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Pham Nuwen posted:Every one of these could be mounted on the shoulders of a mecha and nobody would bat an eye. They made an anime about it too. Shoulder mounted speakers for singing in the vacuum of space:  Speaker Bazooka: 
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You fuckers are going to have me trawling thrift stores for old audio gear now. Thanks. 
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Funzo posted:You fuckers are going to have me trawling thrift stores for old audio gear now. Don't bother with that plastic junk. You want stuff that looks like this: Trabant posted:I just discovered this thread and it's taking all I have not to spam it with a thousand pictures of vintage hi-fi equipment. I guess it technically qualifies as obsolete? Stuff like: That Technics SE-A5 in particularly, with those softly-lit VU meters. It's borderline pornographic.
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Antifreeze Head posted:*Please don't set up a pirate radio station. Thanks for taking the time to explain all of this (mostly so I wouldn't feel compelled to). I'll pitch in to add that the FCC will allow unlicensed broadcasts for very low-power transmitters. The broadcast radius can't exceed 200 feet, though, so your underground 24/7 Depeche Mode marathon station would only be heard by your neighbors, but you'd really only need a cheap-rear end low-power transmitter and an old aerial from a scrapyard to serve as your antenna at that point since your PC or laptop could probably handle everything else assuming it has a mic built-in or you have a headset. You could set it all up yourself in your own home for very little money and the maintenance and overhead would be almost negligible. Obviously, you wouldn't do it as a moneymaking operation, but rather as a hobby. In the neighborhood I used to live in, there was a guy who had a setup like this in his basement. He'd cannibalized an old hi-fi console he found on a curb for his studio monitors, bartered with an aging radio hobbyist for his low-power transmitter, and used a cheap PC mic for his shows. I used to catch a few minutes of whatever the hell he was talking about when I'd get in the car to go to work every morning. Conspiracy theories, JESUS, clips from TV shows he'd recorded, and the most random selection of music ever. Dude would play Beethoven and nonchalantly segue right into Emerson, Lake & Palmer.
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Over in Automotive Insanity, noted Jeep whisperer Kastein toyed with the idea of setting up a personal FM station for streaming music all over his It's a decent enough idea, especially if you live out in the middle of nowhere and can stretch the definition of "200 feet" a bit. FM tuners are in every lovely car, truck and piece of farm equipment made for the last 60-70 years, and you could easily control the stream over the internet from a cell phone, even at basic 2G speeds. Or you could just have it play a huge playlist on shuffle forever. It would be much easier than trying to cover an entire property in wifi coverage good enough to stream music, and probably more reliable as well.
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JesustheDarkLord posted:I had a 301 disc player like that and after I got all the names in the power went out and I lost them. Obsolete technology: volatile memory storing anything of value.
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Slightly missed radiochat but I went to school for Radio and worked at the college's station for a year before I realized the industry wasn't for me. (The job was fine, but the industry is broken for reasons not related to "the death of radio.") Radio isn't going anywhere. Yes streaming music/MP3s have killed it slightly but it's still the best source for local news/weather/traffic when on the road. It's also the most reliable source of information during a disaster or emergency, since as long as the transmitter doesn't get destroyed most stations have a backup generator to run the station. Some people also use it as companionship. Next time you're listening to the radio, take note of the language the jock uses--they never say "you guys" or "everyone," they always use words like "you" to refer to the listener directly (or at least they should, if their PD is good.) This tends to be the case with the older crowd but even in the car, there's a level of comfort some people get (even unconsciously) listening to the radio and having a live person talking directly to them. Another big reason? At-work listening. Yes, some places have switched to satellite but the reason stuff like top 40 and easy listening stations are so goddamned ubiquitious is they're trying to capture the "office station" crowd for higher ratings. Higher ratings = more money from advertisers. In Toronto, our inoffensive easy-listening station averaged about 926,000 listeners a day, and I guarantee most of that is because your dentist's office or grocery store was tuned to it. Yes radio has taken a huge beating in the past 10 years but it's far from dead. The industry as a whole kinda sucks and I wouldn't recommend getting into it unless you really, really, really like radio, but it has nothing to do with radio dying. It's definitely shrinking but it will never die out completely.
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Platystemon posted:Obsolete technology: volatile memory storing anything of value. Oh hell, I am glad this is gone. Especially combined with the pre-'working sync via USB' electronics that meant my Psion, etc would lose all the data on it if you left them in a drawer long enough, yet there was no reliable way to copy the data off it. I still get cold sweats remembering a story I hear about someone who had his personal organiser seized by the police as part of a BS investigation, put in an evidence locker and left for the battery to slowly run down and wipe all the unique data on it, while the cops refused to charge it up.
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robodex posted:Slightly missed radiochat but I went to school for Radio and worked at the college's station for a year before I realized the industry wasn't for me. (The job was fine, but the industry is broken for reasons not related to "the death of radio.") The "companionship" thing really shouldn't be discounted--I think it's important to have someone at the station who makes his presence known from time to time. Although I find most DJs pretty obnoxious (they all have one of like 3 personalities), a station with no DJ at all feels really lifeless, makes me imagine a iPod set to shuffle and left plugged in at an unoccupied radio station. That's why I hate the Jack and Bob and whatever other man's-first-name formats, it's just a loving playlist on shuffle.
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spog posted:I still get cold sweats remembering a story I hear about someone who had his personal organiser seized by the police as part of a BS investigation, put in an evidence locker and left for the battery to slowly run down and wipe all the unique data on it, while the cops refused to charge it up. I would suggest marketing this to criminals (or dissidents, or the paranoid) as a security feature, except that high‐grade encryption is a thing that can be done on commodity hardware these days. You could also simulate it with a dead man’s switch in software if you really needed that exact functionality.
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:Thanks for taking the time to explain all of this (mostly so I wouldn't feel compelled to). I'll pitch in to add that the FCC will allow unlicensed broadcasts for very low-power transmitters. The broadcast radius can't exceed 200 feet, though, so your underground 24/7 Depeche Mode marathon station would only be heard by your neighbors, but you'd really only need a cheap-rear end low-power transmitter and an old aerial from a scrapyard to serve as your antenna at that point since your PC or laptop could probably handle everything else assuming it has a mic built-in or you have a headset. You could set it all up yourself in your own home for very little money and the maintenance and overhead would be almost negligible. Oh, for sure, anyone with an old laptop has just about everything they need to get started. Those little FM transmitters are cheap (and probably a candidate themselves for outdated tech as they were primarily used in cars where Bluetooth or at least AUX IN ports are now the norm) and if you get some old Radio Shack ones, they'll boom out to more than 200 feet anyway. I'm not sure if they are grandfathered in, but generally, the FCC is only going to do something about it if they get some complaints. There probably aren't a whole lot of complaints because if you're listening you like it so you don't want to kill it off. Most everyone else just shuffles off to some other spot on the dial probably unaware that it isn't even licensed. Those that do know are radio geeks, a large number of them probably living vicariously though the existence of the pirate station, so even the large ones can go unchecked for years. Again, don't set up a pirate radio station because it is illegal. It doesn't matter how stunningly easy it might be to do. And common! I'm actually in Canada and in remote parts of our north, especially first nations communities and reservations, you can just about do whatever. Some of these places don't even have roads, so Industry Canada/the CRTC isn't going to make a priority of shutting down some small transmitter so long as it isn't stepping on anyone's toes. In some of these places it is like a public address system. A woman will call the station and get the DJ to tell her husband that dinner is ready. Firearms deals will be brokered on live air. Sometimes the DJ will just burp on air. There are unregulated bingo games. The station will probably go off-air for hours at a time because someone didn't plug in the ipod. It's fantastic, in a way. Neighbourhood guy sounds awesome though. Having your own station that is pretty great, a radio playground just for you and if someone else likes it that's great otherwise they can gently caress off. All the same stuff can be done with online streaming now too, though it lacks the fun of finding that kind of weirdness on the dial.
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Platystemon posted:I would suggest marketing this to criminals (or dissidents, or the paranoid) as a security feature, except that high‐grade encryption is a thing that can be done on commodity hardware these days. You could also simulate it with a dead man’s switch in software if you really needed that exact functionality. Actually, now you mention it, it could be a workable product. Here in the UK, failure to supply a decryption password is a criminal offence, so that's not a great way to protect your data. quote:Officers lacked the proper skills and training “in too many cases” and had “limited” access to forensics or mobile information technology that could allow them to solve crimes. BRB, investing in an old volatile memory company to offer something to the tinfoil brigade.
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spog posted:Actually, now you mention it, it could be a workable product. Depends on if the penalty for failure to supply your password is more or less than what you'd be convicted of if they did have the password.
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Oct 20, 2015 17:28
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Grumbletron 4000 posted:Any of those could be replaced by a JVC Kaboom! Box. I had one and it was an amazing piece. Oh wow. I have one of these, but I only use it a few times a year.
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Imagined posted:Depends on if the penalty for failure to supply your password is more or less than what you'd be convicted of if they did have the password. I think it's still murky in the US. I know they can force you to divulge a safe combination if they are certain that specific evidence in the safe. In fact if you fail to provide it or "forget", I think they simply proceed as if that evidence existed. However, if the specific evidence listed in the warrant is NOT in there, they can't use anything else they find. I think the US Court (the feds at least) have come down on the side of they can't compel you unless they specifically list what they want to find and they especially can't for "fishing expeditions" just like with physical safes. Then there's a poo poo-heels at the US Border Patrol. I think they still have the "give us your password, or we'll just take your computer and maybe give it back to you... one day..."
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I seem to think a few times there have been old radio station assets show up on federal government auction websites, too, that have included tower and land and building, maybe even some equipment for what I seem to recall being fairly cheap. Probably no license, though.
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spog posted:Actually, now you mention it, it could be a workable product. I wonder what the market is for a lockscreen that has two PINs/passwords. One unlocks, the other wipes. Or maybe just deletes things like text history, photos, etc... but doesn't do a full wipe, so it's less obvious and let's you avoid a destruction of evidence charge.
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Pham Nuwen posted:The "companionship" thing really shouldn't be discounted--I think it's important to have someone at the station who makes his presence known from time to time. Although I find most DJs pretty obnoxious (they all have one of like 3 personalities), a station with no DJ at all feels really lifeless, makes me imagine a iPod set to shuffle and left plugged in at an unoccupied radio station. That's why I hate the Jack and Bob and whatever other man's-first-name formats, it's just a loving playlist on shuffle. Oh yes this is 100% true. We actually had Jack FM here a few years back and it tanked in the ratings, even though it was playing the same stuff as the other rock station. The biggest reason was because it was literally just a station on automation, nobody listened to it because it didn't offer anything over just putting MP3s on. The human element is huge in radio and the only time a station should ever do it is if you've had a huge shakeup and are flipping formats and need to fill air so you don't lose your license. Again, it's easy to discount radio as obsolete, especially if you're in the demographic that grew up on MP3s and streaming. But it's far from it, and it will never truly go away.
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:Thanks for taking the time to explain all of this (mostly so I wouldn't feel compelled to). I'll pitch in to add that the FCC will allow unlicensed broadcasts for very low-power transmitters. The broadcast radius can't exceed 200 feet, though, so your underground 24/7 Depeche Mode marathon station would only be heard by your neighbors, but you'd really only need a cheap-rear end low-power transmitter and an old aerial from a scrapyard to serve as your antenna at that point since your PC or laptop could probably handle everything else assuming it has a mic built-in or you have a headset. You could set it all up yourself in your own home for very little money and the maintenance and overhead would be almost negligible. Do you live next to Dale Gribble?
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DrBouvenstein posted:I wonder what the market is for a lockscreen that has two PINs/passwords. I AM SHER LOCKED
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DrBouvenstein posted:I wonder what the market is for a lockscreen that has two PINs/passwords. TrueCrypt hidden volumes were sort of like this.
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Antifreeze Head posted:*Please don't set up a pirate radio station. My cousin once found a pirate radio station on a road trip that played nothing but Tone Loc's Wild Thing on repeat. He made his passengers listen to it for over an hour of freeway driving until it went out of range. The best one I ever found was a guy doing Michael Winslow style static noises with his mouth (but not as good). The next day the station had a guy quietly repeating "beatbeatbeatbeatbeat" while another guy screamed "THE BEAT" over top of him.
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DrBouvenstein posted:I wonder what the market is for a lockscreen that has two PINs/passwords. Don't iphones have a function where it wipes the device when you type in your code wrong to many times? Its been a few years since I've used one.
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Platystemon posted:I would suggest marketing this to criminals (or dissidents, or the paranoid) as a security feature, except that high‐grade encryption is a thing that can be done on commodity hardware these days. You could also simulate it with a dead man’s switch in software if you really needed that exact functionality. You can be compelled to unlock things, because who cares about that fifth amendment thing right? Something that will kill itself is better in that sense.
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DicktheCat posted:Do you live next to Dale Gribble? Nah, his name was Rusty. Rusty Shackleford.
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Antifreeze Head posted:Oh, for sure, anyone with an old laptop has just about everything they need to get started. Those little FM transmitters are cheap (and probably a candidate themselves for outdated tech as they were primarily used in cars where Bluetooth or at least AUX IN ports are now the norm) and if you get some old Radio Shack ones, they'll boom out to more than 200 feet anyway. I'm not sure if they are grandfathered in, but generally, the FCC is only going to do something about it if they get some complaints. There probably aren't a whole lot of complaints because if you're listening you like it so you don't want to kill it off. Most everyone else just shuffles off to some other spot on the dial probably unaware that it isn't even licensed. Those that do know are radio geeks, a large number of them probably living vicariously though the existence of the pirate station, so even the large ones can go unchecked for years. I love that kind of stuff, it's what makes living in a small community so charming. While I grew up, my mom would sometimes call the local bus driver and tell him (or his wife) to take me for another trip round the school route because she was coming home late. My uncle also drove for them for a while, so sometimes when I was the last kid on the bus and my uncle was driving, he'd just drive it to the depot and then drop me off on his way home instead. There are definitely things I don't miss about living a fair distance from any major city, but it certainly had its charms.
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Keiya posted:You can be compelled to unlock things, because who cares about that fifth amendment thing right? Something that will kill itself is better in that sense. U.S. law is actually a bit weird here: You cannot be compelled to provide something you know (password, pin code, etc) under the 5th amendment right to avoid self-incrimination. A court can, however, compel you to provide access where there is reasonable knowledge of evidence present (unreasonable search and seizure). Sometimes, these two conflict, and unless you can afford the legal bills, you will lose. You can, however, be compelled to provide something you are (DNA, fingerprint) without a court order. So, if you use TouchID or other fingerprint locking, the police can compel you to unlock the phone or otherwise 'open' the device, without the need for court intervention. Thus, if you care about the contents of your phone, never use fingerprint, facial recognition, etc, as a locking method.
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Shai-Hulud posted:Don't iphones have a function where it wipes the device when you type in your code wrong to many times? Its been a few years since I've used one. Yes, but you need to activate it yourself in the settings. It's only really useful if you've got seriously sensitive info on your phone (legal or otherwise). For a regular user who doesn't have anything more incriminating than some of their girlfriend's nudes, it's probably more likely an avenue for someone to troll you by wiping your phone when you put it down at a party or something.
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Plus there are all the backdoors Apple has built into their devices. And SIGINT stuff like Stingray or Triggerfish. 
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I dunno how it is in other countries, but here in the U.S., most police departments have a kit that lets them break into any phone regardless of what security you put on it. Even the podunk rural povertyland municipal PD in my town has one. Sometimes it takes a while to crack something open, but it's just a matter of the detective plugging it in, starting the software, and going to lunch or whatever. A younger and rowdier Fai would argue that such a thing is an invasion of privacy, but our PD recently used it to take down a CP ring, so I'm all for it.  One dude had CP of his own daughter on his phone
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C.M. Kruger posted:Plus there are all the backdoors Apple has built into their devices. And SIGINT stuff like Stingray or Triggerfish. Apple hasn't had the ability to unlock full device encryption for at least the last two iterations of the phone hardware/OS. And unless you *specifically* escrow your key with them via iCloud, they've never been able to recover an OS X drive encrypted via FileVault. That's one reason all the law enforcement agencies, from local all they way up to the Federal TLAs, are trying get the legislators to pass laws to allow the government to compel Apple and Google to bake a back door into the latest generation phones and OSes. Hell, there have been slide-decks leaked from law enforcement meetings bitching and moaning about the fact they can't just hook up a device and siphon data from the phones anymore. But please tell me all about how full device encryption using AES-256 is easily compromised. 
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flosofl posted:Then there's a poo poo-heels at the US Border Patrol. I think they still have the "give us your password, or we'll just take your computer and maybe give it back to you... one day..." Three passwords, three logins. There's my 'real', regular one that's my standard login - Unrelated to my real name, my aging handle from way back in the bad old days of BBS. There's the innocuous 'TSA/CBP wants to verify that my computer is a computer' account, uses first-initial-last-name, that has a handful of licensed apps and is logged into my Google account on Chrome. Then there's initials-punctuation-numberstring. Log into that one and it escalates to root in the background and erases the private key for decrypting the SSD then issues a reboot command. Working security is a tough gig sometimes.
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:A younger and rowdier Fai would argue that such a thing is an invasion of privacy, but our PD recently used it to take down a CP ring, so I'm all for it. Well, that's the problem. The times when privacy invasion works to take down serious criminals inevitably gets used to justify its use on people who don't deserve it. That said, the problem isn't necessarily the existence of that software as much as it is preventing it from being used frivolously to breach people's privacy when unneeded. The same reason why you'd be okay with a police officer getting a warrant to sift through someone's filing cabinets looking for evidence of fraud, but not okay with them arresting a guy for DUI and then using that as an excuse to turn over his house.
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:I dunno how it is in other countries, but here in the U.S., most police departments have a kit that lets them break into any phone regardless of what security you put on it. Even the podunk rural povertyland municipal PD in my town has one. Sometimes it takes a while to crack something open, but it's just a matter of the detective plugging it in, starting the software, and going to lunch or whatever. Its probably just a brute force attacker - automatically guesses the password until it finds a hit. If they're able to defeat your encryption with one it means your password was relatively easy to guess (combination of common words and/or sequential numbers - like "password1234".) With a strong enough password a 256 bit encryption key is nigh unbreakable by any method that will deliver results in your lifetime. Geoj has a new favorite as of 22:53 on Oct 20, 2015 |
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EoRaptor posted:U.S. law is actually a bit weird here: I can vaguely recall one instance where a guy was jailed for contempt of court(for a year or something) for refusing to give his (email?) password. I Think it was a case where there was a ton of evidence that he had been hiding money owed to like an ex-wife or something? I think he was released after the judge observed further imprisonment was unlikely to compel him to disclose the information. In US v. Fricosu, I think a judge ruled that someone could be compelled to hand over a password for a laptop in order to get a specific piece of information that was already known to exist. The EFF was against this because (i think) the defendant wasn't guaranteed immunity from anything else found on the laptop, which would be a 5th amendment violation. At the end nothing was ruled though, because a family member gave the government the password. Then there was that time an IT guy in SF went to jail for not giving the city the passwords to a network he built. I recall being hilariously unsympathetic because he was the kind of IT rear end in a top hat who would refuse his coworkers any access to "his" network. http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/S-F-officials-locked-out-of-computer-network-3205200.php
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Exit Strategy posted:Three passwords, three logins. There's my 'real', regular one that's my standard login - Unrelated to my real name, my aging handle from way back in the bad old days of BBS. There's the innocuous 'TSA/CBP wants to verify that my computer is a computer' account, uses first-initial-last-name, that has a handful of licensed apps and is logged into my Google account on Chrome. Then there's initials-punctuation-numberstring. Log into that one and it escalates to root in the background and erases the private key for decrypting the SSD then issues a reboot command. Oh man I know "user name/post combo" is verboten but that just fits perfectly  Can we make the TSA obsolete? Pretty please? Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if half of the content in this thread looked suss to them for being computery and too old for them to recognise.
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If you have some time there is a good DefCon talk about search, seizure, the 4th and 5th amendments and how safe laws apply to computers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibQGWXfWc7c
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Exit Strategy posted:Three passwords, three logins. There's my 'real', regular one that's my standard login - Unrelated to my real name, my aging handle from way back in the bad old days of BBS. There's the innocuous 'TSA/CBP wants to verify that my computer is a computer' account, uses first-initial-last-name, that has a handful of licensed apps and is logged into my Google account on Chrome. Then there's initials-punctuation-numberstring. Log into that one and it escalates to root in the background and erases the private key for decrypting the SSD then issues a reboot command. I do the first two, but your third variation never occurred to me. Thanks for the tip!
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