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projecthalaxy posted:Noted girls Shawn Michaels all the time (as above, Mania 12, etc), Edge, Daniel Bryan, Mark Henry, Ric Flair, and so forth are making their gender look bad with their horrid weepy ways. Mania XX too, but the less said about Chris Benoit, the better.
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why the gently caress is that article on Forbes of all places? 
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TinTower posted:It depends on the match. Dolph Ziggler gets some credit for rescuing the IC match at Elimination Chamber from Mark Henry, but it was still a bad match. Shawn Michaels is a huge diva, actually
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oatgan posted:Shawn Michaels is a huge diva, actually The man's theme music is him singing about how he's jot a boytoy, and you think he might be a diva
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oatgan posted:Shawn Michaels is a huge diva, actually he's a superstar, idiot
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DJExile posted:why the gently caress is that article on Forbes of all places?
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Oct 13, 2015 16:10
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The women's matches on NXT have done a better job than pretty much other match WWE has done in years at making you feel the competitors really care about winning the match they're in.
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DJExile posted:why the gently caress is that article on Forbes of all places? Forbes has been doing more wrestling articles because they have a fan on staff.
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I'm pretty sure that's apart of the Blog part of Forbes, due to the "Contributer" not "Forbes Staff" tag. I'm going to just quote Bryan when he responded to it. "These NXT guys and girls. They come in together, they train together, they grow up together, they party together, and this is Sasha's farewell match, she is leaving all of the people she's grown with to move on to the next stage. Yes she'll probably come back for guest spots, but this is real emotion."
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TL posted:The women's matches on NXT have done a better job than pretty much other match WWE has done in years at making you feel the competitors really care about winning the match they're in. I also get the feeling the NXT women could even pull off a Hell in a Cell match if they were given the opportunity. (Dear Vince, please book Bayley and Sasha for a Hell in a Cell match at Wrestlemania)
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ShootaBoy posted:
Well I mean he's not wrong. If Jack Swagger went to Impact he would probably literally ever get booked, which is a sharp improvement. Probably get a faction around him as a former WHC.
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He'd only get paid for like a week tops. Also isn't TNA still without a network right now?
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ShootaBoy posted:He'd only get paid for like a week tops. Also isn't TNA still without a network right now? TNA is on DA for the remainder of the year, but are off after that Plus all their TV is shot until then Plus they cancelled their last house shows because they were selling well but they had some pesky logistical issues Right now we're waiting for an announcement of a rumored India tour after they keep recursively making announcements about making announcements.
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ayn rand hand job posted:TNA is on DA for the remainder of the year, but are off after that Is their TV shot until then? Aren't they just piecing together random matches they filmed just in case into a tournament right now because they have nothing in the can?
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Baron Corbyn posted:Is their TV shot until then? Aren't they just piecing together random matches they filmed just in case into a tournament right now because they have nothing in the can? Same thing
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I don't know why Swagger would take the Real American gimmick somewhere else. It's not even his gimmick. Even the All-American American was a self-centered douchebag character. Anywhere else he'd be Jake Hager, Collegiate Wrestler.
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I'm still surprised they never went full Biff Tannen with Swagger.
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Swagger was pretty drat awesome when he had the Swagger Soaring Eagle and his dad Bunkhouse Buck and delicious Swaggie Sammiches. Then he won the World title and I guess someone decided champions shouldn't have personality.
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DeathChicken posted:Swagger was pretty drat awesome when he had the Swagger Soaring Eagle and his dad Bunkhouse Buck and delicious Swaggie Sammiches. Then he won the World title and I guess someone decided champions shouldn't have personality. Didn't all that stuff happen while he was Champion? The big reason his championship sucked is because in matches he was booked like a geek against the Big Show.
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Also they decided he was Very Serious Chris Jericho, which is not the way to book the platonic ideal of a high school jock who just won something big.
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NXT must be a lot better than the WWE women's wrestling, because I caught some of that last month and goddamn is it bad. Granted, the men's wrestling isn't super great right now, either.
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natetimm posted:NXT must be a lot better than the WWE women's wrestling, because I caught some of that last month and goddamn is it bad. Granted, the men's wrestling isn't super great right now, either. Sasha Banks and Bayley had an Iron Woman match at TakeOver Respect and it's a strong contender for Match of the Year.
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TinTower posted:Sasha Banks and Bayley had an Iron Woman match at TakeOver Respect and it's a strong contender for Match of the Year. That's good to hear. Hopefully they get called up soon and shake up the main roster. I'm not super sold on any of the male or female main players in WWE at the moment. I think I'm enjoying watching Owens the most right now.
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natetimm posted:That's good to hear. Hopefully they get called up soon and shake up the main roster.
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Revenant Threshold posted:Oh dear. Sorry, was that actually WWE? I thought he was talking about NXT.
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natetimm posted:Sorry, was that actually WWE? I thought he was talking about NXT.
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Sasha Banks got called up and she's been criminally under-utilised in the Divas Revolution. As have all of the women whose last names don't end with Bella or Flair, let's be honest.Revenant Threshold posted:No, you were right the first time. It's just that WWE has hosed up the call-ups of each and every NXT guy or girl so far. I think they've booked Kevin Owens pretty well, considering. I want to see more of Neville and Kalisto, though. The latter without Sin Cara. 
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sasha banks has been protected since her callup, and was intentionally put in a position on raw where the fans were supposed to clamor for her to the detriment of the match happening in the ring but even with that in mind it's been like two months and she hasn't been featured or promoted in any way
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Maybe it's me, but I can't really discern any real difference in personality or character between most of the divas currently on WWE programming, except Flair's daughter. None of them seem to have a real gimmick or unique thing and their interviews all seem to bog down into them all being similarly bitchy to each other. Without the crowd noise and having seen some stuff on the internet, I wouldn't even be able to tell who is the face and heel most of the time. Obviously, most of that is piss-poor writing on WWE's part, but man is it bad.
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natetimm posted:Maybe it's me, but I can't really discern any real difference in personality or character between most of the divas currently on WWE programming, except Flair's daughter. None of them seem to have a real gimmick or unique thing and their interviews all seem to bog down into them all being similarly bitchy to each other. Without the crowd noise and having seen some stuff on the internet, I wouldn't even be able to tell who is the face and heel most of the time. Obviously, most of that is piss-poor writing on WWE's part, but man is it bad. *Or social media, with Naomi and Tamina, though that's to a lesser extent.
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I was watching a episode a while back and they were all feuding over the fact that someone threw a party and nobody came or some other trivial poo poo, and all it did is make all of them look super petty and immature without adding any sort of heat or intrigue to the match at all. Two girls want to fight over fake party attendance backstage. That will put asses in the seats!
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yo ucan't tell the difference between heel and face because for the last couple months we've had a face team, a heel team, and real honest to god tweener team who changes alignment week to week and sometimes even during the same show
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There's no reason outside of bone headedness that the Raw womens division shouldn't be really great and interesting. NXT Womens division elevated itself from "haha, this is a lot better than the Raw Divas" to "holy poo poo, this is the best part of NXT" over the last six months, and this is all it took: - Becky Lynch becomes #1 contender - A couple of segments culminating in a contract signing/brawl. Nice video package. - A really close match where Becky came up just short. - Bayley becomes #1 contender - A couple of segments culminating in a contract signing/brawl. Nice video package. - A really close match where Bayley wins - Sasha requests rematch. Granted. Main Event! Ironman! - Nice video package. - A really close match where Bayley wins Super, super basic booking. It wasn't even given all that much time outside of Bayley's winning streak (The ironman build was literally one live segment and video packages). They just set the matches up and let the wrestlers do their thing.
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Sasha also understands basic ring psychology more than most people on the roster. She got nuclear heat for stealing Izzy's headband during the Iron Woman match. 
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That was very cool because it turned the big halftime rest spot into one of the most memorable moments of the match. Imagine they'd just done a chinlock for 2 minutes instead.
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St Evan Echoes posted:There's no reason outside of bone headedness that the Raw womens division shouldn't be really great and interesting. All of this requires treating women as athletes and well-rounded characters, which is impossible for those in charge on the main roster. The most telling thing is that all main roster women's matches are prefaced with, "The following is a DIIIIIVAS match..." instead of the standard, "The following is a one fall/tag match/etc." Once you treat the match as some sideshow attraction, it will never be taken seriously by the audience.
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I wonder how much of it is down to Triple H and Stephanie, how much is down to Vince, and how much is down to NBC. I get the feeling that Triple H and Stephanie would be more amenable to treating the women on the roster like athletes, perhaps just simply because they're younger than Vince "what's good in the hood, my nigga" McMahon. One of my favourite things about Sasha stealing Izzy's headband is not just the basic ring psychology of "do heel things, get heat", but the more advanced psychology of "how to turn incredibly cheap heat nuclear". It was as cheap, and as amazing, as the famous Shawn Michaels promo in Montreal, or the Rock's concert in Sacramento. TinTower fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Oct 15, 2015 |
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Plus she got a very split crowd (because who doesn't love Sasha?) to get solidly behind Bayley. The sort of mind that says "I'm being cheered, but that's not what I want right now, I should do something about that." is one that should go far.
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TinTower posted:Sasha also understands basic ring psychology more than most people on the roster. She got nuclear heat for stealing Izzy's headband during the Iron Woman match.
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