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AP posted:Ok explain it, you get one chance at this, don't blow it. The gamergate poo poo I dunno about other then he is one of their favorites. I know him for the Sad Puppies thing which is a campaign to vote brigade the Hugo awards (the top scifi/fantasy award) to prevent any scifi that had women or gay characters from winning. Its kinda made the whole thing a joke now.
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Way ahead of you https://robertsspaceindustries.com/citizens/cultsimulator
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How is it possible that nobody thinks holding a convention for a game that doesn't exist is a good idea? Lets also talk about the cost of holding this convention. - cost of renting out the venue - catering - event planning - entertainment - whatever the gently caress else the plan on renting for the event lol... Agrajag fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Oct 2, 2015 |
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Agrajag posted:How is it possible that nobody thinks holding a convention for a game that doesn't exist is a good idea? Lots of people think it's a bad idea, they just aren't allowed in the cult of croberts
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Onmi posted:When your a Sci-Fi writer who's a fan of those books, you could do worse. Like Hubbard. Ender is Literally Hitler, though.
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Alchenar posted:Do a promotion where people have to pick the exact date CIG folds and some of the winners get a complete Elite:Dangerous pack. Definitely not empty-quoting this to say I like the way you think.
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Most people here I think are too young to remember Usenet in the late 90's. Newsgroup discussion groups were almost kind of like the social media of the 90's. (In fact, Usenet pre-dates the web by over a decade.) Derek Smart was a VERY prolific Usenet poster in the late 90's and was a MASTER flame baiter. He was responsible for epic massive flamewar threads in his time and was known for baiting just about anyone, even Usenet posters who were known to avoid flamewars. Looking at everything that's transpired here, I feel that's pretty much exactly what Smart was doing here... baiting Chris Roberts to reply. It took four or five or whatever huge posts by him to do it, but he did it. And Roberts responded in the worst way possible (for Roberts) and the best way possible (for Smart). Intimidated, mentions Smart's name repeatedly, GamerGate, etc. Roberts fell victim to the master. I don't think he knew Smart's Usenet history and therefore underestimated who he was dealing with.
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Wafflz posted:Lots of people think it's a bad idea, they just aren't allowed in the cult of croberts The convention has to be a do or die breaking point for the masses with the stuff that gets shown. If none of the modules work, or god willing, crash horrible on stage while Chris is playing them, how can the true believers possible stay faithful? Its too late for Chris to cancel the event, its too late to get something working, what the hell is he going to show? More jpgs and design plans? Announce another side project? Please dear god let there be a mole throughout the whole thing.
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lamentable dustman posted:The gamergate poo poo I dunno about other then he is one of their favorites. I know him for the Sad Puppies thing which is a campaign to vote brigade the Hugo awards (the top scifi/fantasy award) to prevent any scifi that had women or gay characters from winning. Its kinda made the whole thing a joke now. Okay no, I'm actually jumping in and stopping this one. That's not what Sad Puppies was about and that's definitely not what Rabid Puppies was about. So the short of it is Sad puppies came about because sci-fi writers noticed that, wait for it, it didn't really matter what you wrote, if you weren't in the clique, you wouldn't get an award. The idea was never to win an award or to stop others from winning. It was to prove that the presumed most prestigious award in sci-fi writing didn't actually consider your quality, just your politics. As of the last Hugo's, before it, there had been 5, "No Awards" that had ever been awarded in the existence of the awards. This number doubled in one night, because 5 of them had only puppies nominees, these people nominated were men, women, varying politics, doesn't matter what they believed they were nominated for their quality. Which, for the record, is something that had been done for years in awards circles. It was not, as people would have you believe, something unprecedented and designed to kick the women and the gays out of the community. The Sad Puppies existed to prove that if push came to shove, it didn't matter how good you are, only your politics, at the end of the night, they were proven 100% correct. They would rather deny a wonderful female editor that was well respected an award, then have someone not in the clique win. They burned down their own club house and called it a victory. Vox is for Rabid Puppies, while the Sad Puppies just wants to point out the inherent cliquishness and see it gone, Rabid Puppies sees the awards as beyond saving and just wants to burn it down. Vox has a lot of politics and policies I personally don't agree with. But do not misrepresent what it was actually about. I actually get loving annoyed with this, because I do write SF and Fantasy, so I'm actually aware of the poo poo that goes on. And I get really loving angry when people who don't know poo poo flap their gums and run their mouths about poo poo they have no clue about. so your one paragraph summation. Vox is a SF author with some pretty wonky politics who hates the inherent cliquishness of the SF community and wants to burn it to the ground so something new can be built. He wants to Senator Armstrong it. I don't personally agree with him on a lot of things, including that, but it has nothing to do about sci-fi with gays or women. EDIT: and just for clarification, I don't vote at the Hugo's and I don't support either campaign, partially because I'm very lazy and partially because I just don't tend to enjoy conflict with people. I do like to keep myself informed of things going on in the community though. Onmi fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Oct 2, 2015 |
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Onmi posted:Ladies and Gentlegoons I am pleased to report I have officially been accused of being Derek Smart. Where do I go to collect my badge? alphabettitouretti posted:Wow those comments are garbage. Rather than attempting to actually engage in a discussion they're either whining WALL OF TEXT DIDN'T READ or accusing him of being Derek Smart.  somewhere Chris Roberts wakes up in a cold sweat...
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That guy who did the Wreck of the Idris Fitzgerald did a cover of Hurt about Derek Smart back in July when we hard the Smart Room. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEuY6-UM8VI
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BexGu posted:The convention has to be a do or die breaking point for the masses with the stuff that gets shown. If none of the modules work, or god willing, crash horrible on stage while Chris is playing them, how can the true believers possible stay faithful? Its too late for Chris to cancel the event, its too late to get something working, what the hell is he going to show? More jpgs and design plans? Announce another side project? I don't even think CIG closing it doors could sway the true believers at this point. They'd just talk endlessly about trying to buy the source and assets and complete it themselves.
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BadLlama posted:Time to transfer my pledge over to another lovely game, 40K Eternal Darkness here I come. I mean, if there's a company I trust more than CIG to provide quality , it's definitely Games Workshop.
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 Someone who can photoshop better than my sorry rear end please make this Smarter. Thanks.
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Onmi posted:The funny thing is these people thinking that just because you're trying to warn them, it's because you want the game to fail. Because there can't be any other reason for telling them to open their eyes and use their loving brains. The whales have every reason to shut people up about the possibility of this game failing. They own ship packages that can be resold as long as there's a general belief that the game will actually be finished. They don't want you warning anybody. sakeyake fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Oct 2, 2015 |
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I haven't been following this since after the first coming of Derek Smart, but glad to see he's still out there doing his thing. The replies on the RSI "Chairman's Response" post are just too much. My favorites are the "Lets get a class action lawsuit going! Sue Smart, Sue The Escapist!" posts, along with the ones that are starting to hedge a bit but blaming D.Smart for their sudden realization that this game will not see the light of day.
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Tusen Takk posted:Eve Online is pretty much the only good space sim and then you can't really pilot the ships since you're one dude piloting a ship that's 7km long
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Onmi posted:Okay no, I'm actually jumping in and stopping this one. That's not what Sad Puppies was about and that's definitely not what Rabid Puppies was about. the teens choice awards of genre fiction is shaping up to be a monster
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I am cautiously optimistic for today's RtV http://www.twitch.tv/cigcommunity What's going to happen? -> Will Ben finally break down in Tears and confess his Scientology Membership? -> Is Sandra Roberts finally able to control her facial emotions, or was she just a CGI Asset all the time, full of hatred for not overcoming the uncanny valley? -> Will we see the only black guy at CIG Santa Monica to shut up the rumours for racism? -> Will Gorf finally be able to claim the headcount of CIG Brother Henessy, with a live beheading? -> Special Guest: 
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Okay, so in light of the marriage confirmation finally being official, I went back and rewatched Sandi's interview with Batgirl from March, in which she gives a summary of the history of their relationship, one which unnecessarily became a controversy due to Chris and Sandi's rules to employees about keeping it an absolute secret and because of their willingness to repeatedly tell lies by omission when talking about each other, their work histories together, etc... (DUMB!) I'm including the summary of it below because it all seems just so ODD. Sandi talks about her history with Chris quote:BATGIRL: quote:SANDI: quote:So, I guess I kind of answered that question, didnt I?
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Thirsty Dog posted:Ender is Literally Hitler, though. Nah, that's his brother. Ender is more like Reinhard Heydrich.  Also, I think Ender was supposed to feel sorry for his genocide, but with Card you never really know
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Onmi posted:This number doubled in one night, because 5 of them had only puppies nominees, these people nominated were men, women, varying politics, doesn't matter what they believed they were nominated for their quality. 
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Agrajag posted:How is it possible that nobody thinks holding a convention for a game that doesn't exist is a good idea? Lets also talk about the cost of holding this convention. The announcement of Citizencon was definitely one of those warning signs of "this company is putting the cart before the horse" I think it's probably a big moneymaker for them to get their biggest fans in a single room and sell whatever new thing they've come up and they might as well pass around a collection plate while they're onstage.
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sorla78 posted:
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Onmi posted:This number doubled in one night, because 5 of them had only puppies nominees, these people nominated were men, women, varying politics, doesn't matter what they believed they were nominated for their quality. The fact that many of the nominees chosen strictly for their quality happened to be written or published by Vox Day himself is, of course, of no relevance whatsoever I suppose.
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sorla78 posted:I am cautiously optimistic for today's RtV quote:-> Will Gorf finally be able to claim the headcount of CIG Brother Henessy, with a live beheading? When I saw his post about CIG on reddit yesterday, I actually felt really sympathetic for his plight. I genuinely believe that there are a lot of people that like working at CIG in spite of the chaos and toxicity that seem to surround Chris and Sandi. I suspect Thomas is one of them. I'm hoping that his popular post about CIG yesterday bought him a lot of goodwill with Chris and Sandi. There are now officially a LOT of people in the fan base who love what he said, and firing him would REALLY give CIG a black eye at this point.
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G0RF posted:Chris used to come past the front desk and, like, mumble something. And Id be like, Whaat? and then hed just like, leave, and Id be like, Okay, thats kind of weird!' And, uh, hed like do that like every morning and Id be like, Ohh kay this guys kind of strange! Oh Sandi we all know how that feels. Except now when he mumbles something cretins spend thousands on JPEGs of spaceships.
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Sarsapariller posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3n864z/where_does_the_trust_towards_chris_roberts_come/ Nah, I mean I love to laugh about the current fiasco just as much as any goon while egging Derek Smart on, but the writer of this article does not understand the context of the whole thing, otherwise he would not describe the WC series so underwhelmingly. I'm in my 30ies now and back then, when I played Wing Commander and later Strike Commander on my first pc (a 386 and later a 486 and Strike Commander didn't really become "good" until you had at least a Pentium), these were incredibly impressive games. Wing Commander was one of the main reasons to be a pc gamer in the early 90ies and there were only few games which came close in popularity, like Indy and the Fate of Atlantis, the Monkey Island Saga or Ultima VII. If you weren't a teen or maybe in your twens back then, then you won't understand what this game did for the pc gaming crowd. Thing is that the most rabid backers are now in the 30 and 40+ crowd and have probably played Wing Commander, Strike Commander and Privateer and this holy trinity is the reason why they believe in CR. It's the Lucas effect, just because someone did something awesome many years ago (and was influenced by a great team), does not mean he can do it again, this time as the god-king of the empire of man-children. Tl, dr,: Wing Commander, Strike Commander and Privateer were incredible games back then and the thick haze of nostalgia clouds the mind of many. Hammerstein fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Oct 2, 2015 |
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Tarranon posted:the teens choice awards of genre fiction is shaping up to be a monster See you can call it that but when you want to be an SF or Fantasy writer you get told over and over "The hugos are the most important thing, the most grand prize for you." So learning that, no, they aren't and no, it actually doesn't matter how good you are as a writer, it just matters how good a friend you are with everyone else. Kinda heartbreaking a little. I mean liberating because you realize "gently caress it, who cares what these people think?" But if you idolized that stuff growing up it can hurt if you made that your job. I know a main problem people has is the clique tends to want to have its cake and eat it to. They want the Hugo's to be for them, so it's only for the participants of Worldcon, but they also still want it to be the most prestigious award in SF/F. Again, to me, it's liberating really, I never have to give a gently caress about these people because they proved to me that they don't care if I'm good or bad, only if I'm their friend. But I understand where the dislike is. Like, this is from Brad Torgerson, who was apart of the 3rd Sad Puppies campaign (the one that just past, he both bowed out after it and refused to be nominated for the awards at the past campaign to prove that he wasn't lying when he said he wasn't interested in winning an award) quote:I would like this noted somewhere that a biased media hack or a vengeful troll cant blot it out: 2,500 people from science fictions so-called True Fandom throws women under the bus. And, just for clarity, Worldcon calls themselves the True Fandom. This is not some derogatory term that people have come up with for this group of cliquish people. Gabriel Pope posted:The fact that many of the nominees chosen strictly for their quality happened to be written or published by Vox Day himself is, of course, of no relevance whatsoever I suppose. Considering Vox's slate was for people to vote "No Award" because he WANTED to see the awards be reduced to being meaningless? Yes, it has no drat relevance. He was happy to see the awards go the way they did. They gave him everything he wanted. Onmi fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Oct 2, 2015 |
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JonBolds posted:Hows things in this thread going y'all? I'd push for a sit down and 'Okay if we got things wrong allow us to talk to people and move about asking questions' then just make sure you go out drinking with everyone, on the record.
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Randarkman posted:I find it's hilarious that people think 'realism' is of the utmost importance in a game about dogfighting in space, an idea that pretty much began with Star Wars as WWII in space. Yeah, realistic. headbobbing is very realistic and important to my immersion
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As badly as they have handled this from the beginning, I fully expect Sandi and the gang to put together a parade of minorities to showcase how "inclusive" their workplace truly is. Maybe even Lesnick will proclaim he is 1/84th African American.
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Furious Mittens posted:Maybe even Lesnick will proclaim he is 1/84th African American. So a sizable percentage of the workforce
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Malleovic posted:So a sizable percentage of the workforce I set 'em up, you knock 'em down. Stockton to Malone
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