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. Serial was the smaller port for linking two PS1s for multiplayer. Another obsolete technology: networking over serial cables. The physics department of my university was wired for DECnet, and there were thick bundles of cables strewn absolutely everywhere, often connected to long dead dishwasher-sized machines
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More "out of style" than obselete, but the El Kameleon. It was a head unit for your car when when powered off the little control tray slid back inside and the front panel was just flat black. It was billed as an anti-thievery measure, instead of removable faceplate it just looked like you had no radio at all! Of course that was nonsense, but it still looked rad as gently caress. I bought one when I got my first real job and had the money to spend on such things, it actually lasted quite a while. The typical failure mode was the movement mechanism would jam up, which mine did but I just cracked it open and prodded it back into working order. The CD player finally gave up the ghost and I replaced it, but man was it cool while it lasted.
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1500quidporsche posted:Question because I've been looking through old Hifi catalogues: How common was it for people to actually buy their hifi system as a complete set? My father bought a complete Panasonic system. It was c. 1976 and he paid about $350, I think. I'm still using it. It has a record player/radio/8-track player, two speakers and a tape deck. The radio antenna doesn't even need to be set up properly to pick up a huge amount of stations. My grandparents had a console-based record player and 8-track player. There may be more to it. It's massive and when they quit using it for music, it became a table to hold all the family photos. It looks something like this. 
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I just sold my 2004 Deville so up until about a week ago I was using this to listen to my iphone in my car.  Pretty sure I used these in various piece of poo poo cars I've owned in the past that didn't have CD players. Hook this bad boy up to a discman and you were set bro.
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KozmoNaut posted:Tandberg ruled for both reel-to-reel and cassette tape, especially for professional users, since they had the most advanced features and highest reliability. No fancy gimmicks, just solid Norwegian engineering.
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Dick Trauma posted:Nixie tubes are the best, but vacuum fluorescent is a close second. After years of the dull LED readouts the VF ones looked gloriously bright. Until you posted this, I completely forgot that I got one of these years back. It's such a cool specialized VFD: http://www.kosbo.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=75   The big downside to VFDs is that they will degrade over time, depending on the brightness. There are also lots of weird failure modes that can occur after like a decade if the associated circuitry cuts corners. Since so many of these are custom (or just specialized), finding replacements can be harder than with nixie tubes.
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Slanderer posted:The big downside to VFDs is that they will degrade over time, depending on the brightness. There are also lots of weird failure modes that can occur after like a decade if the associated circuitry cuts corners. Since so many of these are custom (or just specialized), finding replacements can be harder than with nixie tubes. Yeah, which brings me to another obsolete-and-failed product: digital dashboards in cars. I don't know HOW many 80's Ford products I worked on (I'm a mechanic) that had zero or little speedometer functionality after their vacuum fluorescent dash readouts faded away to never-neverland. The owners didn't even try to fix 'em, the cost of new parts were immense and all the used ones were just as bad. I remember the '84 Corvette having a weird-rear end digital dash, some people raved about it, but I thought it was fugly even then. And '80's Japanese cars with "Tokyo-by-night" over-the-top digital dashes, those were the days. Now, at least, most manufacturers leave the important info in a classic gauge cluster and throw their techie stuff into nav systems and such, which you can mostly ignore.
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JnnyThndrs posted:Yeah, which brings me to another obsolete-and-failed product: digital dashboards in cars. I don't know HOW many 80's Ford products I worked on (I'm a mechanic) that had zero or little speedometer functionality after their vacuum fluorescent dash readouts faded away to never-neverland. The owners didn't even try to fix 'em, the cost of new parts were immense and all the used ones were just as bad. One of my coworkers used to have an early 90s Toyota. It had an odd digital dashboard, some kind of VFD mounted behind a collimating fresnel lens so you didn't have to refocus your eyes to look at the dash. I always wondered why they never caught on.
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Enos Shenk posted:More "out of style" than obselete, but the El Kameleon. It's definitely obsolete because car stereo thievery seems to have died out long ago. Used to be that you would be in very real danger of coming out to find your car door jimmied or window smashed and your system stripped, if not your whole car stolen. This was a very real problem in the late 90,s at least. I remember the Elkameleon well. I had the first Kenwood flip face head unit. There were the first anti theft stereos where the whole unit slid out of its chassis. A flip out handle would allow you to carry it around with you. Nobody could steal your stereo but you looked like a tool toting the thing around. Then there were the removable face plates. Also a pain in the rear end because who wants to carry that thing around. Thieves knew that most people would just chuck them under the seat if they even bothered to remove them at all. Kenwood came out with a motorized faceplate that would do an elaborate dance that would pop out, revolve and sink back in leaving a blank panel. I had this one...  Flipped around, this is what you'd see...  There was even a secret soft spot on the front which you could press to make the front flip around if the power was disconnected for too long. Naturally the experienced thief could spot one of these and jack your poo poo but it seemed to work for me. It never got stolen. It did, however break so the face wouldn't flip around anymore. To be expected from something that used an elaborate system of motors and linkages that was made to exist in a hot rear end, or freezing cold car. It was a product that was ahead of its time that quickly found itself obsolete when people decided that car stereos weren't worth the trouble of a theft charge anymore. Edit: Just remembered the Kenwood system was called MASK. Neat video of the one I had here. I had the CD version but you get the idea. https://youtu.be/pDu8mqEb1Cw Grumbletron 4000 has a new favorite as of 08:46 on Oct 23, 2015 |
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High Protein posted:I'm still using a C320BEE with my computer, but I think that nowadays I'd go with something like the 3020, which is much smaller and has a DAC. Do active speakers like you're using have a subwoofer output? Yeah, if I was going to buy a new amplifier today, it would probably be class D with a built in DAC. But I honestly think the amplifier and passive speakers type setup is outdated for most users. Amplification is so cheap and compact today that it just makes a lot more sense to build active speakers instead. The speakers I use are studio monitors, so they are kinda 'dumb' in that the only controls on them are a gain knob and some basic EQ. You're meant to set these once and never touch them again, since the speakers are designed to be plugged into a mixing desk or something similar and controlled from there. In my setup, I use an ordinary hifi pre-amplifier (NAD C165BEE) to control inputs and volume, and then a DSP box (dbx Driverack PX) as an active crossover between the speakers and the subs. Alternately, you can get the matching sub for the speakers. It has a built-in crossover, so you run the signal to the sub and from there to the speakers. On the speakers I had before (Audioengine A5+) there is a set of RCA outputs on the speaker with the amplifier in it. You can run this to a second set of speakers or a sub, and the volume is controlled by the volume knob on the speaker. GWBBQ posted:I work at a university in the US and Tandberg is synonymous with hardware videoconferencing codecs, from before they were bought by Cisco. Starting in the late 70s, the company split up into separate audio and video companies, the video company then moved into teleconferencing systems in the early 90s. At my workplace, about half of our video conferencing gear is branded Tandberg, the other half Cisco. All the same units, but bought before and after the buyout in 2010.
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Trebek posted:I just sold my 2004 Deville so up until about a week ago I was using this to listen to my iphone in my car. I still use one of these to hook my mp3 player up in the car. Just bought a new one from Amazon a couple months ago, even. Of course...I also still use a standalone mp3 player (it has rockbox so it can play flacs and stiff too but yeah).
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KozmoNaut posted:Yeah, if I was going to buy a new amplifier today, it would probably be class D with a built in DAC. But I honestly think the amplifier and passive speakers type setup is outdated for most users. Amplification is so cheap and compact today that it just makes a lot more sense to build active speakers instead. For something that's going to be within arms reach that's fine. It seems to me like its just as much of a hassle to provide each speaker with a power source as it is to run a cable from an amp. For a multi speaker theater style setup anyway. It'll be awesome when we get wireless power figured out. For bigger things than phones that have to sit on their special little pads that we have now.
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Grumbletron 4000 posted:For something that's going to be within arms reach that's fine. It seems to me like its just as much of a hassle to provide each speaker with a power source as it is to run a cable from an amp. For a multi speaker theater style setup anyway. With passive speakers, the cables have to be relatively beefy when you get into high-power systems. Because it's a relatively low-voltage system, you need a lot of amps to deliver a desired total output power. That means a higher cross section cable is needed, and when you get into real powerful systems, you need some seriously beefy speaker cables, like 8 AWG or even thicker. As you can probably imagine, that gets unwieldy quickly. With active speakers, you can run two relatively thin power and signal cables instead, with less total copper (and bulk+weight) needed. Of course, for home systems you're rarely working at power levels above 100 watts*, so even ordinary lamp cord as speaker wire is fine for most cases. That said, active crossovers are definitely better than passive crossovers and with DSP built into the speakers, it's easier to extract the best possible performance from a particular speaker driver and cabinet. *I bet most people never even hit 50 watts on their home systems, unless they're playing really loud for a movie or a party. There's a reason the power meters on the 2x65 watt amp I just bought uses 50% of the scale for the first 0.5 watts. Most normal listening happens below 1 watt. And nope, wireless power over distances more than a couple of centimeters won't happen anytime soon. The losses are simply enormous. KozmoNaut has a new favorite as of 08:52 on Oct 23, 2015 |
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KozmoNaut posted:With passive speakers, the cables have to be relatively beefy when you get into high-power systems. Because it's a relatively low-voltage system, you need a lot of amps to deliver a desired total output power. That means a higher cross section cable is needed, and when you get into real powerful systems, you need some seriously beefy speaker cables, like 8 AWG or even thicker. Active speakers still need a power source though. Why have a speaker that needs a power cable and an audio cable as well when just one wire will do? Subwoofers aside from all that of course.
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Grumbletron 4000 posted:Active speakers still need a power source though. Why have a speaker that needs a power cable and an audio cable as well when just one wire will do? Subwoofers aside from all that of course. I explained that in my post, exactly the part you quoted. When you get into higher power levels, the speaker cable needs to be very thick and so the power cable and signal cable together will actually end up being thinner and more easily manageable than the speaker cable. This is because the power cable is running at 120 or 230 volts and consequently a lower amperage for the same total power, compared to speaker cable, where the voltage is lower (maybe 50 volts at most, for high-power setups), so the amperage is higher. More amps need thicker cable. And of course the signal cable is running at like 2 volts and carries basically no amperage at all, so it can be really thin compared to the power or speaker cable. KozmoNaut has a new favorite as of 09:09 on Oct 23, 2015 |
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Fo3 posted:what was really interesting to me was in the late 90s, sansui started popping up as a budget home/car audio brand, and no one in Australia that I knew of had ever heard of that brand before. Back when I was younger, my roommate had a nice Sansui Surround System that was amazing. Had no HMDI, TOSLINK or Digital Coax. Just an RCA for each channel. By the end of its day he was buying 5-6 DVD players at a time that still had those single channel outputs. Then every other month calling me out of my goon-den to resolder the relays and anything else that had a dry solder inside. The last ditch effort to save it was a bunch of PS2 fans soldered internally to keep the thermal switches from tripping. It was drunk theory "If the sensor stays cool it won't failover!" ....nope. It burnt up internally. Fo3 posted:trying to think who also made cassette decks. A few months ago I was tasked with sourcing some new components for an insurance claim for a customer. I could not find a single drat supplier/manufacturer that still makes or had NOS of twin tape components. Really bummed the customer out. Now, one of you buggers is going to post a brand that does, but hell if I could get anything through our buying group. Dick Trauma posted:Although I couldn't find a screenshot of the first MP3 encoder I ever used (mpecker) here's the followup product, mpegger. I made my first mp3 around 1997 on my Performa 631CD and I expect it took a looooong time to complete, even at 128 bps. Encoding speed reminded me of when CD-ROM drives were new and trumpeted their 2x/4x/whatever speeds. Despite still owning all my audio CDs I haven't ripped a track in quite some time. I'm thinking of taking one last pass through my small collection and then putting it in storage alongside my LPs and 45s. I remember using some random program to rip CDs on my Ipex Pentium75 at 1:1 time as thats all I knew and no internet meant I just worked with what poo poo I had. I KNOW this thing didn't have a microphone but I'll be damned if every single track had a faint sound of a teenage kid (me) 'drumming' on the desk while ripping. Humphreys has a new favorite as of 09:25 on Oct 23, 2015 |
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KozmoNaut posted:When you get into higher power levels, the speaker cable needs to be very thick and so the power cable and signal cable together will actually end up being thinner and more easily manageable than the speaker cable. Exactly what sort of power levels are we talking about when your speaker cables have become unmanageable? Your definition of "very thick" must be a pretty relative measure, surely?
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Gromit posted:Exactly what sort of power levels are we talking about when your speaker cables have become unmanageable? Your definition of "very thick" must be a pretty relative measure, surely? Don't ask Monster or AudioQuest.
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KozmoNaut posted:I explained that in my post, exactly the part you quoted. I didn't understand at first but I get what you're saying now. Seems like something that's entirely possible now and has been for awhile. Is there any particular reason that the audio industry hasn't embraced the idea?
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Gromit posted:Exactly what sort of power levels are we talking about when your speaker cables have become unmanageable? Your definition of "very thick" must be a pretty relative measure, surely? To be fair, I am talking about concert or very large movie theater sound levels here, with amplifier outputs measured in kilowatts. At that point, you're getting into 10 or 8 AWG or even thicker cable, which can be a handful. Think garden hose cables (or thicker), hundreds of meters long. Compared to that, a combo of a standard rubber power cable (perhaps 3x15 AWG) and a relatively thin signal cable is much easier to handle. Grumbletron 4000 posted:I didn't understand at first but I get what you're saying now. Seems like something that's entirely possible now and has been for awhile. Is there any particular reason that the audio industry hasn't embraced the idea? The pro audio industry has embraced active speaker systems for a long time now, both for PA and studio use. It's just that the consumer market is ruled more by tradition and tighter budgets.
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KozmoNaut posted:To be fair, I am talking about concert or very large movie theater sound levels here, with amplifier outputs measured in kilowatts. Well, not really for "most users" then.
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Grumbletron 4000 posted:It's definitely obsolete because car stereo thievery seems to have died out long ago. I'm not gonna look a gift horse in the mouth, but it's so weird to think that at one point it seemed like simply having an aftermarket head unit made your car a prime target for thieves. Now, I've got Alpine units in both my car and work truck and have never had a problem. Hell, my truck sits unlocked in front of one of my vacant rentals most days and nights, and nobody's bothered loving with it. Guess there's no market for stolen head units these days. I had one of those Kenwood head units with the handle on it back in the day. I definitely did feel like a goober walking across the parking lot carrying it like it was a tiny briefcase, but hey, it didn't get stolen!
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:I'm not gonna look a gift horse in the mouth, but it's so weird to think that at one point it seemed like simply having an aftermarket head unit made your car a prime target for thieves. Now, I've got Alpine units in both my car and work truck and have never had a problem. Hell, my truck sits unlocked in front of one of my vacant rentals most days and nights, and nobody's bothered loving with it. Guess there's no market for stolen head units these days. Everyone I knew with a car CD player between the years 1990 and 1995 without some kind of detachable face or other security measure had their cars broken into. Most of my friends didn't have car CD players - so the sample size was pretty small, but the 3 or 4 that did all got broken into. It's almost like how smartphone theft is such a big thing. Except if your iPhone spent 90% of its life on the dashboard of a car parked in the city overnight.
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Gromit posted:Well, not really for "most users" then. Fully active speakers also have a sound quality advantage over passive speakers, since active crossovers are so much better than even the best passive crossover. This also lets the amplifiers control the woofers better because the signal doesn't have to pass through the components in a passive crossover, it goes directly from amplifier to woofer. That makes the bass less likely to be boomy and flabby. It's a small difference, but it's there and part of the reason why active speakers are so popular with studios.
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:I'm not gonna look a gift horse in the mouth, but it's so weird to think that at one point it seemed like simply having an aftermarket head unit made your car a prime target for thieves. Now, I've got Alpine units in both my car and work truck and have never had a problem. Hell, my truck sits unlocked in front of one of my vacant rentals most days and nights, and nobody's bothered loving with it. Guess there's no market for stolen head units these days. I had at least a few stolen. I started just leaving my truck unlocked overnight because it was cheaper than replacing a window and a head unit. I think head units in general look like hot garbage these days.
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Dick Trauma posted:Although I couldn't find a screenshot of the first MP3 encoder I ever used (mpecker) here's the followup product, mpegger. I made my first mp3 around 1997 on my Performa 631CD and I expect it took a looooong time to complete, even at 128 bps. Encoding speed reminded me of when CD-ROM drives were new and trumpeted their 2x/4x/whatever speeds. Despite still owning all my audio CDs I haven't ripped a track in quite some time. I'm thinking of taking one last pass through my small collection and then putting it in storage alongside my LPs and 45s. I remember using this. My old Performa 6115 couldn't handle anything else while encoding. It also only had a 600MB hard drive, so I kept MP3s on many many zip disks. I still have some of those MP3s in my music folder. I think their "created on" metadata has been wiped and reset a couple times by now, but I can tell which they are because I encoded them at 112 kbps to save space (I was a dumb kid ok)
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Grumbletron 4000 posted:Any of those could be replaced by a JVC Kaboom! Box. I had one and it was an amazing piece. i picked up this exact unit at a thrift shop, a couple years ago. i usually have it stuck in the back of my iltis as it has no radio of it's own. ..speaking of obsolete/failed.. . http://www.canada.com/story.html?id=248af4f0-78f4-43b9-9443-9aee0e6b1299 Gomi Day has a new favorite as of 15:39 on Oct 23, 2015 |
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Athenry posted:I remember using this. My old Performa 6115 couldn't handle anything else while encoding. It also only had a 600MB hard drive, so I kept MP3s on many many zip disks. Why wouldn't you have re-ripped them to v0 (or downloaded them) at this point? That bitrate is so low that it has to sound like garbage.
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RC and Moon Pie posted:My father bought a complete Panasonic system. It was c. 1976 and he paid about $350, I think. I'm still using it. It has a record player/radio/8-track player, two speakers and a tape deck. The radio antenna doesn't even need to be set up properly to pick up a huge amount of stations. An apartment a friend lived in had one of those wooden consoles modified so it had some new speakers and a regular cable coming out of its guts so you could plug in your device. Just using the old cabinet in a new way. It was very cool.
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JnnyThndrs posted:Yeah, which brings me to another obsolete-and-failed product: digital dashboards in cars. I don't know HOW many 80's Ford products I worked on (I'm a mechanic) that had zero or little speedometer functionality after their vacuum fluorescent dash readouts faded away to never-neverland. The owners didn't even try to fix 'em, the cost of new parts were immense and all the used ones were just as bad. 
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RC and Moon Pie posted:It looks something like this. That reminded me of the time I visited HP HQ and got to tour the founders' offices, one of which included a wet bar:  Really, the entire thing was just as early Silicon Valley you'd expect:  This is only tangential to the topic, but here's some tech from either HQ or the house/garage where they started. The actual pieces aren't original, but they're period-correct: The OG oscillators:   Where they typed up invoices:  took orders (probably):  and baked the plastic housing:  The shed where Bill Hewlett lived in the early days:  And some shots of their garage:    
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I have an old (pre-war I think) typewriter I keep thinking I'll restore but then I look at all the moving parts and go back to playing video games. I could probably sell it to someone as is for a few tenners since no parts are missing or broken and the original paint and gold seems to be in pretty good nick, just a lot of grime on it but I guess I'll just leave it in the attic for someone who cleans it out after I die to chuck in the bin.
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Trabant posted:And some shots of their garage: When was this? I worked for HP until March of this year (got laid off in the most recent round of "bought another overvalued company and now have to make the budget work" layoffs,) last time I was in Palo Alto for training (January 2014) they said the garage is was closed to the public and you can only see it from the street.
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IUG posted:Why wouldn't you have re-ripped them to v0 (or downloaded them) at this point? That bitrate is so low that it has to sound like garbage. Its stuff that I couldn't tell you the last time I listened to it and I use google music now, so I wouldn't anyway. Which, given the prevalence of streaming services and newer codecs, MP3s are probably eligible for this thread.
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Trebek posted:I had at least a few stolen. I started just leaving my truck unlocked overnight because it was cheaper than replacing a window and a head unit. I think head units in general look like hot garbage these days. Someone broke into my car and only stole the faceplate of the head unit. There were CDs and some still wrapped DVDs lying in the car. Nope, just the faceplate. loving prick. I'm looking into Android Auto right now cause my car got room for a big head unit. Just having a big touch screen also gets rid of most of the terrible design head units have this day.
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Geoj posted:When was this? I worked for HP until March of this year (got laid off in the most recent round of "bought another overvalued company and now have to make the budget work" layoffs,) last time I was in Palo Alto for training (January 2014) they said the garage is was closed to the public and you can only see it from the street. Went there early this year, but it was for a Very Special Event, which meant they could actually plan for a guided visit. Otherwise, you're right -- off limits to the public. My guess is there's too much effort to staff the place and keep it open to the public. Not that it helps, but... sorry for getting laid off?  Hope you managed to bounce back.
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Shai-Hulud posted:Someone broke into my car and only stole the faceplate of the head unit. There were CDs and some still wrapped DVDs lying in the car. Nope, just the faceplate. loving prick. poo poo just looked that up and now I kind of want an Android Auto too.
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Trabant posted:My guess is there's too much effort to staff the place and keep it open to the public. The receptionist in the area of the campus with the offices told us that while the garage is a historically preserved site, the property it sits on is privately-owned and that's why its closed for most of the year. Apparently HP doesn't own the garage. Trabant posted:Not that it helps, but... sorry for getting laid off? Yeah, I got laid off ahead of the recent announcement that they're cutting an additional 30k positions so I was only on unemployment for about 2 months. I hate to think about trying to find a job along with 29,999 other people flooding the market at the same time. So in a way my manager did me a favor. Geoj has a new favorite as of 22:29 on Oct 23, 2015 |
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Trebek posted:poo poo just looked that up and now I kind of want an Android Auto too. Problem is that decent headunits with a capacitive touchscreen still go for about a grand. Especially since you're gonna need some adapters and poo poo for stuff like steering wheel controls. I expect the prices to drop in the next one or two years since this is pretty much early adopter stuff. And I'm not willing to save a hundred bucks or two and get a cheaper one without a capacitive touchscreen. If I'm gonna put a touchscreen in my car it has to be a good one!
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Grumbletron 4000 posted:There were the first anti theft stereos where the whole unit slid out of its chassis. A flip out handle would allow you to carry it around with you. Nobody could steal your stereo but you looked like a tool toting the thing around. I was a kid at the time and the guys carrying their car stereo around looked cool to me, because it meant they had a car stereo 
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