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I dunno Gryphoon maybe if you gave me some more reasons that star citizen is real and cig isn't a company full of pr disasters maybe you can change my mind. I'm just having a hell of a time wrestling with the potential existence of a pretend spaceman game. Maybe if you invited some more reddit friends here to post we could be convinced.
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I'm the venue's lighting guy who Sandi is currently emasculating.
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Derek Smart is p dumb and he has no ability whatsoever to put together an argument but that just goes to show you how garbage Star Citizen is
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Oct 9, 2015 21:16
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KakerMix posted:I dunno Gryphoon maybe if you gave me some more reasons that star citizen is real and cig isn't a company full of pr disasters maybe you can change my mind.
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Wafflz posted:- Still no FPS, they can't even make the loving crosshair work How do you break a crosshair in CryEngine, which is made for FPS games?  The FPS part should have been the easiest and quickest thing for CIG to do.
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Oct 9, 2015 21:18
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Smegbot posted:I'll level with you, I don't know what a CCU downgrade is. A CCU downgrade is actually a misnomer. It actually means upgrading from a Cutlass to an Avenger by spending less money.
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imperialparadox posted:How do you break a crosshair in CryEngine, which is made for FPS games? The CryEngine is poo poo and CRoberts is a dumb gently caress for using it.
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imperialparadox posted:How do you break a crosshair in CryEngine, which is made for FPS games?
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Raskolnikov posted:Well I got $200 out of $400 back. So this is a $200 lesson. I can live with this. I've also learned never to gift things to people. Even your friends. huh? why cant you get the rest back? delivered physical goods or something?
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Oct 9, 2015 21:23
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Doctor Schnabel posted:huh? why cant you get the rest back? delivered physical goods or something? This, so hard. If you have ships on your account that could be melted for store credit and they close your account, they're basically stealing from you at this point.
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Oct 9, 2015 21:24
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My Paypal statement says that Nov 30 2013 is the day I got out when I received 1200 $ for my hangar. A strange feeling in hindsight.
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Oct 9, 2015 21:27
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From RTV: "- [Question is there a price for an unknown ship at Citizencon?] Right now no but the new ship will have LTI and the other older ships being brought back will have 3 year insurance" This is brilliant. All those people who will melt what they have to go from 2 yr insurance to 3 year insurance. Then, if they ask for a refund, it'll be: "Well, you've melted all these things.. .so..." I can't think of any other reason they'd go from 2 year (the previously highest insurance besides LTI) to three year if they did not want everyone to melt. Although, they will have their new CCU system going, and it likely will have you check off boxes on all new terms before the CCU can be completed. Thus, everyone will be doing it for the extra 1 year. LTI pulls in fresh cash, because it is LTI. I don't think 3 year insurance will do that. TLDR: My prediction: 3 year insurance is added to get people to sign new TOS to further minimize refunds.
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Doctor Schnabel posted:huh? why cant you get the rest back? delivered physical goods or something?
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Even ubisoft unfucked cryengine with their dunia modifications with far cry 2-current.
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Variable 5 posted:This, so hard. If you have ships on your account that could be melted for store credit and they close your account, they're basically stealing from you at this point. did she say her account was closed?
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Please note that in my statement regarding Smart's credibility I compared him to Roberts. Neither would get my money.
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Revelation 2-13 posted:I know we really, really hate Sandi, but want do we actually know? A fired employee says she is racist and hate pubes? I mean c'mon. 7 former employees and 2 current ones. Also:  I wonder how much money they dumped into this "improved lighting system"
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This whole insurance business is so stupid.
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Kylra posted:You can't refund things you gifted to people or that were gifted to you. The former because it's on someone else's account. The latter because they're refunding to the original payment source which the giftee does not have. You can get a refund if you melt everything first.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Please note that in my statement regarding Smart's credibility I compared him to Roberts. Neither would get my money. I would personally donate thousands
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Kazy posted:7 former employees and 2 current ones. Gamma is a hard thing to do, it could take years.
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Paladinus posted:This whole insurance business is so stupid. A stupid idea for a stupid people
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Kylra posted:You can't refund things you gifted to people or that were gifted to you. The former because it's on someone else's account. The latter because they're refunding to the original payment source which the giftee does not have. The exception being the following: Buy and gift something worth $100 to someone Receive something worth $100 in credit. You still have $100 in goods spent, so can get refunded. I might be able to prove it soon enough.
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Other stupid things include: - Everything else about Star Citizen
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I'm cmdr Sandi wulf and this is my favorite thread in the verse
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Gerbil_Pen posted:did she say her account was closed? No, but the majority of refund messages from CIG posted here and elsewhere go over the fact that the account will be closed. Hers may be a special case.
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Incombibulator posted:I made it to Manchester. I'm about 10mins from the venue for the con and I'm getting slowly drunk. Start a De-rek-Smart De-rek-Smart chant.
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Oct 9, 2015 21:34
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BluestreakBTHR posted:You can get a refund if you melt everything first. Gerbil_Pen posted:The exception being the following: Do they like, take the gift ship off of the other person's account with no warning or something?
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Gerbil_Pen posted:From RTV:
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How does insurance even work in this game. Is it like EVE where its a partial payment? Do you get your entire ship back? How will this mechanic work when you have ships worth $900?
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Kylra posted:You can't melt a ship on someone else's account. None of this should matter. If you have a "total spent" amount greater than the value of the digital items in your hangar, you should be able to get a full refund of everything still in your hangar. To refund any less and to close the account as they seem to insist on doing is literally theft.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:How does insurance even work in this game. Is it like EVE where its a partial payment? Do you get your entire ship back? How will this mechanic work when you have ships worth $900? Who knows, the game for it doesn't exist
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theultimo posted:Who knows, the game for it doesn't exist Yea pretty much
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Cao Ni Ma posted:How does insurance even work in this game. Is it like EVE where its a partial payment? Do you get your entire ship back? How will this mechanic work when you have ships worth $900? You get the base hull and what ever stock modules came with that hull, unless you upgrade your insurance then magic happens.
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Variable 5 posted:None of this should matter. If you have a "total spent" amount greater than the value of the digital items in your hangar, you should be able to get a full refund of everything still in your hangar. To refund any less and to close the account as they seem to insist on doing is literally theft.
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Variable 5 posted:None of this should matter. If you have a "total spent" amount greater than the value of the digital items in your hangar, you should be able to get a full refund of everything still in your hangar. To refund any less and to close the account as they seem to insist on doing is literally theft. No it's not. It's fraud.
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Revelation 2-13 posted:This is a real hard sell for me. I'm not doubting some of the stuff he says is correct, but he is not exactly a credible source in general, and most of his "big reveals" have been pretty lacklustre. Every time there has been a 'guys, my next story REALLY drops the sweet, sweet dirt on CIG', it has been completely underwhelming. Are we saying this because he sorta predicted some of the layoffs back when? Or did I miss something? I think I followed all of his reveals. Derek Smart doesn't get into arguments slowly, that's why  criticising him in public was such a terrible idea. They could have achieved the same result, disarming him by refunding him by saying bland nice things. "It's unfortunate that Derek Smart obviously is not comfortable backing the game anymore and as a gesture of good will we are in the process of completely refunded him. If he wishes to return once Star Citizen is released and in a state to be judged by him, we will gladly reactive his account then if he should so wish. I would ask all backers to respect he has a right to his opinion but we will not be commenting further on this".But they did the stupid instead so there's probably a lot of spin on what he says, it's hard to believe that CIG are holding an event tomorrow with over 100 staff, selling $900 pictures of space ships and will be out of business in 90 days (Something Derek has said). However even if he's spinning and 90 days is way overselling it, if the situation is only half as bad as he says, then making release, or release with a decent game is incredibly unlikely. If CIG closes in 180 days or 360 days, there's not really going to be a playable game as promised out by then. You also have the issue of why someone inside CIG is still leaking stuff, like the ship sale tomorrow and the rumoured increase in price since Derek leaked it. Why are there so many unhappy staff and why would you seek to damage the company you work for, unless something was unusually wrong even for a game development company.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:How does insurance even work in this game. Is it like EVE where its a partial payment? Do you get your entire ship back? How will this mechanic work when you have ships worth $900? You can supposedly insure almost everything. For the things they are selling, it is XX years or months worth of in-game time I believe. In game time is X times faster than real-time, so maybe "1 year of insurance" is 1000 hours of gameplay. If the ship is destroyed, you get queued up for a "new" ship that reflects roughly the same wear and tear of the original before it was destroyed or something like that. You can then pay additional insurance for upgrades. cargo, etc. Kylra posted:You can't melt a ship on someone else's account. No, they will remove a ship from your account as long as it matches the refund amount. This is my experience, but then again many people have taken very different approaches to asking for refunds.
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