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mossyfisk posted:Makes you think about how ridiculously overpowered the Lord Ruler was. It kind of puts into prospective why Harmony made it so people couldn't have every magic power at the same time. I guess unless they have like 30 spikes in them. Ethiser fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Oct 14, 2015 |
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mossyfisk posted:Makes you think about how ridiculously overpowered the Lord Ruler was. Fortunately, he didn't know about the metal that enabled you to store luck. And yes, the Lord Ruler was probably the most powerful non-shardholder that we've seen in the Cosmere so far, except for Hoid perhaps. None of the others compare.
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Torrannor posted:Fortunately, he didn't know about the metal that enabled you to store luck. I reread the "I am, unfortunately, the Hero of Ages" epigraph a couple days ago, and Sazed seems to think that the Lord Ruler knew about all of the metals. quote:Yes, there are sixteen metals. I find it highly unlikely that the Lord Ruler did not know of them all. Indeed, the fact that he spoke of several on the plates in the storage caches meant that he knew at least of those.
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Law Cheetah posted:I reread the "I am, unfortunately, the Hero of Ages" epigraph a couple days ago, and Sazed seems to think that the Lord Ruler knew about all of the metals. Good catch! Then it's strange how he did not keep a reserve of these metals for emergencies. The ability to create speed bubbles or to wipe the metal reserves of enemy allomancers would have made him even more powerful. Perhaps he reasoned that nobody had any chance of beating him in a fight anyway.
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Oct 14, 2015 20:21
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He knew about them, but it was far too much trouble to allow other people the opportunity to use them, and the tech necessary would have been an issue as well. He suppressed chemistry because guns were something he didn't want in his society.
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Tunicate posted:He knew about them, but it was far too much trouble to allow other people the opportunity to use them, and the tech necessary would have been an issue as well. Yup. An early-renaissance culture would have a hell of a time creating some of the pure metals or their alloys. Not to mention that some of the unknowns are also pretty toxic. Makes you think...I guess for testing a new Misting you'd have to use very small amounts of metals, or you'd be giving everyone heavy metal poisoning.
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OAquinas posted:Makes you think...I guess for testing a new Misting you'd have to use very small amounts of metals, or you'd be giving everyone heavy metal poisoning. yeah. though since you can burn trace metals from the water supply, you really only need a tiny bit.
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Oct 14, 2015 20:44
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So, Wax hosed a Kandra.
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Oct 20, 2015 02:20
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Superstring posted:So, Wax hosed a Kandra. What point are you making?
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Oct 20, 2015 02:23
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flosofl posted:What point are you making? Brandon is a closet furry. 
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Superstring posted:So, Wax hosed a Kandra. He basically hosed an animated corpse.
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Oct 20, 2015 06:07
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Torrannor posted:He basically hosed an animated corpse. Since Lessie was a Kandra from the start, there is no reason why the bones had to be human - they could equally have been a True Body.
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Oct 20, 2015 06:14
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At least Brandon supports man on jelly marriage. Jury's still out on jam.
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So I'm confused. If Lessie was Bleeder the entire time, was Bloody Tan just a whacked out human?
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Oct 20, 2015 08:08
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Subterfrugal posted:So I'm confused. If Lessie was Bleeder the entire time, was Bloody Tan just a whacked out human?
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I don't think bloody tan was anything supernatural, Lessie could have jerked into the path of the bullet to fake her death according to harmony's plan
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mewse posted:I don't think bloody tan was anything supernatural, Lessie could have jerked into the path of the bullet to fake her death according to harmony's plan that also fits with harmony saying he didn't make her do anything he just pushed her really hard
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Subterfrugal posted:So I'm confused. If Lessie was Bleeder the entire time, was Bloody Tan just a whacked out human? Why isn't this spoilered? I really should've stayed out of this until I finished Shadows of Self.
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Oct 20, 2015 15:20
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Perhaps someone with platinum should report that post? It's a really, really bad spoiler.
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Oct 20, 2015 15:24
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Torrannor posted:Perhaps someone with platinum should report that post? It's a really, really bad spoiler. Already reported, apparently.
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OAquinas posted:Already reported, apparently. Can't a mod come in and put spoiler tags on it? I mean there's spoilers and then there's spoilers that strip all the emotional impact from the reveal at the climax of the book. Christ, what an rear end in a top hat.
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I reported it this morning when I saw Torrannor's post, pretty sad response time by the mods
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Superstring posted:So, Wax hosed a Kandra. Its a Sanderson story, they probably just blushed and touched eachother's hands a lot
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Shadows of Self debuted on #8 of the the Hardcover Fiction New York Times Bestseller List. Here's a nice little blog post from tor. com about it: http://www.tor.com/2015/10/21/mistborn-novel-shadows-of-self-debuts-on-the-new-york-times-bestseller-list/ It includes this Bands of Mourning excerpt/spoiler: Tor.com posted:“Lord Ladrian, could another Feruchemist use your metalminds?” Yes, why? There has never been an answer why it is impossible to use another Ferruchemist's metalminds, and this probably means that it isn't impossible at all! Combine this with the knowledge what the Bands of Mourning are exactly... I'm so down with reliving Rashek's memories of the trek to the Well of Ascension, his murder of Alendi, taking up Preservations power, being tricked by Ruin, creating his Final Empire, etc. Maybe this is the answer to the question what happens when you compound copper. Perhaps you can really relive the memories as if you were there. The only problem is that none of the protagonists are copper Ferrings.
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Well, based on the BoM description these are the lord ruler's metalminds. And you know how he had his atium bracers embedded in his body? Those were spikes, and you can use metalminds from a guy if you grab his power through hemalurgy
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Tunicate posted:Well, based on the BoM description these are the lord ruler's metalminds. And you know how he had his atium bracers embedded in his body? Those were spikes, and you can use metalminds from a guy if you grab his power through hemalurgy I thought in the 1st trilogy, Sazed mentions something about how each Keeper had an obligation to fill their metal minds with information on whatever area of study they were tasked with. The implication being this would be something the other Keepers could access if needed (because Keepers aren't immortal). It's entirely possible I simply made an incorrect assumption, but I'm wondering if Sazed/Harmony limited Feruchemy when he ascended. So it may be limitation imposed by Harmony as opposed to an intrinsic limitation of Feruchemy. Eh, the more I think about it, I'm probably misremembering/wrong about it. But I'll leave it here anyway.
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flosofl posted:I thought in the 1st trilogy, Sazed mentions something about how each Keeper had an obligation to fill their metal minds with information on whatever area of study they were tasked with. The implication being this would be something the other Keepers could access if needed (because Keepers aren't immortal). It's entirely possible I simply made an incorrect assumption, but I'm wondering if Sazed/Harmony limited Feruchemy when he ascended. So it may be limitation imposed by Harmony as opposed to an intrinsic limitation of Feruchemy. Pretty sure Sazed explicitly said People can't use each other's metalminds. Trying to do so basically meant you could tell something was there but you couldn't quite reach it. However, a Twinborn might be able to burn the metalmind itself and access the information so perhaps that's what the quote is getting at? Sazed wouldn't have known or factored a twinborn in to his explanation back in the Mistborn book where he says metalminds are specific to the person.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Pretty sure Sazed explicitly said People can't use each other's metalminds. Trying to do so basically meant you could tell something was there but you couldn't quite reach it. Now that you bring it up, I definitely recall that.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Pretty sure Sazed explicitly said People can't use each other's metalminds. Trying to do so basically meant you could tell something was there but you couldn't quite reach it. Dunno. I mean, Vin obviously can't burn a metalmind, so it seems like the identity-gating isn't just bypassed by using allomancy but aluminum feruchemy is also capable of hacking identity-locks, so you can make universal metalminds. In theory, ones so universal you don't even need to be a feruchemist to tap them?!!
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Evil Fluffy posted:Pretty sure Sazed explicitly said People can't use each other's metalminds. Trying to do so basically meant you could tell something was there but you couldn't quite reach it. Remember the prophecy of the hero of ages - Kwaan theorizes that the other people's coppermind memories of the prophecies were being altered to suggest that Ruin should be released from the Well of Ascension. Kwaan only remembers the true prophecies by ignoring the coppermind memories. If Ruin could gently caress with people's coppermind memories then it stands to reason that you could somehow use Hemalurgy to read those copperminds. Since we now know that Hemalurgy involves stapling a piece of someone else's spirit onto yourself, it makes sense that doing so would attune you enough to that person to "unlock" their old copperminds (along with other feruchemy stores?)
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Subvisual Haze posted:Remember the prophecy of the hero of ages - Kwaan theorizes that the other people's coppermind memories of the prophecies were being altered to suggest that Ruin should be released from the Well of Ascension. Kwaan only remembers the true prophecies by ignoring the coppermind memories. If Ruin could gently caress with people's coppermind memories then it stands to reason that you could somehow use Hemalurgy to read those copperminds. My pet theory is you can use someone else's metalminds if you kill them with a hemalurgic spike that steals that particular feruchemical power, because you're ripping off the bit of their soul that created the metalminds in the first place. The fact that Bleeder seemed to have quite a lot of speed built up (seriously, she uses speed for like half the book until she finally runs out) to me confirms that - she was using the dead feruchemists built up speed. Mind you, most of the book takes place over like one day so its maybe not that unusual.
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Lobsterpillar posted:My pet theory is you can use someone else's metalminds if you kill them with a hemalurgic spike that steals that particular feruchemical power, because you're ripping off the bit of their soul that created the metalminds in the first place. The fact that Bleeder seemed to have quite a lot of speed built up (seriously, she uses speed for like half the book until she finally runs out) to me confirms that - she was using the dead feruchemists built up speed. Mind you, most of the book takes place over like one day so its maybe not that unusual. Yeah we've already seen examples of the Lord Ruler and others compounding Feruchemy and Allomancy to huge effect, while Vin and the Inquisitors have used Hemalurgy to boost an Allomancy power. It makes sense that there would be some way to use Hemalurgy and Feruchemy together. Now as sort of interesting as this sounds, please Mr. Sanderson do not devote a 15 page block of text to how someone uses an energy transfer process between the 3 magics to create an infinite mana pool!
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Lobsterpillar posted:My pet theory is you can use someone else's metalminds if you kill them with a hemalurgic spike that steals that particular feruchemical power, because you're ripping off the bit of their soul that created the metalminds in the first place. The fact that Bleeder seemed to have quite a lot of speed built up (seriously, she uses speed for like half the book until she finally runs out) to me confirms that - she was using the dead feruchemists built up speed. Mind you, most of the book takes place over like one day so its maybe not that unusual. That one's been confirmed.
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So Tor has just released a flashback Dalinar chapter from Stormlight 3. http://www.tor.com/2015/10/23/brandon-sanderson-reveals-a-dalinar-chapter-from-stormlight-archive-book-3/ Just the Blackthorn being the Blackthorn.
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Pong Daddy posted:So Tor has just released a flashback Dalinar chapter from Stormlight 3. Well you can see why Sadeas wanted him back. I mean, Jesus.
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Dikkfor posted:Well you can see why Sadeas wanted him back. That chapter is exactly what I'd have hoped it to be. Also the gear he used at that point really makes me wonder/hope for a later chapter where he kills a shardbearer without any shards of his own, since he likely would be doing it through sheer skill/Thrill unlike Kaladin.
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Finished Shadows of Self a few days ago, after a re-read of Alloy of Law to refresh my memory of the characters. I actually enjoyed Alloy of Law a lot more this time around--when I read it post-release in 2011, I think I was a bit disappointed by its smaller scope, but I enjoyed the less epic nature of it this time around. I enjoyed Shadows of Self, too, though I don't think I was blown away by too many moments. The ending revelation about Lessie was a great twist. I wonder if this was Sanderson's original intent when writing Alloy of Law... It seems like Wax will be able to properly grieve/get over Lessie now, and I'm interested to see how his relationship develops with Sterris. I can take or leave Marasi, for the most part. She's fine, but not an incredibly interesting character, I think. I'm a pretty non-critical reader of genre fiction, and I love Sanderson's works, but I do have to make an extra effort to not find Wayne annoying... His personality is one thing, but the fact that a grown adult can't understand why "borrowing" things isn't okay means there must be something wrong with him. I don't know if Sanderson is consciously writing him this way, but I feel like he has to be somewhere on the autism spectrum. Really getting spoiled by the January release date of Bands of Mourning.
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Not A Hydroxyl Ion posted:I'm a pretty non-critical reader of genre fiction, and I love Sanderson's works, but I do have to make an extra effort to not find Wayne annoying... His personality is one thing, but the fact that a grown adult can't understand why "borrowing" things isn't okay means there must be something wrong with him. I don't know if Sanderson is consciously writing him this way, but I feel like he has to be somewhere on the autism spectrum. I understand that Wayne's trading is supposed to be impish and a counterpoint to Wax's steadfast cop role but Sanderson misstepped with it a couple times, IIRC Wayne boosts some nobleman's ornate pocket watch? I just remember at least one of his trades crossed the line from impish to mean spirited thievery. Then the scene where Wayne remixes everyone's drinks into cocktails, it did feel like Sanderson was describing an alien planet (someone else in this thread mentioned Sanderson's odd writing about liquor but I think the convo was overshadowed by the religious debate).
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Pong Daddy posted:So Tor has just released a flashback Dalinar chapter from Stormlight 3. That is just jizzworthy. Can't wait for the next book.
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Pong Daddy posted:So Tor has just released a flashback Dalinar chapter from Stormlight 3. Dear lord, Dalinar was a monster when he was younger. Much more brutal than I was expecting.
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