about being married ages ago. Emphasis should have. Revealing it as part of an ad-hominem "They went after my wife and kids!" reaction is exactly the kind of weakness that concealing it in the first place made possible. It was pointless, coy, and ultimately completely futile. I should add that I actually said they'd suppress until it boiled over and then release a letter from Roberts- that is exactly what happened. The important thing about modeling behavior in your head is that you have to be able to say "This will NOT happen." If everything fits into your prediction space, then you are predicting nothing at all. Here are four things that CIG could do that would invalidate my mental model that says they are panicked and have no idea what they are doing. If they do any of these I will happily change my mind, because they are completely outside the realm of possibility if the company is even close to my model of them. 1) Release an interview with a former employee who has nothing but good things to say about them and is not in any way professionally or personally invested in them overcoming this PR disaster. 2) Release an internal audit showing their current finances, where they are spending, and their overall projected budget for finishing the game (bonus points if they could finish with no further funding today). 3) Announce that they are not selling any more ships until the release of one or more parts of their game. 4) Say goodbye to Sandi as she departs to pursue her glorious acting career What is something CIG could do that would indicate to you that your idea of them as a competent game developer was incorrect? Sarsapariller fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Oct 1, 2015 |
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Oct 1, 2015 23:32
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Incidentally for British tax payers, I looked into the tax incentives that can be given to the production of video games in the UK. They are based on your expenditure rather than profits but I do not believe Star Citizen in general would qualify for a number of reasons. Foundry 42 / Squadron 42 could maybe qualify depending on interpretation but thankfully they do not appear to have done so yet. It would also need to be a "culturally British" video game but the bigger stumbling block to receiving the payable tax credits would be the requirement to finish the game. http://www.bfi.org.uk/film-industry/british-certification-tax-relief/cultural-test-video-games
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Oct 1, 2015 23:32
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CrazyLoon posted:Whatever you say, user account with a full page of 'trolling' ban reasons. Jesus cripes guys, you still feeding this chucklefuck and having this awesome thread derail into gamergate bullshit? First of all, the truth is regularly dismissed as trolling when its before its time. Hasn't dsmart taught you anything? Further, its gonna take decades to exorcise the ghost of gamergate and these arguments against Sandi aren't hastening that
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Oct 1, 2015 23:32
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Meanwhile in a review for Line Of Defence:quote:Stephen Hawking runs better then this game. 
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Oct 1, 2015 23:33
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Irrational Man posted:First of all, the truth is regularly dismissed as trolling when its before its time. Hasn't dsmart taught you anything? You have to have a cool down period so people forget about your username then try again.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:33
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AP posted:That's not really true Octopode and I think you know it. I can't even read all of the Chairman's letter because it's that painful and you know how much of this poo poo I read, it's loving terrible PR. He attacked the journalist, he's completely lost the plot and sounds like one of his own fans with the "click bait" bullshit. CIG will continue to be inept at media relations and community management. They always have been. I was only speaking to the proclivities of the people here and elsewhere that don't really care about any of this beyond the entertainment value generated by the crossfire. The same ones spouting stuff about the game not existing or obviously being a scam despite the patently obvious thousands upon thousands of manhours of effort expended on it already, and conveniently waving away any evidence to the contrary. They will always find another reason to justify their viewpoint, no matter how little evidence there is to support it.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:33
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Irrational Man posted:Leave Sandi alone 
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Oct 1, 2015 23:34
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peter gabriel posted:Meanwhile in a review for Line Of Defence: Derek Smart rallying the internet to take down Star Citizen then having them turn on and take his game down afterwards would probably be the most appropriate ending to this whole story.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:34
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2DCAT posted:Star Citizen is by far the most entertaining game I'll never play. I love everything about this (and the last) thread. I only wish I paid attention to the sooner sooner, as it would have made the fall that much more sweet. It's somewhat cathartic, actually.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:35
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Say what you like but Chris going after Derek just because he is black is well out of order imo
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Oct 1, 2015 23:36
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Sedisp posted:You have to have a cool down period so people forget about your username then try again. Try again to do what? Penetrate your deeply rooted sexism? I get that since you've found a convinient excuse to ignore your entrenched prejudice you're gonna run with it since that would be easier, but all that shows is how far we have to go and how necessary Anita and Co. are.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:36
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Sushi in Yiddish posted:Derek Smart rallying the internet to take down Star Citizen then having them turn on and take his game down afterwards would probably be the most appropriate ending to this whole story. If you read his Steam review section for Line Of Defence it's already full of SC defenders
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Oct 1, 2015 23:37
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Octopode posted:CIG will continue to be inept at media relations and community management. They always have been. I was only speaking to the proclivities of the people here and elsewhere that don't really care about any of this beyond the entertainment value generated by the crossfire. The same ones spouting stuff about the game not existing or obviously being a scam despite the patently obvious thousands upon thousands of manhours of effort expended on it already, and conveniently waving away any evidence to the contrary. They will always find another reason to justify their viewpoint, no matter how little evidence there is to support it. I repeat- what is something that, if true, would cause you to re-evaluate your viewpoint?
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Oct 1, 2015 23:39
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peter gabriel posted:Say what you like but Chris going after Derek just because he is black is well out of order imo Which is also technically wrong as DS is partly gray too.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:40
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Octopode posted:CIG will continue to be inept at media relations and community management. They always have been. I was only speaking to the proclivities of the people here and elsewhere that don't really care about any of this beyond the entertainment value generated by the crossfire. The same ones spouting stuff about the game not existing or obviously being a scam despite the patently obvious thousands upon thousands of manhours of effort expended on it already, and conveniently waving away any evidence to the contrary. They will always find another reason to justify their viewpoint, no matter how little evidence there is to support it. I can't imagine how much money you must have given to this project to keep up this sham.
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Octopode posted:CIG will continue to be inept at media relations and community management. They always have been. I was only speaking to the proclivities of the people here and elsewhere that don't really care about any of this beyond the entertainment value generated by the crossfire. The same ones spouting stuff about the game not existing or obviously being a scam despite the patently obvious thousands upon thousands of manhours of effort expended on it already, and conveniently waving away any evidence to the contrary. They will always find another reason to justify their viewpoint, no matter how little evidence there is to support it. I added an edit you maybe missed. "Anyone with any sense would have stopped him writing that, I'm not even sure  would have gone along with it. I think it's probably the most accurate projection of him we're ever seen as he wrote it angry. Not that fake "my poor family" angry, that's been going on for months from Smart, but real "how dare the media print this about me just before Citizen Con" angry."Yeah, maybe so on that but some of us have been watching and giving them a fair chance, despite the grossly overbearing marketing, and events would seem at the moment to prove the concerned were more than right to bail. 9 days to Citizen Con so we'll see what happens.
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Xaerael posted:Shut the gently caress up, Karl "literally a worse poster than Darkpriest667" underscore Ramseier. WOAH WOAH WOAH.. Let's calm down there. NO ONE is a worse poster than I am. I will not have my title stripped from me without some damned good evidence. He's a poo poo poster, sure, but is he as poo poo a poster as I am? Gwaihir posted:Whoa whoa whoa let's not throw around things like "Worse poster than Darkpriest667" lightly. THANK YOU. Jesus. Has everyone lost their minds? EminusSleepus posted:http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/features/14715-CIG-Employees-Talk-Star-Citizen-and-the-State-of-the-Company Holy gently caress, if she said "we're not hiring a black girl" that's loving disgusting. It's one thing to be a bitch, but to be racist is a whole different level of piece of poo poo person. Kimsemus posted:Pointing out the incompetence of CIG should really put into perspective my own. I think I'm going to ask for a raise. poo poo, me too! Well Forbes is doing their usual reporting of reporting and the faithful have gone to attack them. LOL @ OP.. So is Dick Wulf on Suicide watch? What is the over under on suicides from this collapse? 5 or 6? I'm going to go with the over.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:41
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Don't you have to buy a game on Steam to review it? Not that I would put it past SC faithful to give 10$ to their worst enemy as a way of telling him off since they think revenge donating is a good idea. But, really?
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Oct 1, 2015 23:42
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sorla78 posted:Which is also technically wrong as DS is partly gray too. Just goes to show how blind their prejudices really are - sad state of affairs
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Oct 1, 2015 23:42
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shrach posted:Incidentally for British tax payers, I looked into the tax incentives that can be given to the production of video games in the UK. They are based on your expenditure rather than profits but I do not believe Star Citizen in general would qualify for a number of reasons. Foundry 42 / Squadron 42 could maybe qualify depending on interpretation but thankfully they do not appear to have done so yet. It would also need to be a "culturally British" video game but the bigger stumbling block to receiving the payable tax credits would be the requirement to finish the game. That's very interesting. There's a good chance more accounting expertise will be useful as we play "follow the money" later.
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Roflan posted:Don't you have to buy a game on Steam to review it? Not that I would put it past SC faithful to give 10$ to their worst enemy as a way of telling him off since they think revenge donating is a good idea. But, really? Yeah but then you can get a refund if you play it for less than 2 hours, no questions asked. However good luck getting past Dereks title screen and menu in less than 2 hours 
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Oct 1, 2015 23:44
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I really enjoy that there are people who are just releasing solid, or at least complete space games quietly while the battle of endor sized drama explosions are going on.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:44
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AP posted:That's very interesting. There's a good chance more accounting expertise will be useful as we play "follow the money" later. Oh poo poo I forgot to ask my accountant today 
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Oct 1, 2015 23:44
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peter gabriel posted:Oh poo poo I forgot to ask my accountant today Think of the money you saved by not asking him. Maybe buy a nice spaceship.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:47
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Darkpriest667 posted:So is Dick Wulf on Suicide watch?
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KOTAKU's Schreier is weighting in  Thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1119170 post: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=180459500&postcount=82 Originally Posted By: jsschreier Yeah, we've been hearing from and talking to various current and former employees at CIG for a while now. I've spent a ton of time editing and working with others on the team and we've published a couple of things so far. Part of our job is to determine what's relevant, concrete information that's actually worth reporting and what's just gossip from employees who are angry for one reason or another. FWIW, this is one of the most disgusting pieces of reporting I've ever seen, and I'm legit shocked that any professional website would publish something like "It was also claimed that Gardiner used race as a determining factor in selecting employees, allegedly once saying 'We aren't hiring her. We aren't hiring a black girl'" without crystal-clear sourcing and evidence (and without giving the person in question a chance to defend herself). What's really ironic is that the Escapist article's author is a huge figure of GamerGate, a movement about ethics in journalism. sorla78 fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Oct 1, 2015 |
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Oct 1, 2015 23:49
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sorla78 posted:KOTAKU's Schreier is weighting in This is what I've been saying all along. Also its not that ironic when you consider that gamergate is about attacking women.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:49
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peter gabriel posted:
there are no other games, there is only star citizen
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Oct 1, 2015 23:51
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shrach posted:Think of the money you saved by not asking him. Maybe buy a nice spaceship. Ha ha, nah the dude rocks, my parting words to him today were 'Am I alright having a piss?'
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Oct 1, 2015 23:51
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Irrational Man posted:This is what I've been saying all along. Also its not that ironic when you consider that gamergate is about attacking women. 
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Oct 1, 2015 23:52
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quote:I understand that CIG in general is trying to stay far away from drama but this is getting out of hand, what The Escapist did is outright slander and character assassination with calling someone working at CIG racist without a shred of proof beyond a "source" conveniently made secret. without a shred of proof beyond a source
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Sarsapariller posted:I repeat- what is something that, if true, would cause you to re-evaluate your viewpoint? I had a nice long response typed up to your previous post and the internet just ate it, but I'll respond to this again at least. Evidence of forward progress towards the final game stopping. It wouldn't be hard to see, and it would be much better of evidence of monetary or company problems than anything Derek Smart posts.
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Oct 1, 2015 23:52
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I guess CIG would need to have a shitload of things to show at CitizenCon to quell rebellion. What's the over/under of it being more embarassing than OUYA at (outside of ) E3?
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quote:I agree. As backers, we can demand that these people start furnishing proof, or threaten their bottom lines. If publications like the Escapist are just going to throw bombs, we need to start campaign to reveal their already tarnished reputation. I'm done allowing these click-bait articles to tarnish the work of these people. Either they show me the goods, and prove all of this is happening, or stop, immediately. I'm thinking we need a general form letter, that we can send en masse to these publications.
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This seems like an appropriate time to contribute some new content to the thread. Linked below is audio from Michael "Viewmaster" Morlan, former employee of CIG and current employee of Descendent Studios. In this exclusive interview, he details the parties responsible for Star Citizen''s failure. Michael Morlan interview about the failure of Star Citizen
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Irrational Man posted:If you're really interested in learning, check out Anita Sarkeesian's series on women in gaming to see how sexism is rampant in the culture and industry. Well played
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Goredema posted:This seems like an appropriate time to contribute some new content to the thread. Linked below is audio from Michael "Viewmaster" Morlan, former employee of CIG and current employee of Descendent Studios. In this exclusive interview, he details the parties responsible for Star Citizen''s failure. Good poo poo
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Submitted my refund request. I hope I can get my $30 back instead of paying that to end up with a "game" that will be a source code dump with a bunch of half finished spaceship models, and no company to run any servers.
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