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Iron Tusk posted:This is one part I don't really believe without way more detail. I don't think uk and German employees are being paid out of a us account. Among all the things in his rant, Chris's point about line level people having no clue about the finances is probably true. Unless the leaker is CIG's Littlefinger. As someone pointed out there's a good chance they aren't using backer funds directly to fund their operation. This is a company that stored all of their development assets on a publicly accessible server. I would bet a good deal of money that if someone computer savvy wanted to find the company books in the office they could do it no problem.
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Reason posted:I wonder, do they refund all charges on the account? I sold one of my ships and I'm hoping they refund me for the whole deal. No, they'll refund you what's currently on the account, otherwise people can play silly buggers with money.
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AP posted:Congratulations. Did CIG put up much resistance? It took about 2.5 weeks, but that was a month ago. I think the flood gates have been opened now.
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I have yet to fully wrap my head around the fact that people spend thousands of dollars for fake spaceships for a game that doesn't exist
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bres0048 posted:I had $5200 into this, started the refund about a month ago. Got 3300 back from cig and sold the remainder to silly redditors. They like going down with the ships i would love to know what made you pay anything above $60 for a video game
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Regarding their CFO - I found that guy on linkedin a while ago can't remember his name - but he worked as Finance Director at one of the EA studios before.
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Puppy Galaxy posted:I have yet to fully wrap my head around the fact that people spend thousands of dollars for fake spaceships for a game that doesn't exist They spent it on faith and hope. If you can sell faith and hope to the masses (or a desperate niche) and anyone can make millions.
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 The Emperor's New Clothes A vain Emperor who cares about nothing except wearing and displaying clothes hires two swindlers who promise him the finest, best suit of clothes from a fabric invisible to anyone who is unfit for his position or "hopelessly stupid". The Emperor's ministers cannot see the clothing themselves, but pretend that they can for fear of appearing unfit for their positions and the Emperor does the same. Finally the swindlers report that the suit is finished, they mime dressing him and the Emperor marches in procession before his subjects. The townsfolk play along with the pretense, not wanting to appear unfit for their positions or stupid. Then a child in the crowd, too young to understand the desirability of keeping up the pretense, blurts out that the Emperor is wearing nothing at all* and the cry is taken up by others. The Emperor cringes, suspects the assertion is true, but continues the procession. * You are here.
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Nation posted:i would love to know what made you pay anything above $60 for a video game (realtalk) I imagine it was a lot of rampant speculation about how this fake-game will have grand faction battles like EVE, since everyone seemed to think that it was going to basically be FPS EVE. This lead to people buying up every ship they could get their hands on in hopes that goonfleet would happen in SC so, in essence, people with so little impact or control over their own personal lives felt a little twinge of glory giving crobberts their retirement funds and school loans
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Iron Tusk posted:This is one part I don't really believe without way more detail. I don't think uk and German employees are being paid out of a us account. Among all the things in his rant, Chris's point about line level people having no clue about the finances is probably true. Unless the leaker is CIG's Littlefinger. As someone pointed out there's a good chance they aren't using backer funds directly to fund their operation. The thing is CR doesn't have a good history with money. He ran out on Freelancer, so I doubt he's been cunning about the use of funds. Don't get me wrong CR is a great ideas guy.
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BexGu posted:They spent it on faith and hope. If you can sell faith and hope to the masses (or a desperate niche) and anyone can make millions. there is nothing that makes less sense to me than this. wishing wells, televangelists, scientology, fringe politicians, bitcoin, whatever. all of those make more sense than a special imaginary spaceship for a video game that is years from being a thing
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My LinkedIn account isn't premium. Can anyone here view this: https://www.linkedin.com/profile/vi...AOUT_OF_NETWORK
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Iron Tusk posted:This is one part I don't really believe without way more detail. I don't think uk and German employees are being paid out of a us account. Among all the things in his rant, Chris's point about line level people having no clue about the finances is probably true. Unless the leaker is CIG's Littlefinger. As someone pointed out there's a good chance they aren't using backer funds directly to fund their operation. They'd lose money just moving it around, it makes more sense to pay F42 with Sterling, Frankfurt with Euro's. US offices with dollars, and only cover shortages when needed. The 8 million has always looked like a dodgy claim to me as Smart previously mentioned 20 odd million weeks back. Plus you'd expect there to only be a small core of people who would know the total amount left, but on the other hand if CIG really is as unprofessional as the rumours, maybe they do talk about the real figure freely internally. From the interview with the Space lawyer buddy of Roberts, he mentioned they upgraded to a better website using backer funds, so it won't surprise me if they just spend, spend, spend.
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Iron Tusk posted:This is one part I don't really believe without way more detail. I don't think uk and German employees are being paid out of a us account. Among all the things in his rant, Chris's point about line level people having no clue about the finances is probably true. Unless the leaker is CIG's Littlefinger. As someone pointed out there's a good chance they aren't using backer funds directly to fund their operation. iirc, the article said that the $8 million figure was "common knowledge" amongst the staff and expressed consistently among the people they spoke with. Which really doesn't mean much because these kinds of office rumors always exist and aren't necessarily based on anything substantial.
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Snuffman posted:35 bucks was the early-backer amount, I think? I backed at that level too. Sounds right, I dunno though I didn't do kickstarter or anything I just bought it a few months ago
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sorla78 posted:Regarding their CFO - I found that guy on linkedin a while ago can't remember his name - but he worked as Finance Director at one of the EA studios before.
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RuckusRouser posted:My LinkedIn account isn't premium. Can anyone here view this: https://www.linkedin.com/pub/joe-sothy/27/0/aa0
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Nation posted:i would love to know what made you pay anything above $60 for a video game I had a lot of multiples, mostly hornet or 300 varients. I guess the plan was just to sell stuff to the people that didnt get in on the ground floor. There was a gogle doc with goonfleet on it in one of the old threads. Also I went full neckbeard and tossed abunch of disposable income at it.
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Nauta posted:this thread is moving at the speed of ~10 posts / min Personally, I want for the thread to have more posts
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RuckusRouser posted:My LinkedIn account isn't premium. Can anyone here view this: No but after reading the public version. https://www.linkedin.com/pub/joe-sothy/27/0/aa0 I noticed this: quote:Bachelor of Commerce (BCom), Accounting He took 7 years to complete his degree (one part of me hopes he did the degree part time).
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Justin Tyme posted:(realtalk) I imagine it was a lot of rampant speculation about how this fake-game will have grand faction battles like EVE, since everyone seemed to think that it was going to basically be FPS EVE. This lead to people buying up every ship they could get their hands on in hopes that goonfleet would happen in SC The moment I gave up on the game not being a complete scam was when they announced a sale of a insanely expensive battleship or something (guns literally sold separately) and they'd use the money they made from that to subsidize lower cost starter packages. Sounds cool! However, the number of the subsidized was ludicrously small (for an digital item with no real value) and most were purchased by whales who were going to have their NPCs fly them. https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14314-Star-Citizen-Anniversary-Sale
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I can't stand it anymore, the level of retard flowing from the forums is too much They already have 90 million, lets give them another 10 so they can hire more lawyers  If I keep saying 'its MY game' enough maybe I can convince myself I really am a part of something, and not just a number. Also take more of my money because I'm obviously brain dead  So what if they missed ANOTHER deadline, let's shower them in more money I'm sure that'll make all our dreams come true
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Zeike posted:huh..who is that? 7 yea I would 7 this thread too if I could
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Sushi in Yiddish posted:The moment I gave up on the game not being a complete scam was when they announced a sale of a insanely expensive battleship or something (guns literally sold separately) and they'd use the money they made from that to subsidize lower cost starter packages. Sounds cool! However, the number of the subsidized was ludicrously small (for an digital item with no real value) and most were purchased by whales who were going to have their NPCs fly them. I mean, the artificial scarcity in general should be enough for anyone sorry guys the javelin mines plum gave out
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Thanks From the profile: "Everything financial in this really cool and leading edge computer gaming company"
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No Mods No Masters posted:Personally, I want for the thread to have more posts I will join you in your noble quest, my goon not actually my personal goon
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Puppy Galaxy posted:there is nothing that makes less sense to me than this. wishing wells, televangelists, scientology, fringe politicians, bitcoin, whatever. all of those make more sense than a special imaginary spaceship for a video game that is years from being a thing Another little wrinkle is that Star Citizen hit right at the prime video game kick-starter period. Chris Roberts was a established name, had produced games, and was trying to make something that was from a bit of forgotten niche genre. Of course the desperate and lonely where going to flock to him. I forgot who posted it earlier but most of the people that played Roberts games where probably in there teens/early 20s and now are in their 30/40s with some amount of disposable income and are still chasing the memory of how much fun they had while playing a old Chris Roberts game. The after kick-starter marketing was just a bit of genius through on how to string suckers along and sell that hope/sunk cost line even further.
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#imacitizen #imabacker
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bres0048 posted:It took about 2.5 weeks, but that was a month ago. I think the flood gates have been opened now. It's tradition. At this point you're meant to say what you're going to buy with the money, relax and enjoy the show.
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AP posted:They'd lose money just moving it around, it makes more sense to pay F42 with Sterling, Frankfurt with Euro's. US offices with dollars, and only cover shortages when needed. I worked for a manufacturing firm as a project manager several years ago that came up with a new invention (on paper) that promised to bring the company millions if realized. So as we started building this thing, a lot of things came to light that weren't going to work or would need to be revised. Long story short, instead of doing what needed to be done and revising the parts that needed to be changed, the CEO and P.E. ordered everything to keep trucking along as originally planned as they went out across the globe selling this product and throwing features on top of a system that wasn't going to work in the first place. I jumped ship well before the inevitable crash, thanks mostly in part to the CFO and some friends in accounting talking about how much money we were hemorrhaging. Take that with what I could actually see we were spending on areas of the project that weren't going to work and I could see the hand writing on the wall, along with several others. All that being said, I don't doubt for a minute that there are people at CIG that know the financials or have access to a good portion of them and talk to the rank and file. People in the gaming and development sector could probably approximate pretty well the costs and the rest of their crazy purchases are documented across the internet. It's not hard to see where $90 mil of crowdfunds could go *poof* really quickly.
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Rastor posted:90 million US dollars. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPY4mtT2xfg
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Justin Tyme posted:Whenever you get mad looking at posts like these, just remember that like dickwulf these people are all abject failures in all aspects of their life. Then it just becomes sad. Like, how can you be mad at someone who spent 20k on a fake game while they are unemployed? They should be pitied. It's worse than that. A large number of them may be hoarders. They may be writing posts about $10m worth of lawyers instead of cleaning the leaking cat goo pooling around their fridge from the dead cats that accidentally thawed out.
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A Neurotic Jew posted:The reporter of the Escapist article says in that podcast that there was alot of information that she did not include, saying that it was "very intimate information that was even more concerning than what I showed". CIG LA office, it's like cluedo only with nerf guns, drugs, secret videos, sex toys and a half opened safe stuffed with cash.
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BexGu posted:Another little wrinkle is that Star Citizen hit right at the prime video game kick-starter period. Chris Roberts was a established name, had produced games, and was trying to make something that was from a bit of forgotten niche genre. Of course the desperate and lonely where going to flock to him. I forgot who posted it earlier but most of the people that played Roberts games where probably in there teens/early 20s and now are in their 30/40s with some amount of disposable income and are still chasing the memory of how much fun they had while playing a old Chris Roberts game. The after kick-starter marketing was just a bit of genius through on how to string suckers along and sell that hope/sunk cost line even further. This is very true. I would pay for a kickstarter to fund a sequel to games I grew up with like Capitalism, Ports of Call, Harpoon, (I'm weird, yes), mostly because I think very highly of them due to nostalgia, but also because games like these don't get made (that much) anymore. SC (together with ED) were big nostalgia filled wet dreams for many backers that grew up with WC, Elite, Xwing etc.
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