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Pathos
Sep 8, 2000

You know, assuming botcha is telling the truth there's really significant information here. He's made it clear there are investors (and he is one) outside of the $90mil. And VCs don't invest hundreds of thousands of dollars - not usually and definitely not in a project like this. This might change the "How long does CIG have left?" calculation Derek has been posting.

Honestly this could change a lot of things if it's true.

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Fain80
Jan 18, 2013

Free Hugs
Still no response to my refund request other than the generic auto response. I wonder if they're getting overwhelmed or if the well is drying up.

Darkpriest667
Feb 2, 2015

I'm sorry I impugned
your cocksmanship.
Beer you're in the news again.


http://theralphretort.com/i-smell-a-rat-with-star-citizen-1007015/

Bolow
Feb 27, 2007

WhyteRyce posted:

Can someone post Star Furry please. Can't find it in this giant thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-AJ9d6A2Yk

or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blPpnnSOiwk

BluestreakBTHR
Oct 2, 2015

Fucking Star Citizen True Believers are passive-aggressive douchebags. Sorry if I have the ability to use my critical thinking skills. I didn't drink the Kool-Aid, motherfuckers.

That's me trying way too hard to fit in here. Please accept me, I need validation. I'm very depressed.
Grimey Drawer

Wafflz posted:

He's star citizens biggest whale. An unemployed married man who spent over twenty two thousand dollars on space jpegs. He also sends gifts and pizza to the dev team and dick pics to female citizens even though he is married. Finally, he wears a fedora.

Does he vape, too?
I bet he vapes.

OhDearGodNo
Jan 3, 2014

Fain80 posted:

Still no response to my refund request other than the generic auto response. I wonder if they're getting overwhelmed or if the well is drying up.

By what I have seen it takes about a week to hear back, and 2-4 from request to refund.


By what I gather there are only a couple doing them, and also they research all your transactions- everything you melted, gifted, and received.

B_of_InfoRedux
Oct 6, 2015

WANT A MELTDOWN? KEEP READING FROM YOUR MOTHERS BASEMENTS WHILE YOU BEAT YOUR TINY DICK SECRETLY THINKING OF SANDI YOU HYPOCRITICAL PIECES OF HUMAN GARBAGE.

Skoll posted:

lol @ this guy who randomly shows up with an agenda and then starts to call Bootcha bullshitter.

With an agenda? . Yeah because I've been All OVER the forums crying foul. Sorry, nope.

If he's said it all before all good. Comment was more a joke on the name honestly.

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos

A Neurotic Jew posted:

will this game have a Domino's delivery button in the HUD for my convenience?

Can someone answer this?

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

MrAptronym posted:

No, he is claiming to be a VC and telling us many other VCs were bought out when the project reached 25 mil in total funding.

Was this the $25m stretch goal? I'm guessing backers' money made this possible. Not that they'd mind, mind.

Kegslayer
Jul 23, 2007

Bootcha posted:

I have the ability to ask more directly what the gently caress is going on. My approach has been to act like a guest and not a boogeyman suit, because my profit share agreement can be nulled and returned for being an rear end in a top hat at their discretion (within reasonable proof thereof). I have also stated, past and presently, to them that showing numbers is a good way to quell allegations of fraud.

Hey buddy, I work in finance and what you're describing is utter insanity.

Adding to what's already been said, I'm not sure how much experience you have with investing much less VC type stuff but the balance of power should always be with the investor and you should always be able to see their books. It's your money and you're here to make a profit, not play a video game so acting like a trained house pet is a terrible idea. At the very least you should be demanding independently audited financial statements.

I'm not sure how much you're in for but seriously, drop whatever you're doing now and go find a financial advisor, an accountant and a lawyer, put them all in the same room and get professional help.

BluestreakBTHR
Oct 2, 2015

Fucking Star Citizen True Believers are passive-aggressive douchebags. Sorry if I have the ability to use my critical thinking skills. I didn't drink the Kool-Aid, motherfuckers.

That's me trying way too hard to fit in here. Please accept me, I need validation. I'm very depressed.
Grimey Drawer

tooterfish posted:

Google tells be Twin Bros is Freyermuth's own production company, set up in 1995.

Wait, people are getting refunds from there? Isn't that just a tiny bit...loving irregular?

That loving explains why he contacted me via email regarding my refund.

So goddamned shady.

Fain80
Jan 18, 2013

Free Hugs

OhDearGodNo posted:

By what I have seen it takes about a week to hear back, and 2-4 from request to refund.


By what I gather there are only a couple doing them, and also they research all your transactions- everything you melted, gifted, and received.


Well poo poo. That's going to take awhile! I'll sit tight, thank ya.

Darkpriest667
Feb 2, 2015

I'm sorry I impugned
your cocksmanship.

Kegslayer posted:

Hey buddy, I work in finance and what you're describing is utter insanity.

Adding to what's already been said, I'm not sure how much experience you have with investing much less VC type stuff but the balance of power should always be with the investor and you should always be able to see their books. It's your money and you're here to make a profit, not play a video game so acting like a trained house pet is a terrible idea. At the very least you should be demanding independently audited financial statements.

I'm not sure how much you're in for but seriously, drop whatever you're doing now and go find a financial advisor, an accountant and a lawyer, put them all in the same room and get professional help.


I'd second this strongly.

Skoll
Jul 26, 2013

Oh You'll Love My Toxic Love
Grimey Drawer

B_of_InfoRedux posted:

With an agenda? . Yeah because I've been All OVER the forums crying foul. Sorry, nope.

If he's said it all before all good. Comment was more a joke on the name honestly.

lol you're just here trying to stir poo poo up and distract us from the only person who can bring back space sims and PC gaming. You should be ashamed.

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

WhyteRyce posted:

Can someone post Star Furry please. Can't find it in this giant thread

it needs to be in the op of every star citizen thread

Mr SoupTeeth
Jan 16, 2015

Wafflz posted:

it needs to be in the op of every star citizen thread

It needs to be the loving box art if by some miracle of God this actually comes out.

Pity Party Animal
Jul 23, 2006
Holy loving poo poo. This is a scam! I just thought it was a standard "deliver a game thats done but buggy and lacks finish" scam. But its something so much more labyrinthine.

quote:

While the official shop lets players buy ships from Cloud Imperium Games, players can't officially sell ships to each other. Enter the Star Citizen grey market.

The Star Citizen grey market emerged out of a couple of important design decisions by CIG. One, the developer sells certain ships for a limited time or in limited numbers, creating a demand for products that aren't available to all players at all times.
.....
In the early days of Star Citizen, backers received ships with lifetime insurance (LTI, as it's known by players), which effectively protects investments forever without the need for payments. But in November 2012 CIG stopped selling ships with LTI to newcomers. 12 months later it stopped selling ships with LTI to all players. This, as you'd expect, created a huge demand for those ships that had it.

According to Drevan, it was this change around LTI that caused Star Citizen trading to skyrocket.

November 2013 was a huge month for CIG and Star Citizen saw an influx of new players. Many of those newcomers were jealous of those who had ships with LTI and were willing to pay a premium to get hold of them. Traders, their eyebrows raised by this new potential for profit, put exclusive pledge packages up for sale with huge markups of between 30 and 400 per cent of the original cost.

Drevan tells me of one high-profile example of this. The Vanduul Scythe, coveted and infamous within the Star Citizen community, is a ship originally sold by CIG for $300 during the Kickstarter campaign. It came with LTI included and only about 500 were ever given out to players. It is no longer for sale. Half a year ago they were selling "like hotcakes" for, wait for it, $2000 each.

If I was a slimy producer, I would want to convince my rich guy friends to buy not stocks, but Spaceships! They would make money, which, I the CRummy producer, could convince them to reinvest in more spaceships! As long as they make money, they'll bring their friends; who also have money. Its a great money making scheme.

It would be an even better scheme if the investment window could be lengthened somehow.

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos

Darkpriest667 posted:

I'd second this strongly.

OH WELL THEN

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos

Mr SoupTeeth posted:

It needs to be the loving box art if by some miracle of God this actually comes out.

$7000 boxed collectors edition confirmed

B_of_InfoRedux
Oct 6, 2015

WANT A MELTDOWN? KEEP READING FROM YOUR MOTHERS BASEMENTS WHILE YOU BEAT YOUR TINY DICK SECRETLY THINKING OF SANDI YOU HYPOCRITICAL PIECES OF HUMAN GARBAGE.

Skoll posted:

lol you're just here trying to stir poo poo up and distract us from the only person who can bring back space sims and PC gaming. You should be ashamed.

Lol. All praise Chris Roberts. Master of all space and time. May he beseech upon us once more the great Mark Hamill, well known for his Oscar worthy turn as Max Reed in The Guyver. May he provide us with many. Jpegs for all our space fairing needs. Oh he of great Wing commander fame. May he strike down the Devil of Smartness and return us once more to the days of fully Immersive FMV's.

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

Mr SoupTeeth posted:

It needs to be the loving box art if by some miracle of God this actually comes out.

:agreed:

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos

B_of_InfoRedux posted:

Lol. All praise Chris Roberts. Master of all space and time. May he beseech upon us once more the great Mark Hamill, well known for his Oscar worthy turn as Max Reed in The Guyver. May he provide us with many. Jpegs for all our space fairing needs. Oh he of great Wing commander fame. May he strike down the Devil of Smartness and return us once more to the days of fully Immersive FMV's.

I with you buddy

ryde
Sep 9, 2011

God I love young girls
What's the deal with insurance on ships? Can you somehow lose them?

Roshambo
Jan 18, 2010
Does anyone have the citizen-con bingo image posted earlier today in the thread?

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

ryde posted:

What's the deal with insurance on ships? Can you somehow lose them?

When the game gets cancelled you lose them all.

Skoll
Jul 26, 2013

Oh You'll Love My Toxic Love
Grimey Drawer

B_of_InfoRedux posted:

Lol. All praise Chris Roberts. Master of all space and time. May he beseech upon us once more the great Mark Hamill, well known for his Oscar worthy turn as Max Reed in The Guyver. May he provide us with many. Jpegs for all our space fairing needs. Oh he of great Wing commander fame. May he strike down the Devil of Smartness and return us once more to the days of fully Immersive FMV's.

same

3
Aug 26, 2006

The Magic Number


College Slice

:colbert:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0RvCN3gYJA

Wookie Bouquet
Jan 27, 2013

Too tsundere to drive.
Has anyone started adapting the $ for JPG business model to other fields? I can see this really revolutionizing healthcare.

Roflan
Nov 25, 2007

The porn industry has been doing it for decades.

tooterfish
Jul 13, 2013

No one pays for porn you silly goose.

Darkpriest667
Feb 2, 2015

I'm sorry I impugned
your cocksmanship.

Wafflz posted:

When the game gets cancelled you lose them all.

:boom:

BexGu
Jan 9, 2004

This fucking day....

Kegslayer posted:

Hey buddy, I work in finance and what you're describing is utter insanity.

Adding to what's already been said, I'm not sure how much experience you have with investing much less VC type stuff but the balance of power should always be with the investor and you should always be able to see their books. It's your money and you're here to make a profit, not play a video game so acting like a trained house pet is a terrible idea. At the very least you should be demanding independently audited financial statements.

I'm not sure how much you're in for but seriously, drop whatever you're doing now and go find a financial advisor, an accountant and a lawyer, put them all in the same room and get professional help.

I'm realllyyyyy hoping Bootcha is a investor for the mob in this case.

Roflan
Nov 25, 2007

Some people do or there wouldn't be so much money to be made off it. My guess is the type of person who pays for porn is the same type that would buy into SC...

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos
Porn Citizen

tooterfish
Jul 13, 2013

Porn Star Citizen.

"hey what's your porn star citizen name?!?"

"dickwulf"

"oh..."

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos
I'm going to make a wank station for Porn Citizen out of grandpas barn chairs and two ply wood boards bolted to the sides

Tarranon
Oct 10, 2007

Diggity Dog
or more like adults with real jobs that have real disposable income pay for poo poo

like i make a deece five figgies doing it work and im going to jack off to the scraps posted on tube sites, oh, like i can't afford to toss a few benjis on my hobbies :rolleyes:

A Fancy 400 lbs
Jul 24, 2008
i really wish both croberts and smart would stop trying to make this a gamergate thing. smart and his GG friends arent any less of obnoxious shitheads because they finally realuzed croberts scammed them and croberts being friends with vox "half-savage" day and the dickwulf saga dont really give him any moral legs to stand on.

Tarranon
Oct 10, 2007

Diggity Dog
i don't even look at how much humble bundles cost these days

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peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos

Tarranon posted:

or more like adults with real jobs that have real disposable income pay for poo poo

like i make a deece five figgies doing it work and im going to jack off to the scraps posted on tube sites, oh, like i can't afford to toss a few benjis on my hobbies :rolleyes:

Also the actors and directors and script writers / story editors need paying somehow and I think as a society we've lost sight of that

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