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Hammerstein posted:It is the best of times, it is the worst of times. A Tale of Two Citizens
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How long till Sandi wears or gets someone in the office to wear blackface?
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Oct 23, 2015 20:21
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Ravane posted:A Tale of Two Citizens 
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Oct 23, 2015 20:22
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ShredsYouSay posted:Why is the money hat still shown. They said the MONEY hat was included in clothing samples sent by a manufacturer when they were shopping around for potential suppliers and he got a kick out of it.
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Oct 23, 2015 20:23
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Mukip posted:I think for something to qualify as a PR disaster it needs a wider audience than obsessive goon shitposters in this thread. The original accusations against Sandi haven't been backed up by the Escapist in any way to my knowledge, which means they shouldn't have even published them in the first place.
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Oct 23, 2015 20:24
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Sarsapariller posted:You're right. It's totally normal to have so few black employees in your team of 250+ that after three years of twice-weekly on-camera shows, somebody accuses you of racism and people look through your archives and oh poo poo there's no black people. I guess what I was trying to say is so what? Outside of this thread nobody gives a poo poo that she's racist.
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Oct 23, 2015 20:25
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You'll notice that no other media outlet from what I've read has really gone into that aspect of the Escapist allegations because they are so skeevy to begin with, given their "verified but not really" sources. As a story, the racism allegations are already a dud that came and went.
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Oct 23, 2015 20:27
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Beet Wagon posted:I guess what I was trying to say is so what? Outside of this thread nobody gives a poo poo that she's racist. Uh, if she actually denied employment to candidates on the basis of their skin color, age, or whether or not they possessed pubic hair, the government might give a poo poo.
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Oct 23, 2015 20:27
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Beet Wagon posted:I guess what I was trying to say is so what? Outside of this thread nobody gives a poo poo that she's racist. I'm guessing the only people that even know who Sandi is are the people who backed SC and really care about it, and the people who think this is all a giant joke. To that end, I'd guess you are probably right.
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Oct 23, 2015 20:27
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Canine Blues Arooo posted:I'm guessing the only people that even know who Sandi is are the people who backed SC and really care about it, and the people who think this is all a giant joke. To that end, I'd guess you are probably right. But what about all of her modeling roles and her acting career....
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Oct 23, 2015 20:29
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SelenicMartian posted:How long till Sandi wears or gets someone in the office to wear blackface? How long until the webcam accidentally falls to the ground and we see a panty shot*...with pubes? *just pray it is a girl's, not interested in t-rex's crotch
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Oct 23, 2015 20:29
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SC always wakes the marketing in me up. Lowtax would make bank if he sold reg date changes. $1 to set your reg date back one month.
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Oct 23, 2015 20:30
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Beet Wagon posted:I guess what I was trying to say is so what? Outside of this thread nobody gives a poo poo that she's racist. Not entirely true. Just because the most vocal people in the hugbox don't care, doesn't mean it isn't seen and noticed. Behavior like CIG's is blatantly at odds with reality, and the longer that goes on the more apparent that is to people. Also it's important because, if true, it's a particularly lovely thing for management in a crowdfunded company to be treating employees like garbage. I feel like it's extra-important to make sure that projects I've partially helped to build do not turn into horror shows for the peons, having worked in a couple of those myself.
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Oct 23, 2015 20:31
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Gerbil_Pen posted:SC always wakes the marketing in me up. Should just sell a $50 package that lets you set your reg date to September 11, 2001
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Oct 23, 2015 20:32
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Mukip posted:I think for something to qualify as a PR disaster it needs a wider audience than obsessive goon shitposters in this thread. The original accusations against Sandi haven't been backed up by the Escapist in any way to my knowledge, which means they shouldn't have even published them in the first place. It depends really, the Escapist could have more they intend to drop but are waiting until the refund clause from the original TOS kicks in for maximum impact, which would be in week. If they have no intention of following the story up, that would indicate to me it's not solid and they therefore shouldn't have published. However it's possible that things are happening behind the scenes, the Escapist gave CIG 24 hours to respond last time, it's predictable they'll do exactly the same again which would allow CIG to have planned some kind of blocking move to buy time.
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Oct 23, 2015 20:32
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Beet Wagon posted:But but but Sandi has to be racist because it's not fun unless I can hate on every single aspect of her life while I'm obsessively refreshing this thread! Don't you see how important her being racist is to the failure of Star Citizen? I think she's probably not racist at all, that's what makes this overreaction so hilarious. It speaks of incompetence in dealing with shitposting from the internet.
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Oct 23, 2015 20:33
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Bolow posted:Should just sell a $50 package that lets you set your reg date to September 11, 2001 Oof. Too soon.
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Oct 23, 2015 20:35
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MeLKoR posted:I think she's probably not racist at all, that's what makes this overreaction so hilarious. It speaks of incompetence in dealing with shitposting from the internet. The reaction is, itself, kind of racist. Regardless of the truth of the original claims.
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Oct 23, 2015 20:35
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Lu Yan posted:Has anyone said Shillizens yet? 
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Oct 23, 2015 20:35
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Bolow posted:Should just sell a $50 package that lets you set your reg date to September 11, 2001 and $5 for the privilege to change it back to your normal regdate or a more obscure date.
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Oct 23, 2015 20:36
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joats posted:and $5 for the privilege to change it back to your normal regdate or a more obscure date. November 5, 1955
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Oct 23, 2015 20:36
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Sarsapariller posted:The reaction is, itself, kind of racist. Regardless of the truth of the original claims. what would the ideal reaction have been?
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Oct 23, 2015 20:40
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D1E posted:Uh, if she actually denied employment to candidates on the basis of their skin color, age, or whether or not they possessed pubic hair, the government might give a poo poo. The government most certainly would. But if there was actual proof of that (aside from us all sitting on our thumbs talking about how racist she is) that would be something that could be resolved pretty easily. It just seems loving low-effort is all. It's clearly not a 'PR Disaster' an there's only so many variations on the "Look, she took a picture with a black person to prove she's not racist. What a racist!" joke. So here, have some Lime and Honey Beet Salad Ingredients: 2 tsp cider vinegar Zest and juice of 1/2 lime 2 tsp honey 2-3 tsp olive oil 2 tsp minced fresh dill 2 tsp minced fresh chives Salt and pepper 1 pound cooked beets, peeled Whisk together the vinegar, lime zest and juice, and honey in a medium bowl. Whisk in olive oil. Add dill and chives, season with salt and pepper. Cut beets into wedges about 1/2 inch thick, add to the bowl with vinaigrette and turn gently. Cover and chill for at least two hours.
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Oct 23, 2015 20:41
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wyoak posted:what would the ideal reaction have been? Ignore it completely maybe? That's what I do when people call me racist.
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Oct 23, 2015 20:42
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Hopper posted:*just pray it is a girl's, not interested in t-rex's crotch It's not like you could even see it.
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Oct 23, 2015 20:43
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Sedisp posted:How in the world did it take them multiple years to implement something this basic. They didn't implement it. That guy is using a program that takes keyboard input and translates it to virtual joystick axes; so when he presses a key it has a slower analog response. In the actual game it's still on the list of things to do. And as for "how", it's an excellent example of how completely hosed their design process is. Everything about their flight & physics model is trying to serve different masters at the same time. It's gonna have realistic space newtonian physics, but also fast ww2 dogfighting feel, while also fun for both single and multiplayer, plus feel good as all scales from fighter to capital ship, and and and. The direction for the game is coming from people at the top who are totally uninvolved with actually making it happen. They're just saying "make it like this" with no consideration for how all their wishlist systems interact. joats posted:Especially since Giant Bomb has shown that speaking the truth, while upsetting to the developer, can be entertaining to the viewer. Honest opinions and media can still be successful but rare. I'd love to see them take a harder stance with the whole "beta aka marketing demo" thing that's become so prevalent these days.
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Oct 23, 2015 20:43
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Beet Wagon posted:if there was actual proof of that (aside from us all sitting on our thumbs talking about how racist she is) that would be something that could be resolved pretty easily.  Okay guys goodposting only from here on out, let's give this a shot. Wish me luck! o7
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Oct 23, 2015 20:43
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Sarsapariller posted:The reaction is, itself, kind of racist. Regardless of the truth of the original claims. Yeah but I mean I doubt she has any real influence in the hiring policies besides firing the occasional staffer that fails on one of the random pube checks. I have no idea how different the racial makeup of CIG is compared to other games developers to be honest but I doubt there's a conscious effort not to hire black people. That when accused of racism her first reaction was to look around for black people and put them in front of a camera doesn't really speak of how racist she is or is not but more about a person that has no idea how to quench down an internet/media polemic. Even the most racist competent PR manager has enough brains to see that dog wouldn't hunt. It's like watching someone being trolled online and completely gently caress themselves in their responses.
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Oct 23, 2015 20:44
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wyoak posted:what would the ideal reaction have been? Denounce the accusations in a five line write up and move on with your life. Chris Roberts spending 8 hours to write a multi-page diatribe about how the article is actually Derek Smarts fault, and also GamerGate's, and also this other persons, and also... isn't smart PR in any capacity. Posting a legal letter which is another diatribe about Derek Smart being the cause of the article, then threatening legal action because of said diatribe is the content also isn't smart PR. Popehat did a pretty good write up explaining how and why it was dumb for any lawyer to do and childish and he has no dog in the race. I wouldn't call it a PR disaster, but more so an example of the incompetence of CIG's PR department. Mekchu fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Oct 23, 2015 |
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Oct 23, 2015 20:44
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Bitcoin Stymie posted:
Just... shitpost better or something. I don't know.
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Oct 23, 2015 20:46
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Dante80 posted:If anyone lives near Seattle WA btw, my uncle Phillip has a Greek restaurant in Burien. Tell him his nephew George from Athens sent you, and you want the real Greek deal..C: I am going to do this when my birthday rolls around in a month. Greek food is so great. This thread is great but I miss burger chat
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Oct 23, 2015 20:47
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Bolow posted:Should just sell a $50 package that lets you set your reg date to September 11, 2001 He used to sell that, yeah. Don't remember how much it was, though, and he basically made fun of you for thinking that regdate mattered when you bought it.
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Oct 23, 2015 20:49
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wyoak posted:what would the ideal reaction have been? Well ideally they would have been hiring qualified people regardless of race, thus not opening themselves up to that criticism in the first place. But post-accusation, if you really do have a diversity problem- and they certainly seem to- the only really mature response is to admit fault. You don't have to say "Yeah we're racist" but I'd have been fine with someone stepping up and saying "Yeah we definitely could stand to have a little more diversity in our staff. We just hadn't been paying much attention to it- we'll see what we can do." But that would have involved admitting some amount of fault.
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Oct 23, 2015 20:49
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Bitcoin Stymie posted:
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Oct 23, 2015 20:51
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Sarsapariller posted:Well ideally they would have been hiring qualified people regardless of race, thus not opening themselves up to that criticism in the first place. I don't think the highly personal allegations against Sandi that the Escapist made deserve that sort of response.
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Oct 23, 2015 20:52
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 looks like those 2 know why they're there
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Oct 23, 2015 20:54
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Sarsapariller posted:Well ideally they would have been hiring qualified people regardless of race, thus not opening themselves up to that criticism in the first place.
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Oct 23, 2015 20:56
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Mukip posted:I don't think the highly personal allegations against Sandi that the Escapist made deserve that sort of response. A good PR team would have ignored them. A great PR team would have taken the opportunity to sit down and talk the issues out with a few people from the team who aren't balding/bearded middle-aged white men- hell do it on camera, because you're an open development studio, right? If Sandi's so great she should have no issue having that conversation right? CIG's PR team decided to write an open legal threat, and then an overly emotional crazytrain letter from the CEO, and then have their white middle-aged men write various testimonials all over the internet, and then grab the first black people they saw and shuffle them in front of the camera. And then the head of PR gave a tear filled speech at the opening of the biggest exhibition of their game for the whole year, and it was entirely about herself, and then they gave her flowers on stage.
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Oct 23, 2015 20:58
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Lessons on propriety from an Internet shitposter.
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Mukip posted:Lessons on propriety from an Internet shitposter. The source of the advice doesn't mean it's bad advice.
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