|
I dunno about you guys, but I play mapgames because of the atrocities I get to commit, not in spite of them. 
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 04:32
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 24, 2024 19:10 |
|
|
If you're not a horrific monster that will be remembered as one of the worst people in history by the end of a game of Crusader Kings, Victoria, or Europa Universalis you are playing the game objectively wrong.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 04:33
|
|
|
The Sharmat posted:Why does no one feel this way about the USSR under Stalin? Edit: This also explains why people have the same thing with the confederacy; It's possible to play the US and be able to shove the slavery bits into the back of your head with the not-so-bad stuff, but since the Confederacy was pretty much purely about owning Human property you can't play them and also not think about the fact that you are essentially fighting for racism. VerdantSquire fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Oct 17, 2015 |
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 04:34
|
|
|
I've seen WW2 grognard Naziphiles say the same things about Hitler while fervently praying at their shrine to Rommel. Does anyone ever actually play as the US in Vicky 2?
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 04:35
|
|
|
Larry Parrish posted:People like that guy make me embarassed to enjoy mapgames The Sharmat posted:He's laughing because the idea that people actually think playing as Germany in a war oriented map game means "justifying the racial prejudices of the mass murdering mad man" is absurd. 
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 04:38
|
|
|
I've started playing Vicky 2 and wow this game can be depressing. It seems like two-thirds of the mechanics are centered around exploiting the world's poor for most western countries. Note, however, I still enjoy playing it and am able to separate the little pixel men I order to their death from actual historical events.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 04:39
|
|
|
Many a time I've been disappointed at having to waste money hanging some nameless thralls at the Great Blot when my dungeon was full of perfectly good Christian children.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 04:40
|
|
|
It's weird, it's like the guy didn't explicitly state why he was personally uncomfortable playing as Germany and was careful to say he wasn't judging anyone else!
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 04:41
|
|
|
VerdantSquire posted:Edit: This also explains why people have the same thing with the confederacy; It's possible to play the US and be able to shove the slavery bits into the back of your head with the not-so-bad stuff, but since the Confederacy was pretty much purely about owning Human property you can't play them and also not think about the fact that you are essentially fighting for racism. The real way to play the Confederacy is to make them lose in an even more hilarious fashion. "Preisdent Davis! The Yankees are here! And they brought EVERYONE with them!" "...Alex, we escaped to Brazil, how did they get -" *Jefferson Davis then looks out his window to see literally every adult male in the Union armed with a gun climbing out of canoes*
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 04:45
|
|
|
Hitler's a bad person and it's very normal for people not to want to identify with him.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 04:46
|
|
|
DrSunshine posted:I dunno about you guys, but I play mapgames because of the atrocities I get to commit, not in spite of them. The Sharmat posted:If you're not a horrific monster that will be remembered as one of the worst people in history by the end of a game of Crusader Kings, Victoria, or Europa Universalis you are playing the game objectively wrong. i would rather genocide the world then be genocided by it
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 04:47
|
|
|
Every time I culture flipped a province in EU3 I shed a tear
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 04:47
|
|
|
I wonder how the new culture mechanics in The Cossacks would realistically work. "ATTENTION PEOPLE OF SKANE, YOU ARE REQUIRED NOW TO ADOPT THE CUSTOMS AND SPEAK THE LANGUAGE OF THE NENETS. YOU ARE TO TAKE NENET NAMES AND PRACTICE THEIR RELIGION. FROM THIS DAY FORTH, ANY MAN FOUND SPEAKING THE SWEDISH LANGUAGE WILL BE WHIPPED PUBLICALLY."
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 04:50
|
|
|
The cocoon of irony goons sheath themselves in so they can post cool GBS threads also allows them to play mapgames like a boss :swag: :swag:
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 04:52
|
|
|
DrSunshine posted:Many a time I've been disappointed at having to waste money hanging some nameless thralls at the Great Blot when my dungeon was full of perfectly good Christian children. actually this because if my Norse ruler doesn't die in battle or in a duel because he hung 6 of the king of france's kids he was no real man
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 05:01
|
|
|
Be right back, gonna make a slight modification to the event files so you can hang a baby.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 05:03
|
|
|
i can already have it tossed out a window! whats the diff!
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 05:04
|
|
|
The Sharmat posted:Does anyone ever actually play as the US in Vicky 2? I do it a lot. I take a perverse glee in sabotaging the Confederate war effort before it can even begin to coalesce (Turn all southern soldier pops into irregulars, admit every state I can as a free one, etc.) I feel like a lot of the hangups around Hearts of Iron are personal- mine are. I can't play the main campaign as anybody because I keep thinking about my grandfather's time in the 65th Infantry or my maternal grandparents working in Britain during the Blitz. My uncle's father was a camp survivor to boot. It's a little neurotic, but WWII is real to a lot of people in a way other time periods aren't.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 05:04
|
|
|
verbal enema posted:i can already have it tossed out a window! whats the diff! I dont want anyone to think its an accident. Sends to wrong message
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 05:05
|
|
|
I like playing as an evil fucker in map painting sims (c.f. my earlier post about what I want to do to aliens in Stellaris) but I also like playing as an ahistorically progressive power and often I am in between. It is totally reasonable for other people to have different attitudes towards this and consider some powers/countries/leaders to be something they don't enjoy playing as. This is natural and normal and even a monumentally autistic goon like me can understand that. Admittedly I would be fascinated to see someone like Rincewind do an LP which involves Bad Things and how Byzantiny comes to terms with it later when they realize what they did, because it would be nice to see a take other than "and glorious Fuhrer Mosley killed all the Cornish, allowing Britain to enter a new golden age", but that is a very different thing.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 05:34
|
|
|
We're never getting a good 21st century mapgame because so many of the countries you might play are awful.  I blame society, personally.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 05:39
|
|
|
DrSunshine posted:I dunno about you guys, but I play mapgames because of the atrocities I get to commit, not in spite of them. i judge all games on warcrimes per dollar fire in the lake is the perfect game
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 05:44
|
|
|
Like the biggest joke is that the nazis dont have to be in power in HoI. You can change that.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 05:48
|
|
|
But basically you're a loving dipshit if you think supporting nazis or whatever and playing a large, grey, GERMANY on a map is the same thing.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 05:49
|
|
|
Larry Parrish posted:But basically you're a loving dipshit if you think supporting nazis or whatever and playing a large, grey, GERMANY on a map is the same thing. Nobody said it was the same thing. Dude said he felt weird about it. Not that he had a deep-rooted political objection to it or w/e.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 05:50
|
|
|
Is somebody else's playing preferences this big a problem for you?
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 05:50
|
|
|
Larry Parrish said something stupid? Must be a day ending with y.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 05:51
|
|
|
ncvm
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 05:52
|
|
|
DStecks posted:Larry Parrish said something stupid? Must be a day ending with y. But every da.... Oh. OH.  Slightly relevant, I guess? Conversation reminded me of it. Make countries that didn't even exist at the time do terrible things!
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 06:57
|
|
|
The divergences mod for vicky2 would be so good if it didn't come with pop demand. Finally, a reason to play as aragon in something, but nevermind more useless goods for my capitalists to go bankrupt with
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 07:47
|
|
|
I had read that POP Demand had started to turn itself around- I guess that's not true?
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 07:52
|
|
|
I am admittedly worse with it and I won't pretend that doesn't color my opinion. I still play Divergences anyway just because I like good alt history mods and Eu4 doesn't have one that's like, Div/Kaiserreich material or even close to my knowledge.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 07:57
|
|
|
Did MiscMods ever make it to EU4? That was a great one for EU3 alt history games. My Druidic Ireland game was a hoot.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 08:33
|
|
|
I guess the whole "Playing as the Nazis" thing is icky - it's a shame though, 'cause they provide a "hard mode" to play once you're familiar with the game, and alt-history is fun. It'd be cool if HoI4 had some alternative start scenarios like War in the Pacific does that beef up the Axis in semi-plausible ways to make the war less of a foregone conclusion - that way you'd get the hard mode without the ick.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 11:44
|
|
|
Larry Parrish posted:People like that guy make me embarassed to enjoy mapgames Larry Parrish posted:That's the joke. Groogy is a retard who doesn't understand why his game is fun. Not surprising to me though since a lot of SA mapgamer people seem to think it's a piece of webcomic art generation software instead of a game that you should play.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 13:32
|
|
|
When I play as Germany in HOI I just disband every military division and allow glorious communism to be brought to Berlin. My conscience and education will only allow me to play video games through the lens of the proletariat.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 13:40
|
|
|
RestRoomLiterature- posted:When I play as Germany in HOI I just disband every military division and allow glorious communism to be brought to Berlin. My conscience and education will only allow me to play video games through the lens of the proletariat. 
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 13:55
|
|
|
RestRoomLiterature- posted:When I play as Germany in HOI I just disband every military division and allow glorious communism to be brought to Berlin. My conscience and education will only allow me to play video games through the lens of the proletariat. Same but as Japan because communism needs anime
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 14:02
|
|
|
Funky Valentine posted:I wonder how the new culture mechanics in The Cossacks would realistically work. It does seem weird and gamey that you can convert your own state culture to another one. I'm assuming it works with a very large dose of hand-waving abstraction, and shouldn't be interpreted as a state action. Some sort of natural migration/demographic change which you pay for with monarch points as the 4th wall breaking player instead of the nation. EDIT: My immersion. 
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 15:39
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 24, 2024 19:10 |
|
|
Well he's not wrong
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2015 16:24
|
|