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Sharzak posted:Holy gently caress how good would that be? A wargame where you leave the actual moving of armies to the jocks in the war room and all you do is make deals, do research, and allocate resources. Maybe some high level arrow drawing. Victory through superior application of economics and diplomacy. That actually sounds worse than the tedium of moving armies about to me. It would remove a lot of the strategy involved with actual warfare. As soon as war is declared, you would largely just sit back and occasionally click a button, removing most thought and strategy. It would feel like playing colonial GB in EUIV, or a Revoke Privelgia Austria. It would feel really good and powerful the first time you do it, but it would lack any satisfaction after a short while. Infact, the only reason a Revoked Privelgia HRE game feels good is because of the hard work involved with getting to that point. The satisfaction of a job well done, catharsis. A strategy game made entirely around smoky backroom deals and nothing else would lose appeal to me in 2 games. One where I min-maxed, and one where I did as little as I could but just enough to win. For example, the 'great war' I had in Viccy 2 today, where it was two idiots and poor old Japan vs. all the other great powers. That didn't feel good to win, because I did very little to actually achieve that victory. All I did was sign an alliance with Austria, Germany and Italy, and the other two just happened to really hate the French. That war basically won itself without much actual strategy once the war broke out. All I did was manage some economics (Germany lives off my war subs, poor saps), cut some deals, and watch swarms of angry Japanese men march into my 80 stacks in Osaka and die. Nothing about that victory felt 'good', not even the amazing war reps I got which doubled my economy, or watching all of that French blue turn into green, or gaining an extra million Japanese men to put in my telephone factories. It would need an absurdly in depth internal political system and a very robust and complex economy system. Viccy 2 already has the latter, and doing that alone didn't feel good in that war.
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Oct 25, 2015 09:44
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Tomn posted:Whether you're on the offensive or defensive shouldn't make a difference when it comes to the machine gun stats, should it? I thought unit attack/defense always applied in all battles, with attack allowing you to kill more and defense allowing you to handle more hits regardless of who attacked who. Unlike EU4 and CK2 you only use either attack or defense in battle. Attacking in the machinegun era is suicide.
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Oct 25, 2015 10:51
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It's the "tactics" research techs which reduce casualties
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Oct 25, 2015 10:58
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Chickpea Roar posted:Unlike EU4 and CK2 you only use either attack or defense in battle. Attacking in the machinegun era is suicide. Thanks, I'll keep that in mind in the future. Since it was my first game, I didn't realise that different techs had totally different priorities on how you should approach battles.
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Oct 25, 2015 10:59
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Funky Valentine posted:Will HoI4 have Vicky-style flags for each ideology? Yes.
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Oct 25, 2015 13:10
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Darkrenown posted:Yes.
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Oct 25, 2015 15:16
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Yeah, steal some other Indian symbols instead. 
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Oct 25, 2015 16:15
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Please make Fascist India have a swastika, but the right way round.
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Oct 25, 2015 16:17
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Pharnakes posted:Please make Fascist India have a swastika, but the right way round. That would be awesome
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Oct 25, 2015 16:23
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Yeah, steal some other Indian symbols instead.
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Oct 25, 2015 16:24
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I don't think war is really the point of Victoria. It sucks at simulating WW1. It's way more of a colonialism and industrialization game and any sequel should focus more on those.A Buttery Pastry posted:The swastika is no more Indian than it is European. It's broadly Indo-European yeah. Can be found from Iberia to the Ganges.
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Oct 25, 2015 16:27
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Please do not use the fasces for countries which don't even pretend to have anything to do with Rome. Furthermore, if you do use the fasces, please do not put it on a elliptical field like you did for some flags in V2, it looks awful. The whole selling point of Fascism is stylish designs after all. Just use whatever contemporary fascist parties were using?  Not that tricky to figure out.Or just incorporate symbols from contemporary stuff if there's no clear-cut "THESE ARE THE BIG FASCISTS" party to nick designs from. I saw somebody make a fascist USA flag for HoI2 once that replaced the stars in the blue canton with the KKK's cross. I guess it sort of depends on what sort of fascists are being used for various countries-- 'homegrown'/nativist, or puppet party imposed by the Nazis. I'd totally use the KKK as a basis for a more 'homegrown' party, but the Silver Shirts and/or the Bund would fit better with a Nazi-imposed regime.
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Oct 25, 2015 16:44
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The Sharmat posted:I don't think war is really the point of Victoria. It sucks at simulating WW1. It's way more of a colonialism and industrialization game and any sequel should focus more on those. Yeah, Vicky 2's army system is meant for giant roving post-Napoleonic armies. It does that job quite well, but as it nears the end of the 19th century it starts to break down. The problem is Hearts of Iron is only up to handling World War One, not the turbulence of the interbellum, so Vicky III needs something to handle trench warfare.
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Oct 25, 2015 17:06
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So I just got completely outplayed by the Vic 2 AI the other night, holy poo poo that experience was down right terrifying. Let me explain. So, I decided to play Russia on the PDM mod, I then choose to try and isolate myself from European affairs while I try to tackle Russia's abysmal literacy rate (8.7%, Russia what the gently caress), since I wanted nothing to do with Europe and wanted to have as much £££ as possible I decided to disband my entire navy because hey, Russians totally don't need one! Little did I know this decision would ruin my drat game. So, it's 1860s and everything's going smoothly, all my NFs are focused on getting as many clergymen as possible to educate my terrible peasants and so far I've avoided any fights in Europe. My army is massive and easily outnumbers any Euro army. Suddenly Germany decides to eat massive chunks of Austria and I decide that I'll break my rule for one moment and seize some land from this pathetic, poo poo nation while he's down. I see he's allied with the UK and think pfft, he can't do poo poo, I'll crush him if he decides to gently caress with me. I quickly fab some CBs and decide to roll into town on Austria after Germany's hosed him up real good for me. First mistake, I was at 20 Infamy already after I just bullied one of those shitholes in central Asia, asking for one bit of land from Aus bumped it up more to around 25 - 30. Anyway after I've seized some land and crushed some remnant forces I think to myself I'll ask for more! He can't do poo poo to me and no one will have the nuts to try and contain my mighty nation. Turns out I'm loving stupid and misread Slovakia for Slovenia so I ended up asking for a bit of land bang next to Italy, land I don't want and has only added more infamy. gently caress it, I'll just ask for Slovakia too. 40 INFAMY. By now I have taken most of Austria and think it's all over. I noticed beforehand the royal navy was blockading my entire western coast. Blocked it off with 20 ships. 20 poo poo ships. My entire nation started to collapse from this blockade, my army was costing me tons of money and I was losing so much cash I had to can my education budget, max all tax, half my army spending and it still wasn't enough. I losing 30k daily and my middle class was starting to starve to death in their own homes. poo poo. gently caress. poo poo! I thought the UK would allow me to bail with just 1 piece of land but he told me to gently caress off. He had no armies in Europe and was willing to let his ally die just to spite me. Some months later poo poo is getting dire, Russians are leaving my glorious empire in droves and heading to the States. I decide to throw in the towel and ask for white peace before this poo poo killed me. "The United Kingdom has declined your offer of white peace, you stupid moron." I was at 20 warscore. Fuckers knew they had me by the nuts and weren't letting go. Next thing I know, I go bankrupt and my armies are at 10% morale. Suddenly Britain shows up with 30k and completely wipes out my entire invasion force and unsieges all my poo poo slowly. They still decline my WP offer. I witness in horror that Britain is intentionally starving my entire empire to death, while I sit there and sob like a total bitch. Some time later, after my nation is in complete ruin, he asks to loving CONTAIN ME OH GOD. I accept reluctantly and think its all over. Turns out 1 million reactionaries somehow afforded enough money to rebel and completely gently caress me up, since I can't build ANY army for years I just sit there and watch. They enforce demands then Jacobin & Nationalists double team my nation right after, they also force their demands. My empire is dead, I can't afford anything and rebels keep deciding to take turns loving me up the rear end. Never again will I mock Paradox's AI. Never. Again. http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/643246304998150449/2D40FF6FEF96CAB2CC9D477E18616831168E12DC/
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Oct 25, 2015 17:22
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Trundel posted:I don't know this off the top of my head, but is there a conversion tool for taking EU4 games into Vicky 2? I kind of want to take my Byzantium game in EU4 forward and see how quickly the country fractures under the strain of all of the different cultures I control. There's no official conversion tool. There are fan-made ones but, uh  they don't work so good
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Oct 25, 2015 17:24
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Okay. SO I just got EU4, complete with every expansion. I've played CK2, so I have a bit of a reference for a lot of things, but, um, where's a good starting country for simplicity?
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Oct 25, 2015 17:29
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Neopie posted:Okay. SO I just got EU4, complete with every expansion. All the countries the recommendation serves up in pregame are all good choices and pretty easy to get on their recommended track while learning the ropes but those two come up the most often for having fairly straightforward paths to big blobs.
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Oct 25, 2015 17:44
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Neopie posted:Okay. SO I just got EU4, complete with every expansion. Spain, portugal, England, Sweden.
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Oct 25, 2015 17:45
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BillBear posted:So I just got completely outplayed by the Vic 2 AI the other night, holy poo poo that experience was down right terrifying. Let me explain. Tbh I do wonder from people who've actually played Vicky 2 in depth? How salvageable is that? Like the rebels are going to suck but I don't see Russia of all nations having much you can really revert back. The bankruptcy is the nastiest issue but even that should be solvable. I'd say you could probably get Russia back to GP status by game end if you were careful.
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Oct 25, 2015 17:48
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BillBear posted:My empire is dead, I can't afford anything and rebels keep deciding to take turns loving me up the rear end. Never again will I mock Paradox's AI. Never. Again.
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Oct 25, 2015 17:49
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Mess with John Bull, you get the horns. Though there are certain ways to gently caress Britain over (Rushing Ironclads and sinking the RN), The British Empire is essentially the France of Vicky 2. The AI may not play them most effectively but their resources and territory will ensure they just get in the way and ruin things for you.
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Oct 25, 2015 17:54
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BillBear posted:So I just got completely outplayed by the Vic 2 AI the other night, holy poo poo that experience was down right terrifying. Let me explain. The lesson here is to not let your badboy go over the limit.
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Oct 25, 2015 18:00
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Robot Dog posted:There's no official conversion tool. There are fan-made ones but, uh I think the converter has been updated a lot since that screenshot
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Oct 25, 2015 18:02
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BgRdMchne posted:The lesson here is to not let your badboy go over the limit. Yeah, disarming your navy was also a boneheaded move, but unless you're playing as China and have more soldiers than the rest of the world has people, do not exceed the infamy limit or everyone and everything will try to kill you.
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Oct 25, 2015 18:04
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Farecoal posted:I think the converter has been updated a lot since that screenshot Indeed, it's gotten a lot better at hiding Denmark. Kavak posted:Yeah, disarming your navy was also a boneheaded move, but unless you're playing as China and have more soldiers than the rest of the world has people, do not exceed the infamy limit or everyone and everything will try to kill you. Or play as France and restart the Napoleonic Wars on day one 
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Oct 25, 2015 18:05
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:Or play as France and restart the Napoleonic Wars on day one That sounds like a fun game.
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Oct 25, 2015 18:11
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BgRdMchne posted:The lesson here is to not let your badboy go over the limit. BB doesn't really matter as long as you're strong enough. China can ignore BB from basically day 1, my Germany games often end with 600+ BB since the AI judges it suicidal to attack after you reach a certain point of being stronger than them.
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Oct 25, 2015 18:17
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It really is kind of daunting how difficult it is to knock the UK out of relevance in Vicky 2. You pretty much have to start with that goal and keep it in mind the entire game.
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Oct 25, 2015 18:18
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What I want is a Paradox Map Game where you can control the tactical level of battles, a la Total War. What I really want is Rome 2. Give me a good Daodachi simulator, Paradox 
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Oct 25, 2015 19:09
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Kulkasha posted:What I want is a Paradox Map Game where you can control the tactical level of battles, a la Total War. This would be impossible for multiplayer so it will never happen.
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Oct 25, 2015 19:13
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Robot Dog posted:There's no official conversion tool. There are fan-made ones but, uh This picture is super outdated. The converter is a lot better at converting over nations now, and can even correctly port custom nations. The most recent release was a month and a half ago, which made it compatible with common sense. Check it out, it's actually not bad now.
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Oct 25, 2015 20:04
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Funky Valentine posted:Will HoI4 have Vicky-style flags for each ideology? Need to know if fascist France's sparkle fasces still lives on. HOI4 does have ideology flags.
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Oct 25, 2015 20:24
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Robot Dog posted:There's no official conversion tool. There are fan-made ones but, uh Secret Denmark will never stop being my favorite thing 
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Oct 25, 2015 21:32
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Why the gently caress was "secret" even a prefix?
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Oct 25, 2015 21:55
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Secret Denmark is great but that image also has hidden gold in that you can imagine a world where "For the People's Union Of!!" is a battle cry and people tell you "Welcome to Republic" when you arrive as an immigrant.
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Oct 25, 2015 22:25
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Talking about converters, is the CK2 - EU4 one working fine? I'll love to do some sort of mega campaign.
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Oct 25, 2015 22:38
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Wait a minute. So dynamic ideological civil wars are a thing in HoI4, right? You can have a Peruvian Civil War between the fascists and communists and that sort of thing if you shift around ideologically in a bad way. Are all these ideological factions different pre-made tags? If not, how does the game figure out tech teams and generals for Dynamic Communist Australia?
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Oct 25, 2015 22:42
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DStecks posted:Why the gently caress was "secret" even a prefix? This is what baffles me.
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Fintilgin posted:This is what baffles me. Ask Paradox. They were the ones that put those stupid names in to begin with - they came from the HoD dynamic dominion system. When that converter found a nation it could not transfer a Vicky 2 tag over to, it would take one of the dynamic dominion tags, which are as follows: code:
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