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How are u posted:Glad that glorious China and its 5000 years of civilization was there to save America Yes, but go a little further with that. It's transparent pandering that nonetheless occurs in the context of the one Chinese official telling the other has to be strictly between space agencies, has to be removed from impure actors such as politicians, media, etc. It's Messaging that tells you straight up that there's nothing but Problem-Solving going on here.
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It was just a tad eyerolly. Pretty transparent pandering haha.
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Ghetto Prince posted:Loved the movie. The first half hour is really brutal as Matt Damon gets stabbed and exploded, and has to use his own poo poo to make dirt and grow food. Then just as you think things are turning around for him he's forced to listen to disco music. Finally, a movie for people that love Abba, which can be seen by people that hate Abba. Ridley Scott is a genius.
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Panfilo posted:In the scene where he takes his shirt off, why was his entire body covered in sores? Malnutrition? I know he hadn't been eating much at that point due to rationing. Its pretty common for the astronauts to get that. Combination of not being able to shower and stuff to take care of your skin and the bacteria undergoing island effect Senjuro posted:The problem was that he only had a few unprocessed potatoes to start with (and he only had those because NASA wanted the crew to actually prepare a meal together during Thanksgiving) and only a little earth soil carrying growth critical microbes and he used it all. The decompression and freezing killed both the potatoes and the microbes.
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Powered Descent posted:Also, You're way overthinking this.
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As someone who enjoyed the book, I was cynical going in thinking a good adaptation would impossible. I loved it and was happily proven wrong. One thing that seemed odd to me was the scene towards the end where Watney was chopping off his beard in some kind of spacious bathroom in the MAV. Could have possibly been in the rover but seemed way too spacious and luxurious for either vehicle. Odd but whatever, just a small insignificant niggle..
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Oct 5, 2015 01:08
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Movie was good other than iron man part, but I can forgive that part compared to interstellar's ridiculous magical science.
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Worse than Moon and Gravity, better than Interstellar. It's fine and worth seeing. Total NASA propaganda film, but why not? American Sniper got to be made too.
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Oct 5, 2015 02:50
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Jenny Angel posted:Yes, but go a little further with that. It's transparent pandering that nonetheless occurs in the context of the one Chinese official telling the other has to be strictly between space agencies, has to be removed from impure actors such as politicians, media, etc. It's Messaging that tells you straight up that there's nothing but Problem-Solving going on here. Sure, it is exactly the kind of Serious treatment of China as a Real and Great power that gives whoever runs the board that approves the foreign releases in China a big loving boner. I haven't read the book so I'll take y'alls word for it that it was all in there. My only point is that to me the China parts came across as some serious Transformers / Iron Man level pandering and it took me out of the film a little. Would have been way better if they'd used Russia. A civilization with, you know, an actual history of achievement and boldness in space. Or poo poo, even India. Didn't India send a probe to Mars just last year on a shoestring budget?
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Stingray019 posted:As someone who enjoyed the book, I was cynical going in thinking a good adaptation would impossible. I loved it and was happily proven wrong. One thing that seemed odd to me was the scene towards the end where Watney was chopping off his beard in some kind of spacious bathroom in the MAV. Could have possibly been in the rover but seemed way too spacious and luxurious for either vehicle. Odd but whatever, just a small insignificant niggle.. I thought the same thing when he was putting on his EVA suit. Looked like he was maybe inside the Ares IV hab?
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CommanderApaul posted:I thought the same thing when he was putting on his EVA suit. Looked like he was maybe inside the Ares IV hab? What Ares IV hab? The MAV was the ONLY thing that had been landed there so far. This is explicit in the book, and also visible in the film in the long shot we get of the rover approaching the MAV -- I sure as hell didn't see anything else around, did you? But yeah, I have no idea where he actually was supposed to be for the beard-shaving scene. I guess the MAV had a room in the landing stage or something.
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Oct 5, 2015 03:41
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I liked it but didn't think it was great. The one scene that really stuck with me was when he was counting the potatoes. Damon's acting there was perfection.
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 Well, I understand the thread title now that I've seen the film.The music choice for the credits was goddamn inspired. Also, that Elrond bit. I felt like I really proud nerd when I laughed at that immediately in the theater, while everyone else only started to laugh when they explained it. The only part I didn't really like was the scene where Jeff Daniels is like, "Well, so far so good, he'll be fine as long as nothing else goes wrong!" stopping just short of turning to the audience and winking. And of course the very next scene is the one where his farm airlock blows out (for...basically no reason that I can tell?). It's like...I can't even really verbalize why exactly that sort of film choice irritates me, but it does. It's just this irritating storytelling transparency thing.
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I enjoyed the movie, particularly the "epilogue" at the end. While I enjoyed the book, I wasn't a huge fan of how it ended with Watney's (presumably cut) speech from one of the earlier trailers about how humanity pulls together when one of our own is in peril. I much prefed the way the movie ended, showing what the crew of Ares III, Watney and all, moved on to do with their lives. The film had better closure and I think I'm more likely to give it a second viewing than I am to give the book another read-through.
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How are u posted:Sure, it is exactly the kind of Serious treatment of China as a Real and Great power that gives whoever runs the board that approves the foreign releases in China a big loving boner. China landed a probe on the moon recently, and we haven't even done that since Apollo. They take space and Mars very seriously so I don't see how this is any more implausible than NASA actually getting the funding it needs for a series of manned Mars landings.
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How are u posted:Would have been way better if they'd used Russia. A civilization with, you know, an actual history of achievement and boldness in space. Or poo poo, even India. Didn't India send a probe to Mars just last year on a shoestring budget? So you don't think that building a space station is bold?
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China is also the third nation to put its own citizens into space. They also have a space station. Meanwhile the Russian space program had to stop construction of their new launch facility because they built the VAB too small. Who do you think will be a big space power in the future? MisterFister posted:I liked it but didn't think it was great. The one scene that really stuck with me was when he was counting the potatoes. Damon's acting there was perfection. I loved that scene too. With the huge storm outside trying to rip his wall repair to shreads and he doesn't care at that moment to put on a EVA suit for safety. That's his low point.
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Oct 5, 2015 05:10
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Nail Rat posted:China landed a probe on the moon recently, and we haven't even done that since Apollo. They take space and Mars very seriously so I don't see how this is any more implausible than NASA actually getting the funding it needs for a series of manned Mars landings. Gosh, yeah we haven't put a probe on the moon recently. We've totally lost our edg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAM3kGOAkcc I applaud China for setting up a space station, the likes of which hasn't been seen since we built skylab in the early 70s. How are u fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Oct 5, 2015 |
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Oct 5, 2015 06:41
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I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. It had a lot less drama than I expected which was nice because I went in expecting a lot more Hollywood than it had. It also didn't spend too much time explaining science stuff.
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Oct 5, 2015 08:01
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Anybody see it in 3d? Is it worth it?
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Party Plane Jones posted:Anybody see it in 3d? Is it worth it? It's not bad, and it was shot in 3D, but I felt like Prometheus did a better job of it tbh.
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Party Plane Jones posted:Anybody see it in 3d? Is it worth it? Yes and yes.
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Pick posted:Worse than Moon and Gravity, better than Interstellar. It's fine and worth seeing. Total NASA propaganda film, but why not? American Sniper got to be made too. Everything about this post is stupid but it was written by a former NASA engineer, so i'm not sure what you were expecting?
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I said come in! posted:Everything about this post is stupid but it was written by a former NASA engineer, so i'm not sure what you were expecting? Neither Weir nor Goddard were ever NASA engineers.
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Dr. Stab posted:Neither Weir nor Goddard were ever NASA engineers. Read somewhere that he was but ooh well.
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I said come in! posted:Read somewhere that he was but ooh well. His research for the book was literally just Googling and watching documentaries. According to his interview with Adam Savage (which is somewhat interesting in its own right)
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BrianWilly posted:The only part I didn't really like was the scene where Jeff Daniels is like, "Well, so far so good, he'll be fine as long as nothing else goes wrong!" stopping just short of turning to the audience and winking. And of course the very next scene is the one where his farm airlock blows out (for...basically no reason that I can tell?). I In the book it's just straight-up a design defect that got overlooked and would have been meaningless on a regular operation. One of the seams was bad IIRC.
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COOL CORN posted:His research for the book was literally just Googling and watching documentaries. Also, he originally wrote the book as a serial and would go back and correct the science he got wrong after the fact!
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:You're way overthinking this. Just please everyone take this in. SMG told someone that THEY are taking something too seriously. I haven't read the book yet but saw this yesterday and I loved it. Good tension, I didn't hate Matt Damon, and the soundtrack was great. I'm going again so I can see it in 3D.
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Zombie Boat posted:Just please everyone take this in. He also got probated for making lovely racist jokes so hey. Hot Dog Day #82 posted:Also, he originally wrote the book as a serial and would go back and correct the science he got wrong after the fact! That would explain a ton about the way it's written, I only read it after the fact I suppose.
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ImpAtom posted:In the book it's just straight-up a design defect that got overlooked and would have been meaningless on a regular operation. One of the seams was bad IIRC. It was because he cussed about his potatoes too much, undermining the let's-all-work-together-guys narrative by chewing out the NASA botanists back on Earth for giving him theoretical advice. He's right, of course - anything they can tell him is 50 million miles removed from the actual problem he's trying to solve, and he's likely run into all the points they're bringing up in the time he spent prior to establishing comms, but it's where he tips over from Cool Snarky Mythbuster Meme Man into Abrasive Arrogant Nerd, and that's trouble. It holds true as a broader pattern for what works and what blows up. Sanders' plan to cut out inspections is framed as callous efficiency, so it blows the supply drop up. The Chinese agency's plan is based on cooperation and goodwill between respectful intellectual equals, so it works. The space mutiny is predicated on camraderie and bonhomie, so it works effortlessly as part of an upbeat montage - despite Chastain warning the crew that any number of parts within the plan could kill them.
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ImpAtom posted:In the book it's just straight-up a design defect that got overlooked and would have been meaningless on a regular operation. One of the seams was bad IIRC. Another thing you have to keep in mind when questioning the airlock malfunctioning for "no reason" is that the habitat was designed to last for 30 days, and he's many months beyond that when it fails. Mechanical parts eventually just break. quote:Gosh, yeah we haven't put a probe on the moon recently. We've totally lost our edg Yeah, NASA's incredible and what they do on a budget that's the equivalent of dumpster diving is remarkable. However, there's no loving way that in 20 years they'll have the money to land on Mars, even if they could theoretically do it (they could). So if you're going to bitch about China being portrayed as advancing a lot 20 years from now, you may as well bitch about the whole premise of the movie. And  at Russia. You know they almost starved the ISS just recently because they've forgotten how to launch rockets, right? Yeah, SpaceX had a part in that too, but SpaceX is new and also was in the process of testing groundbreaking boosters.
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Nail Rat posted:Yeah, NASA's incredible and what they do on a budget that's the equivalent of dumpster diving is remarkable. However, there's no loving way that in 20 years they'll have the money to land on Mars, even if they could theoretically do it (they could). So if you're going to bitch about China being portrayed as advancing a lot 20 years from now, you may as well bitch about the whole premise of the movie. Modern space travel is so depressing. 
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ImpAtom posted:Modern space travel is so depressing. Pretty much. Mars is not actually that exciting, other then having a little bit of water its a dead planet that has been stagnant for 4 billion years.
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How are u posted:I haven't read the book so I'll take y'alls word for it that it was all in there. My only point is that to me the China parts came across as some serious Transformers / Iron Man level pandering and it took me out of the film a little. The whole thing was that they needed a heavy rocket. There were plenty of normal rockets hanging around. We launch about two a week. But to get an appreciable mass to Mars rapidly you'd need a heavy. Russia's failed twice at heavies (N9 kept blowing up in the 60s and 70s, and in the 80s Energia ... well, they made it work once, but gave up on it) and there's no real reason they'd ever go back to building them. The entire Russian spaceflight program since the Cold War ended has basically been about just using the same rockets as they have since the 1960s. India's certainly not gonna be up to building something that large yet. China, on the other hand, has a superheavy in the planning pipelines now. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Oct 5, 2015 |
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I said come in! posted:Pretty much. Mars is not actually that exciting, other then having a little bit of water its a dead planet that has been stagnant for 4 billion years. Well, it does have canyons and mountains that make the biggest features on Earth look like divots and hills, so there is that. edit: on another note, best part of the movie was when they said something was nominal. I was hoping for about fifty more nominals before it blew up Nail Rat fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Oct 5, 2015 |
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Oct 5, 2015 17:27
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I wish they didn't cut out the .  . plan
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Heavy rockets are difficult to build since they're like a twenty-story aluminum can of rocket fuel sitting on top of a bomb. Oh wait they aren't like that, they are literally that.
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Powered Descent posted:What Ares IV hab? The MAV was the ONLY thing that had been landed there so far. This is explicit in the book, and also visible in the film in the long shot we get of the rover approaching the MAV -- I sure as hell didn't see anything else around, did you? Exactly what I meant. It completely knocked me out of that scene, and made it even worse when Lewis was putting on her EVA suit to go out and ge thim, and it looked like it was in the exact same room that Watney put on his before he launched the MAV.
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Pick posted:Worse than Moon and Gravity, better than Interstellar. It's fine and worth seeing. Total NASA propaganda film, but why not? American Sniper got to be made too. IMO it made NASA look pretty drat stupid. Why the hell would anyone at NASA approve a lander for an alien planet that had to sit there for multiple years and be capable of being blown over by a bad storm? That's above and beyond how dust on Mars is as fine as talcum powder and a 200 mph wind could barely ripple a trash bag due to the low pressure. They lost me in the first minute because of that stuff. If it was supposed to be just some generic alien planet, fine, but making it specifically Mars destroyed the illusion. I enjoyed most of the rest of the film, but for all the talk about its scientific accuracy, it really put me off.
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MikeJF posted:The whole thing was that they needed a heavy rocket. There were plenty of normal rockets hanging around. We launch about two a week. But to get an appreciable mass to Mars rapidly you'd need a heavy. Russia's failed twice at heavies (N9 kept blowing up in the 60s and 70s, and in the 80s Energia ... well, they made it work once, but gave up on it) and there's no real reason they'd ever go back to building them. The entire Russian spaceflight program since the Cold War ended has basically been about just using the same rockets as they have since the 1960s. India's certainly not gonna be up to building something that large yet. China, on the other hand, has a superheavy in the planning pipelines now. See now this I didn't know. It would have been nice if in the movie they'd explained this in passing. The China bit was still a complete slob-job, however.
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