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chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Geoj posted:

Its probably just a brute force attacker - automatically guesses the password until it finds a hit. If they're able to defeat your encryption with one it means your password was relatively easy to guess (combination of common words and/or sequential numbers - like "password1234".) With a strong enough password a 256 bit encryption key is nigh unbreakable by any method that will deliver results in your lifetime.

I've played around with some of the software before. Elcomsoft works in several ways to get a password, like for iCloud it can pull a binary authentication token off the user's computer if they have the iCloud Control panel and use that to get the iCloud password without brute forcing it (if the person has two-factor authentication, it still needs access to the second trusted device or recovery key to break in and it can't get through Microsoft two-factor authentication currently).

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Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Geoj posted:

Its probably just a brute force attacker - automatically guesses the password until it finds a hit. If they're able to defeat your encryption with one it means your password was relatively easy to guess (combination of common words and/or sequential numbers - like "password1234".) With a strong enough password a 256 bit encryption key is nigh unbreakable by any method that will deliver results in your lifetime.

That's why the iPhone is set to *not* trust computers by default now. You have manually tell it to trust the computer, and the phone has to be unlocked before you can do that. That tool has a serious chicken and egg problem now.

And if you're paranoid (smart) you never hook the phone up to any of your own computers and set up trust. There's absolutely no need any longer. Just hook it up to charge if you need to, but don't trust the computer. That means no cached key. And it doesn't matter if you have the iCloud password, the device is encrypted with a device level key that's not stored in the iCloud keychain. And the iCloud backups are encrypted using that same key.

If you're using a 4 digit PIN, well that one is on you. If you use a longer one with the fingerprint, just power off the phone before you hand it over (it's a quick and easy swipe). It will reject a fingerprint after a power cycle.

Gromit
Aug 15, 2000

I am an oppressed White Male, Asian women wont serve me! Save me Campbell Newman!!!!!!!

flosofl posted:

If you're using a 4 digit PIN, well that one is on you.

A guy datamined a leaked list of 3.4 million 4-digit pin codes and found that 25% of them can be guessed in 10 attempts or less.

90s Solo Cup
Feb 22, 2011

To understand the cup
He must become the cup



robodex posted:

From a few pages ago, but these actually got pretty advanced in their hayday. I have a PS1 Gameshark Pro, which I believe is one of the few cheat devices released for consoles that you could actually do direct memory searches to make your own cheats.

With the PS2 they became a bit less advanced but I spent so much time trying to make my own cheats back in the day.

The PS1 I had didn't come with the serial port in the back, so I wound up buying the Gameshark CDX. I didn't know if it had that memory search option, since I always looked up codes on GameFAQs, et al. It made winning licenses for Gran Turismo and GT2 that much easier.

I also had an Action Replay Max for my PS2, although most games I had already had their own cheat codes. I mainly used it to get cash and unlock cars on GT3 and GT4.

eminkey2003 posted:

Back in the 90s, my cousin had a humongous stereo like these. Does anyone use them anymore? Most people just use their computer.



80s boombox is best boombox.

90s Solo Cup has a new favorite as of 03:09 on Oct 21, 2015

Geoj
May 28, 2008

BITTER POOR PERSON

chitoryu12 posted:

Elcomsoft works in several ways to get a password, like for iCloud it can pull a binary authentication token off the user's computer if they have the iCloud Control panel and use that to get the iCloud password without brute forcing it

There's definitely ways around 256 bit encryption but they all involve some form or another of obtaining the password or key to open the encryption.

If the government had a way to break the actual algorithm they certainly wouldn't waste it on common criminals and pedophiles, much less put it in the hands of common law enforcement. If the government has that capability (it's highly doubtful they do) it would be used to break spy rings and foreign dispatches, and kept highly classified.

deoju
Jul 11, 2004

All the pieces matter.
Nap Ghost
Somebody mentioned short distance FM for broadcasting across their property a couple of pages back. That reminds me, there's a Drive-In theater not far from me that broadcasts the movies audio that way.

Drive-Ins are rad, BTW.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


deoju posted:

Somebody mentioned short distance FM for broadcasting across their property a couple of pages back. That reminds me, there's a Drive-In theater not far from me that broadcasts the movies audio that way.

Drive-Ins are rad, BTW.

Yeah, I live close to the biggest (only?) drive-in in northern Europe, and that's how they do it. 3 screens, 3 FM channels, they play music and upcoming movies when they aren't showing anything.

It's pretty fun when you've got a totally banging system in your car.

Croccers
Jun 15, 2012

Gromit posted:

A guy datamined a leaked list of 3.4 million 4-digit pin codes and found that 25% of them can be guessed in 10 attempts or less.
My phone pin has 7 digits but it would still be one of the easiest ones to guess :downsgun:

Ellie Crabcakes
Feb 1, 2008

Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

Croccers posted:

My phone pin has 7 digits but it would still be one of the easiest ones to guess :downsgun:
8675309?

Samizdata
May 14, 2007

KozmoNaut posted:

Yeah, I live close to the biggest (only?) drive-in in northern Europe, and that's how they do it. 3 screens, 3 FM channels, they play music and upcoming movies when they aren't showing anything.

It's pretty fun when you've got a totally banging system in your car.

Until your car battery goes dead during a double feature...

Croccers
Jun 15, 2012
Crap why didn't I think of that/Haha no :smug:

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006

Geoj posted:

There's definitely ways around 256 bit encryption but they all involve some form or another of obtaining the password or key to open the encryption.

Yeah generally you can get around encryption by using the key to decrypt it.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Croccers posted:

My phone pin has 7 digits but it would still be one of the easiest ones to guess :downsgun:

5318008 is not a secure PIN, nor is 9112001.

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

sleepy gary posted:

Yeah generally you can get around encryption by using the key to decrypt it.

That seems like a big security hole!

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

flosofl posted:

I think it's still murky in the US.

I know they can force you to divulge a safe combination if they are certain that specific evidence in the safe. In fact if you fail to provide it or "forget", I think they simply proceed as if that evidence existed. However, if the specific evidence listed in the warrant is NOT in there, they can't use anything else they find.

I think the US Court (the feds at least) have come down on the side of they can't compel you unless they specifically list what they want to find and they especially can't for "fishing expeditions" just like with physical

They also can't compel you if the fact that you know the safe combination is evidence that the safe is yours. Like, if it's known that you own the safe, and they suspect the safe is full of drugs, they can get a court order requiring you to divulge the combination. But if they have a safe full of drugs and they merely suspect that it's your safe, then compelling you to divulge the combination would violate your right against self-incrimination, because giving up the combination would prove that it's your safe. They'd need to establish via other evidence that doesn't come from you that it's your safe, first.

Digital encryption methods have the additional benefit of hidden volumes (one password decrypts the hard drive so you can read your list of drug contacts and arms dealers, the other decrypts that same hard drive to show nothing but your embarrassing, but entirely legal, nunporn collection) or duress codes (you don't surrender your password, you surrender a code that when entered scrubs the data. You might go to jail for destruction of evidence but that's probably a lesser charge than what they were investigating you for).

Pilsner
Nov 23, 2002

KozmoNaut posted:

Don't bother with that plastic junk. You want stuff that looks like this:


That Technics SE-A5 in particularly, with those softly-lit VU meters. It's borderline pornographic.
Are you going to hurt me when I say that I recently threw this out, as it was left in my house by the previous owner?



As cool as it looked, I just couldn't think of a use for it. It was huge, had no aux/line-in, and the guy already left some working B&O amplifiers and receivers that were much more useful.

Croccers
Jun 15, 2012

Jedit posted:

5318008 is not a secure PIN, nor is 9112001.
:colbert:
It's long enough that it's going to stop people from casually picking up my phone and loving with it which is all I'm really worried about.
Also is 9112001 really that popular of a PIN?

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

Tubesock Holocaust posted:

80s boombox is best boombox.



The one my cousins had took something like 10 D cell batteries if you didn't want to plug it in. From what I remember, despite having to clean out a store's entire battery supply to power it, it still didn't last very long.

Trebek
Mar 7, 2002
College Slice

Croccers posted:

:colbert:
It's long enough that it's going to stop people from casually picking up my phone and loving with it which is all I'm really worried about.
Also is 9112001 really that popular of a PIN?

8675309 is almost uncrackable.

JesustheDarkLord
May 22, 2006

#VolsDeep
Lipstick Apathy

Croccers posted:

Also is 9112001 really that popular of a PIN?

It's important that you pick something you'll never forget.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Pilsner posted:

Are you going to hurt me when I say that I recently threw this out, as it was left in my house by the previous owner?



As cool as it looked, I just couldn't think of a use for it. It was huge, had no aux/line-in, and the guy already left some working B&O amplifiers and receivers that were much more useful.

Nah, that's just a tuner and not worth much unless you're deeply into FM/AM radio. You could probably have gotten a couple hundred kroner on DBA for it, though.

Now, had that been a receiver, it would have been another story altogether, and I would have been on my way to your address with a dull rusty knife.

KozmoNaut has a new favorite as of 14:25 on Oct 21, 2015

Tony quidprano
Jan 19, 2014
IM SO BAD AT ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT F1 IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY SOME DUDE WITH TOO MUCH FREE MONEY WILL KEEP CHANGING IT UNTIL I SHUT THE FUCK UP OR ACTUALLY POST SOMETHING THAT ISNT SPEWING HATE/SLURS/TELLING PEOPLE TO KILL THEMSELVES

KozmoNaut posted:

Nah, that's just a tuner and not worth much unless you're deeply into FM/AM radio. You could probably have gotten a couple hundred kroner on DBA for it, though.

Now, had that been a receiver, it would have been another story altogether, and I would have been on my way to your address with a dull rusty knife.

I'll have to post pictures of my 70s Sansui Receiver/tuner tonight.

Fo3
Feb 14, 2004

RAAAAARGH!!!! GIFT CARDS ARE FUCKING RETARDED!!!!

(I need a hug)

1500quidporsche posted:

I'll have to post pictures of my 70s Sansui Receiver/tuner tonight.

what was really interesting to me was in the late 90s, sansui started popping up as a budget home/car audio brand, and no one in Australia that I knew of had ever heard of that brand before.

It's not a revelation to me now as I researched it back then and I know it's an old Japanese brand, but interesting how they faded out of existence again from our market.
There's a heap of 2nd hand stuff around from the 90s that people bought which are now orphans, but I don;t know of any older gear.

Tony quidprano
Jan 19, 2014
IM SO BAD AT ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT F1 IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY SOME DUDE WITH TOO MUCH FREE MONEY WILL KEEP CHANGING IT UNTIL I SHUT THE FUCK UP OR ACTUALLY POST SOMETHING THAT ISNT SPEWING HATE/SLURS/TELLING PEOPLE TO KILL THEMSELVES
Yeah I had no clue they were actually a big market force in the 60s and 70s until I got mine and looked up the brand.

They're kind of like Blaupunkt where if you told somebody that name now they'd have no clue what you're talking about, but they were practically an institution in car audio in the 80s. Crazy how fast you can fall.

Exit Strategy
Dec 10, 2010

by sebmojo

flosofl posted:

I do the first two, but your third variation never occurred to me. Thanks for the tip!

It's important to have encrypted backups in a very secure location if you need to use Option 3.

Jedit posted:

5318008 is not a secure PIN, nor is 9112001.

I get the first one, but what's the second referencing?

Exit Strategy has a new favorite as of 16:42 on Oct 21, 2015

Trabant
Nov 26, 2011

All systems nominal.

JesustheDarkLord posted:

It's important that you pick something you'll never forget.

:vince:

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

Exit Strategy posted:

I get the first one, but what's the second referencing?

Don't tell me you forgot :911:

tribbledirigible
Jul 27, 2004
I finally beat the internet. The end boss was hard.

Exit Strategy posted:




I get the first one, but what's the second referencing?

Hint: it's a date.

robodex
Jun 6, 2007

They're what's for dinner
in fairness i tried turning it upside down and wondered what loosiib meant

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

loos libs sink shibs

Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


Jedit posted:

5318008 is not a secure PIN, nor is 9112001.

Took me way too long to get the second one, but what's the first one? My guess it has to do with boobs.

CAROL
Oct 29, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

HardDisk posted:

Took me way too long to get the second one, but what's the first one? My guess it has to do with boobs.

its computer language for boobies and its how nerds flirt

Ellie Crabcakes
Feb 1, 2008

Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

HardDisk posted:

Took me way too long to get the second one, but what's the first one? My guess it has to do with boobs.
Kids these days.

Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


Completely forgot about that. At least I got the boobs right.

titties
May 10, 2012

They're like two suicide notes stuffed into a glitter bra

for shame

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



1500quidporsche posted:

They're kind of like Blaupunkt where if you told somebody that name now they'd have no clue what you're talking about, but they were practically an institution in car audio in the 80s. Crazy how fast you can fall.

Blaupunkt is basically the only company that makes a head unit that doesn't look completely retarded in a 1986 Crown Victoria. About $100 and it's pretty usable too.

Tony quidprano
Jan 19, 2014
IM SO BAD AT ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT F1 IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY SOME DUDE WITH TOO MUCH FREE MONEY WILL KEEP CHANGING IT UNTIL I SHUT THE FUCK UP OR ACTUALLY POST SOMETHING THAT ISNT SPEWING HATE/SLURS/TELLING PEOPLE TO KILL THEMSELVES

Pham Nuwen posted:

Blaupunkt is basically the only company that makes a head unit that doesn't look completely retarded in a 1986 Crown Victoria. About $100 and it's pretty usable too.

They make good looking units and admittedly I've got one sitting in a box waiting to go into my Scirocco. But Bosch just licenses the name out and the quality isn't as good as what it used to be.

JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!

1500quidporsche posted:

They make good looking units and admittedly I've got one sitting in a box waiting to go into my Scirocco. But Bosch just licenses the name out and the quality isn't as good as what it used to be.

Along those lines, someone was going crazy that Kmart and Sears were selling Nakamichi-branded speakers and headphones with an "They are the best!"

However, I never heard of them until I saw them at Sears/Kmart. Is it similar to one of those things that they were at one time a sort of semi-premium brand that is now only that brand in name only, having its name used on products sort of like how there's a ton of Polaroid-branded electronics out there?

CroatianAlzheimers
Jun 15, 2009

I can't remember why I'm mad at you...


KozmoNaut posted:

Nah, that's just a tuner and not worth much unless you're deeply into FM/AM radio. You could probably have gotten a couple hundred kroner on DBA for it, though.

Now, had that been a receiver, it would have been another story altogether, and I would have been on my way to your address with a dull rusty knife.

Oooooooooooooookay, stupid question time. What's the difference between a tuner and a receiver?

As for Sansui, I have a super-early 90s Sansui (I don't know if it's a tuner or receiver) that's super nice. I've had it since new, and it just recently got relegated to garage stereo along with the big old Pioneer cabinet speakers it's been driving all these years.

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Trabant
Nov 26, 2011

All systems nominal.
Stealing a nice piece of nostalgia from YOSPOS:


boomshakalakakickitupmothafucka

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