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hey merk do you have any thoughts about the game so far aside from me?
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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:Ecco I'm not interested in conversing with scum ~_~ hey that's cool and all but I don't think you can reasonably think I'm scum for the reasons you've stated. others have agreed with me about them (including foxterrier, who you think is town apparently).
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Oct 18, 2015 19:53
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Don't put words in my mouth thanks
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Oct 18, 2015 19:54
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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:Ecco I'm not interested in conversing with scum ~_~ Ugh, this is garbage because you have no idea if she is actually scum unless you are her scumbuddy.
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Oct 18, 2015 19:55
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I don't care what you guys think news at 11
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Oct 18, 2015 19:56
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isn't that problem of "looking at posting" on day 1? without votes, kills, and lynches to look at it's all just supposition
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Oct 18, 2015 19:56
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EccoRaven posted:hey merk do you have any thoughts about the game so far aside from me? Nope. Playing mostly on a phone this weekend.
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Oct 18, 2015 19:57
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isn't people volunteering/hiding from combat a unique insight in this sort of game? like town actually has info to go on day 1 b/c people are trying to fight/hiding from fighting?
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Oct 18, 2015 19:57
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And imgay just posted Verrs list in the other thread.
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Oct 18, 2015 19:57
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That is correct, Verr. I reiterate that merk cannot be allowed to taste battle today. My body, however, is ready.
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Oct 18, 2015 19:58
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Verr posted:isn't people volunteering/hiding from combat a unique insight in this sort of game? like town actually has info to go on day 1 b/c people are trying to fight/hiding from fighting? it doesn't really tell us anything. scum would prefer being in the back row, but I am sure they could say they would want to be in the front for whatever mechanics reason. until we know the full setup it's really hard to say either way what it all means. merk posted:Nope. Playing mostly on a phone this weekend. neat
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TMMadman posted:And imgay just posted Verrs list in the other thread.  even the enemy needs my awesome posting
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Oct 18, 2015 20:00
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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:I reiterate that merk cannot be allowed to taste battle today. My body, however, is ready.
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Oct 18, 2015 20:01
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EccoRaven posted:little mac etc. have credibility for eventually showing up and being contributing players; I know they're good for it down the line. Out of curiosity can anyone that knows metas confirm whether or not this is true? GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:Terrier is scum maybe but that vote seems so friggin wishy washy/unsure, feels town. Frustrating because she's supposed to be decent. Ask me questions directly because I'm on my phone, Terrier, but I'd like to converse with u My main questions would be: Why is forcing content day 1 bad? There's nothing to talk about to coming up with poo poo to make people post seems like a great idea. The only way to get anything to work with, really. Also, why would it be to Town's advantage to get rid of one of the top content generators, and someone known to be a strong player, Day 1 without a really strong case? I mean, if they flip scum, then great. But if they flip town...we just lost a strong asset. It seems to me like it makes way more sense to wait for at least one round of flips before pushing to get rid of people known to play strong Town games (esp. in a thread with several lurkers). Day 1 is when we have the least info, the cases suck the most, and we're most likely to make mistakes after all. I mean, maybe you feel you have a really strong case, but I just don't see one great enough to justify to risk of losing a strong player that there's still a good chance could be Town. Also, how is 'post your scumtells' not an Ecco approach if it's something they apparently did in games past? And lastly, why do you regard an encrypted post as claiming? I'm mean granted is dumb, but I don't see how it's claiming? Sorry that ended up being a lot of questions. You can ask me anything you want to, but I'm going to the store so I may not be able to get to you right away. Also my brain hurts from reading all those 
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Oct 18, 2015 20:03
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FoxTerrier posted:Out of curiosity can anyone that knows metas confirm whether or not this is true? I don't know about Little Mac, but Hiip is pretty well known for lurking/disappearing, especially when he is scum.
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Oct 18, 2015 20:12
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FoxTerrier posted:My main questions would be: Well, it isn't. The problem is Ecco doesn't traditionally agree with people who think like that. He's more of a "purist". Also, as verr points out, this isn't a traditional d1. We have other content to help us by way of battle info volunteering. The content that Ecco helped bring about : is it helpful? Did Ecco actually try to identify scum through it? No and no, my friend. Scummy motivation. quote:Also, why would it be to Town's advantage to get rid of one of the top content generators, and someone known to be a strong player, Day 1 without a really strong case? I'm a known strong player yet you're voting for me. The answer is simple. As town, we are charged with finding scum. It is not easy to find scum. Town must therefore chase down the scum they find whenever and wherever they find scum. This is what we are both doing. You happen to be wrong is all  quote:I mean, if they flip scum, then great. But if they flip town...we just lost a strong asset. It seems to me like it makes way more sense to wait for at least one round of flips before pushing to get rid of people known to play strong Town games (esp. in a thread with several lurkers). Day 1 is when we have the least info, the cases suck the most, and we're most likely to make mistakes after all. I mean, maybe you feel you have a really strong case, but I just don't see one great enough to justify to risk of losing a strong player that there's still a good chance could be Town. I have other thoughts and I promise to relay them when it's possible for me to do so coherently. If tomorrow I have time to post, I will. Ecco is scum. I'll make a real case barring shocking revelations when sober. quote:Also, how is 'post your scumtells' not an Ecco approach if it's something they apparently did in games past? I don't think its Eccoish. quote:And lastly, why do you regard an encrypted post as claiming? I'm mean granted is dumb, but I don't see how it's claiming. Consider the scenario fully. Ecco can be town or scum. If town, Ecco has just put a huge bullseye on her head for scum. She has also opened herself up to criticism. It does not actually benefit her or town. If scum, she is forcing more content generation. She is giving herself a role she has to play all game and given herself future credibility. She has sowed dissent among town. It benefits her team. What do you think?
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Oct 18, 2015 20:18
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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:Well, it isn't. The problem is Ecco doesn't traditionally agree with people who think like that. He's more of a "purist". if this is really half the basis for your vote on me (one you're so confident in you've ignored me) then that's very silly. GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:Consider the scenario fully. Ecco can be town or scum. If town, Ecco has just put a huge bullseye on her head for scum. She has also opened herself up to criticism. It does not actually benefit her or town. If scum, she is forcing more content generation. She is giving herself a role she has to play all game and given herself future credibility. She has sowed dissent among town. It benefits her team. if I am town (I am) it also gives me a role I have to play all game and gives me future credibility. this benefits my team because it benefits me, town. also putting a bullseye on my head isn't a bad thing at all if my role isn't very good, since then if the scum kill me I'm absorbing a kill from someone else. but, maybe my role is actually great??!! only me and busb know, the mafia don't! this is all very not good reasoning diqnol. it's unreasonable that you'd be so convinced I am scum from that.
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Oct 18, 2015 20:23
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I don't think your role sucks.
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Oct 18, 2015 21:10
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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:I don't think your role sucks. if you had such intimate knowledge of my role you'd also know I was town 
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Oct 18, 2015 21:13
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Thus making your play dumb.
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Oct 18, 2015 21:14
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but does it make me scum
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Oct 18, 2015 21:15
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It makes you scum or town that has just hurt town
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Oct 18, 2015 21:17
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You aren't a bad player, Ecco. You wouldn't flippantly make yourself a liability.
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Oct 18, 2015 21:17
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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:You aren't a bad player, Ecco. You wouldn't flippantly make yourself a liability.
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Oct 18, 2015 21:18
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You wouldn't make yourself a liability to town unless you are trolling. Are. You. Trolling?
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Oct 18, 2015 21:20
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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:You wouldn't make yourself a liability to town unless you are trolling. Are. You. Trolling? I promise you your concern for me making myself "a liability" is completely unplaced and unwarranted and unnecessary. If you think I have a great, powerful role that's on you. All I've done is code what I got.
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Oct 18, 2015 21:22
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and that's ultimately my problem Diqnol. You're basing your vote around things that are untrue ("ecco would never do this") and things that are totally and completely hypothetical ("ecco would never do that"). and you seem really, really confident about that all, which feels less like you're genuinely thinking you found scum and more like bravado to make your suspicion sound stronger than it is.
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Oct 18, 2015 21:27
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Thanks rest of thread for not saying anything at all during this, so loving glad
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Oct 18, 2015 21:45
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EccoRaven posted:I promise you your concern for me making myself "a liability" is completely unplaced and unwarranted and unnecessary. I think you owned yourself and thus town. Hanging you is a win either way now because we'd be playing with house money.
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Oct 18, 2015 21:46
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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:I think you owned yourself and thus town. Hanging you is a win either way now because we'd be playing with house money. so you'd rather vote me out than have scum nightkill me, since obviously scum want to nightkill me since I have such a great role.
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Oct 18, 2015 22:03
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Because if you don't, you're scum.
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Oct 18, 2015 22:09
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so if I don't have a great role that's because I'm scum? but if I do, that means I am definitely scum?
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Oct 18, 2015 22:12
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I would rather the scum nk someone I hadn't considered and thus impart upon me their character relative to the game dialogue than someone that will inevitably be nked and thus exactly what made sense had happened and our blind hang AND the nk gave us trash information. You might be scum making a gambit, too, so it's a high reward risk I'm taking.
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Oct 18, 2015 22:12
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so you don't want give a chance for the scum to nightkill me because you think I am scum.
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Oct 18, 2015 22:13
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Diqnol I am sensing a lot of "damned if you do/damned if you don't" from you. the impression seems to be that it doesn't matter if I'm actually scum or not, just that I need to be punished for making a cipher. I need to die because the scum would kill me anyway (but I'm actually scum anyway so the scum wouldn't kill me). A lot of language there too about me potentially being "a townie hurting the town," which also reads less like you actually think I'm scum and more like you want an out for when I flip town. "It was ecco's fault," you'd say, "the cipher post made them a liability."
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Oct 18, 2015 22:16
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I mean lol:GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:You might be scum making a gambit, too, so it's a high reward risk I'm taking. You're setting yourself up so if I die today you get to say it was my fault.
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Oct 18, 2015 22:20
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There is a lot of that because I have concluded that no matter what you say, your death is a town benefit.
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Oct 18, 2015 22:20
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You could say I'm...... .....eccogambiting....
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Oct 18, 2015 22:23
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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:your death is a town benefit. not if I am town with a great role hey diqnol how do you feel about merk? merk seems to think he'd be great in battle, why do you disagree? GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:You could say I'm...... ouch!
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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:Thanks rest of thread for not saying anything at all during this, so loving glad no problem
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