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Another Person posted:France, who owns jack poo poo outside of three colonies and France itself is #2. USA, who has done literally nothing all game, is #3. GB is naturally #1. Go for SE Asia and its sweet, sweet oil/rubber? (The USA is always going to shoot up the rankings because it's a huge territory with plenty of space for factories and enough immigration bonuses to have the population necessary to man said factories in time. France is harder to explain, but I bet a good war could puncture their prestige and industry.)
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Another Person posted:France, who owns jack poo poo outside of three colonies and France itself is #2. USA, who has done literally nothing all game, is #3. GB is naturally #1. Much like EU4 taught me to hate France, Victoria II taught me to hate England and the US. Seriously gently caress you America and not needing to get involved in any crisis ever. And gently caress your navy, England. I hope you went for commerce raiders early and blew up the English fleet while they were still making GBS threads out Man O' Wars.
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Oct 24, 2015 04:06
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Another Person posted:France, who owns jack poo poo outside of three colonies and France itself is #2. USA, who has done literally nothing all game, is #3. GB is naturally #1. I'd imagine you're probably behind the US and GB in industry, and behind France in prestige. What you need to do now is get some factories built - try to get a party in power that's state capitalism or planned economy, then built factories that will make use of the huge amount of available raw material you'll have from all that territory in Africa.
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Oct 24, 2015 04:07
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Another Person posted:France, who owns jack poo poo outside of three colonies and France itself is #2. USA, who has done literally nothing all game, is #3. GB is naturally #1. That's USA's best strategy, honestly. Stay out of stupid European bullshit while building up their population and industry. Take the rest of Africa. Every last grain of sand from Cape Town to the Suez must be united under glorious progressive republic of Scandinavia! Alternatively work on Southeast Asia. Or even try to secure freedom for India, that'd be a project that takes your remaining 60 years I bet.
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Oct 24, 2015 04:11
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:Much like EU4 taught me to hate France, Victoria II taught me to hate England and the US. I've only fought GB once, and it was in some dumb crisis war when my whole economy was on fire because the Ottomans left my sphere by going up to #8 again, so I had very little money for boats. That taught me to go for Persia instead, who has similar amounts of resources but never has its poo poo together to actually become a power. Built them some railways and chucked them in my sphere. Tomn posted:Go for SE Asia and its sweet, sweet oil/rubber? The Netherlands and GB kind of have SE Asia in a stranglehold. The Netherlands is in my sphere, so that ain't a big issue though. What they get, I get some of.
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Oct 24, 2015 04:15
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Start dismantling countries (when you hit the turn of the century) and throwing their shattered remains into your sphere. Take a chunk of China or Japan.
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Oct 24, 2015 05:29
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:Start dismantling countries (when you hit the turn of the century) and throwing their shattered remains into your sphere. Take a chunk of China or Japan. You know what, I could probably take a fair chunk of Japan pretty easy. I hadn't looked at them before, I'll be sure to check them out. e; took chunk of japan. also turned korea into a protectorate and sphered china. were these good ideas? Another Person fucked around with this message at 08:19 on Oct 24, 2015 |
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Oct 24, 2015 05:45
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Another Person posted:You know what, I could probably take a fair chunk of Japan pretty easy. I hadn't looked at them before, I'll be sure to check them out. The first two definitely seem like fine ideas, sphering China CAN completely trash your economy as all your populace start buying plentiful chinese goods without paying tarrifs/contributing to your own economy, but you might be okay if you're fairly well developed.
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Oct 24, 2015 09:08
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:Well its sounds like NFs have a 'historical' tag to them, and the player can opt between pure historical (historical NFs always chosen) or 'open' where AI choices are weighted towards historical but they can diverge. Yup. Also, just because you decide to take France or whoever and flip to fascist doesn't mean things will necessarily go smoothly. Look at Spain, for example...
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Oct 24, 2015 09:31
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Darkrenown posted:Yup. Also, just because you decide to take France or whoever and flip to fascist doesn't mean things will necessarily go smoothly. Look at Spain, for example... That'd be a hilarious slap in the player's face- they put all that energy in to doing to switch to Fascism, activate the NF, and immediately have a civil war. Then they somehow lose it, stay a democracy, and get wiped out by Germany even faster than usual.
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Defeatist Elitist posted:The first two definitely seem like fine ideas, sphering China CAN completely trash your economy as all your populace start buying plentiful chinese goods without paying tarrifs/contributing to your own economy, but you might be okay if you're fairly well developed. I am very well developed. When I sphered China, I don't think it did anything at all to my economy. I was still raking in around 3k a day, and my factories are all fine. Like, I'm building phone, planes and cars by this point. I think I killed a whole generation of men in China in that war because they just kept marching 90 stacks into my 40 stacks, and they would all die in three days or less. China is real dumb in this game, I ended up killing all of their troops and then all of their mobilised troops. They would lose like 10k in a day. I've got a long peace ahead of me now though, I have 24.99 infamy due to the Chinese war coming immediately after the Korean war, because they declared on me. Another Person fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Oct 24, 2015 |
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Oct 24, 2015 19:21
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:That'd be a hilarious slap in the player's face- they put all that energy in to doing to switch to Fascism, activate the NF, and immediately have a civil war. Then they somehow lose it, stay a democracy, and get wiped out by Germany even faster than usual. They had mentioned that in an earlier dev diary. Dynamic civil wars are a thing. If you want Germany led by gay, black Hitler, it's likely to trigger a civil war if you can't get overwhelming support. *edit* Every country gets optional demagogues they can pop into an advisor slot to push the country in a direction. Political DD I'm on my phone, so I can't find the civil war discussion right now. MilkmanLuke fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Oct 24, 2015 |
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Oct 24, 2015 23:12
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MilkmanLuke posted:They had mentioned that in an earlier dev diary. Dynamic civil wars are a thing. If you want Germany led by gay, black Hitler, it's likely to trigger a civil war if you can't get overwhelming support. Are you suggesting a gay, black Hitler wouldn't get overwhelming support?
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MilkmanLuke posted:They had mentioned that in an earlier dev diary. Dynamic civil wars are a thing. If you want Germany led by gay, black Hitler, it's likely to trigger a civil war if you can't get overwhelming support. quote:Dynamic civil wars  Kaiserreich for HoI IV may actually be easier to make than Kaiserreich for Darkest Hour.
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Oct 24, 2015 23:19
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:Are you suggesting a gay, black Hitler wouldn't get overwhelming support? The anime teenager hitler faction would never accept him.
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Oh god, I unlocked Great Wars and France pretty much immediately kicked one off against me for Japan. Me and Germany vs. France, Austria-Hungary, Bavaria (who is stronger than Germany). This is gonna be rough. Germany has been a real joke this game. They can field something like 80,000 men and keep getting rolled over by pathetic nations. I really should just ditch them and take someone like Austria-Hungary. I am actually gonna savescum the hell out of this war just to test out Viccy 2 battle mechanics. I've never really understood them too well, sometimes I will march 2 20 stacks onto one 20 stack in favourable conditions and still lose. Time to learn why and how.
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Oct 24, 2015 23:19
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How is the HoI3 AI at war when you automate theatres and give them orders? I love watching them spread out and do my bidding, but i just played my first game and the invasion of France took like a year longer than it historically should have. I might have hosed up my unit composition tho or something, but i figured i should ask if its generally a "bad thing" before i start a new game.
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Oct 24, 2015 23:44
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Another Person posted:Oh god, I unlocked Great Wars and France pretty much immediately kicked one off against me for Japan. Me and Germany vs. France, Austria-Hungary, Bavaria (who is stronger than Germany). This is gonna be rough. Germany has been a real joke this game. They can field something like 80,000 men and keep getting rolled over by pathetic nations. I really should just ditch them and take someone like Austria-Hungary. The AI is willing to micromanage its generals. As a concequence they'll have a 6-5 general leading their stack when your force has a 1-0 drunkard that was autoassigned to it 20 years ago. Also fighting on territory you have a fort on reduces your casulties. Finally, The RNG is a fickle bitch who will give you low rolls leading to you losing in favorable conditions.
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I don't know this off the top of my head, but is there a conversion tool for taking EU4 games into Vicky 2? I kind of want to take my Byzantium game in EU4 forward and see how quickly the country fractures under the strain of all of the different cultures I control. Also Austin Walker over at Giant Bomb interviewed Paradox's CEO and COO about a bunch of stuff, with a good focus on community interaction. http://www.giantbomb.com/podcasts/giant-bomb-presents/
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Oct 25, 2015 00:18
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Will HoI4 have Vicky-style flags for each ideology? Need to know if fascist France's sparkle fasces still lives on.
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Also: Don't march into machine guns unless you have numerical superiority.
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Oct 25, 2015 00:31
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Please don't do what Darkest Hour did with commie flags and just stick a hammer and sickle on the existing one, they looked silly!
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I kind of like that particular one, actually. The hammer and sickle are in a bit of a weird rotation though.
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Last time I played Victoria 2 I played on the United States of America which is pretty much just 'Autopilot: Great Power Edition'. Is there any good guides on how/when to industrialise and guides to combat? I want to do a Prussia/Russia game but I realise it is far more involved the USA ever was.
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Groogy posted:Has the AI perhaps developed mustard gas while you don't have gas masks? I'd think they did sometimes, even though it was like 1890. For example, usually I can kill a whole generation of Japanese soldiers with a 60 stack of good men. Like, I can take on 100 men with it and wipe them. Then other times my men all just drop dead because they got bored of fighting. It was probably garbage generals. Also, I just had a hilarious 'great' war. France and the USA vs. me, the UK, Germany, Austria-Hungary, Italy and Russia over my tiny Japanese holdings. I'm sure proud of winning that war, the one where I didn't need to look at anything other than my 5 states in Japan. I made sure to just give the French lands away for their stupidity.
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Dongattack posted:How is the HoI3 AI at war when you automate theatres and give them orders? I love watching them spread out and do my bidding, but i just played my first game and the invasion of France took like a year longer than it historically should have. I might have hosed up my unit composition tho or something, but i figured i should ask if its generally a "bad thing" before i start a new game. The theatre AI is pretty bad. I've seen people recommend putting Army Groups or Armies on auto control, but it's still too dumb IMO. Units'll get jumbled out of radio range 95% of the time, rendering leader bonuses above division pretty much moot, and the weirdest poo poo can happen when the AI just decides to move all its units back and forth at once for no apparant reason. Me, I just played with manual control all the way  outside of those times where the USSR beyond Moscow/Germany beyond the Elbe/US beyond the Appalachias just didn't get that they were beaten. Alternatively, wait for HoI4!
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Koesj posted:The theatre AI is pretty bad. I've seen people recommend putting Army Groups or Armies on auto control, but it's still too dumb IMO. Units'll get jumbled out of radio range 95% of the time, rendering leader bonuses above division pretty much moot, and the weirdest poo poo can happen when the AI just decides to move all its units back and forth at once for no apparant reason. Thanks! I will do this: Koesj posted:Alternatively, wait for HoI4!
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Another Person posted:I'd think they did sometimes, even though it was like 1890. For example, usually I can kill a whole generation of Japanese soldiers with a 60 stack of good men. Like, I can take on 100 men with it and wipe them. Then other times my men all just drop dead because they got bored of fighting. It was probably garbage generals. Check their tech level, military tactics and all the +artillery attack techs matter a lot. There's a bunch of inventions in the infantry line as well that make it so your dudes start getting better at defense with machine guns and then better at attack afterwards, so you should try to stay on the defensive while you're on machine guns. It also obviously makes a difference whether they're sending a lot of arty your way or just mobilized brigades. And look at the drat combat rolls.
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GrossMurpel posted:Check their tech level, military tactics and all the +artillery attack techs matter a lot. There's a bunch of inventions in the infantry line as well that make it so your dudes start getting better at defense with machine guns and then better at attack afterwards, so you should try to stay on the defensive while you're on machine guns. It also obviously makes a difference whether they're sending a lot of arty your way or just mobilized brigades. I had been maxxed on miltech for the time for about 30 years, and Japan was kind of a joke in terms of tech. It was probably just a case of bad generals and bad rolls that messed me up there. I still won the war, because I managed to trap like 120,000 of their men on an island with boats.
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GrossMurpel posted:There's a bunch of inventions in the infantry line as well that make it so your dudes start getting better at defense with machine guns and then better at attack afterwards, so you should try to stay on the defensive while you're on machine guns. Whether you're on the offensive or defensive shouldn't make a difference when it comes to the machine gun stats, should it? I thought unit attack/defense always applied in all battles, with attack allowing you to kill more and defense allowing you to handle more hits regardless of who attacked who. That being said there is the one tech line that increases your dig-in cap, THAT would give the defender a larger bonus, but only if they had time to dig in.
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Stairmaster posted:How much does digging in even do in vicky 2? It applies a direct penalty to the attacker's die rolls, but one that degrades over time. So pretty huge with sufficiently high levels, but it only works in the opening days of the battle before it becomes a deathstack scrum. Haig was right, all you need to do to break a trench is to throw more men at the problem. Edit: This is honestly one of the big weaknesses with Vicky 2's combat system, it's all set up to try and encourage WW1-style front lines by the end game but the player doesn't have nearly enough tools to micromanage armies enough to form a continuous front line and the combat system ultimately actually encourages mashing everything into a single apocalyptic deathmatch instead. Tomn fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Oct 25, 2015 |
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Bait the entirety of the opposing force into a decisive battle -> rotate out your stacks so they can recover -> surround the battle -> wipe their army and win the war a year later. Alternatively, just start occupying everything. But that's even more micro.
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Vicky 3 won't actually have provinces, but instead it'll be various regions and you can apply power to fronts in these regions (or at sea) during war time. Your green lines will gradually become more swole and beat into their red lines.
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Gamerofthegame posted:Vicky 3 won't actually have provinces, but instead it'll be various regions and you can apply power to fronts in these regions (or at sea) during war time. Being able to arbitrarily draw lines on the map to create administrative divisions out of an underlying population density map is my wistful dream for mapgames
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Gamerofthegame posted:Vicky 3 won't actually have provinces, but instead it'll be various regions and you can apply power to fronts in these regions (or at sea) during war time. this but unironically
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Gamerofthegame posted:Vicky 3 won't actually have provinces, but instead it'll be various regions and you can apply power to fronts in these regions (or at sea) during war time. VerdantSquire posted:this but unironically
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Gamerofthegame posted:Vicky 3 won't actually have provinces, but instead it'll be various regions and you can apply power to fronts in these regions (or at sea) during war time. Yes.
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