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Dolomite posted:the mazda2 is the same platform, yet light years better. ford made a mistake getting rid of their stake in mazda. although they didn't learn a thing from them. the mazda2 was more expensive than a fiesta, but it was still unprofitable and is no longer sold in the united states economy cars never sell very well in the u.s. and they are almost never profitable. cutting every corner is the only way to get your money back
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idk im biased bc i rly like my 10 year old scion xa and it was inexpensive as all these others
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my stepdads beer posted:lol car chat. so interesting. sorry, gnome3 ftw
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Smythe posted:sorry, gnome3 ftw
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the kde5 was more expensive than a gnome3, but it was still unprofitable and is no longer sold in the united states Dolomite posted:the kde5 is the same platform, yet light years better. gnome made a mistake getting rid of their stake in kde. although they didn't learn a thing from them.
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Smythe posted:sorry, gnome3 ftw if gnome 3 is the best we can do, it explains a lot about desktop linux market share
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Smythe posted:sorry, gnome3 ftw
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The_Franz posted:mini and fiat 500 lmao
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lol was wondering why my server wouldn't update so i checked my firewall etc. realized utopic was dropped from support, could've swore I was on LTS but whatever. dist upgraded no problem thankfully
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Smythe posted:sorry, gnome3 ftw cmon can i get a "rhel yeah!!" in here??
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:cmon can i get a "rhel yeah!!" in here?? lol
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:cmon can i get a "rhel yeah!!" in here?? lol
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my stepdads beer posted:have you considered centos have you ever thought of using gentoo
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b0red posted:have you ever thought of using gentoo yes but my doctor gave me some pills and now I don't want to harm myself so much
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Soricidus posted:yes but my doctor gave me some pills and now I don't want to harm myself so much b-b-but systemd is the debil
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b0red posted:b-b-but systemd is the debil i want kdbus merged just to watch the gentoo peoples heads explode
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:cmon can i get a "rhel yeah!!" in here??
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Ubuntu 15.10 just appears on my OTA or somrthing... i got it ater i had to restard gdm kuz it died. w00t
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today when i posted that i thouht 'it would be really nice if smythe enjoyed this post, it would make my day' dreams do come true
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:today when i posted that i thouht 'it would be really nice if smythe enjoyed this post, it would make my day' i enjoyed it. thank you
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running gentoo with systemd owns, and is supported. and sys-kernel/gentoo-sources has support for kdbus.
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unironic gentoo user, lol
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you forgot to paste http://fun.irq.dk/funroll-loops.org/
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didnt linus veto kdbus? i remember he was ripping on it cuz it belongs in userland or something
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:didnt linus veto kdbus? i remember he was ripping on it cuz it belongs in userland or something he ripped on speed comparisons with userland dbus because userland dbus is slow as gently caress. there were some legit concerns and issues with kdbus that are being addressed, but it's being actively developed and will probably be merged eventually. it's already included in linux-next and fedora rawhide.
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nextbsd is adding Mach IPC because it’s so good why doesn’t Linux just add Mach IPC and let userspace dbus build on that?
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eschaton posted:nextbsd is adding Mach IPC because it’s so good because non-Android userlands on Linux make extensive use of dbus and they don't use Mach IPC at all. Nobody's going to port all of the DBus IPC over to Mach IPC just to satisfy someone's pointless spergery. https://github.com/systemd/kdbus Last commit was on Aug 7th though. Hopefully the poo poo actually does make it into mainline at some point.
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DBus is actually way more complicated than it needs to be Mach ports, port names, bootstrap_register and bootstrap_lookup, and mig are perfectly sufficient for the low-level IPC needs of an OS and you can build things like launchd and XPC on top of them easily, making them very widely available in both the OS implementation and the apps and services running on top of it does DBus even support passing data of out of band without copies, or passing file descriptors?
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:has anyone been able to explain how kdbus will solve any problems one good reason to route IPC through the kernel is that it's the only way to securely provide trust information for both endpoints to each other: when fartd gets a control message, it can be sure that it came from a properly-signed fartctl, rather than something trying to spoof fartctl I don't know if that's why KDBus wants to be in the kernel though, most of the reasoning I saw was "it'll be faster without all the context switches" which is a bullshit reason related to DBus being way more complicated than it needs to be Linux could put Mach-equivalent IPC and implement DBus on top of that, and also see a performance increase because it'd force KDBus to change enough of how it's written that it would no longer require 37 syscalls to send a single drat message
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eschaton posted:one good reason to route IPC through the kernel is that it's the only way to securely provide trust information for both endpoints to each other: when fartd gets a control message, it can be sure that it came from a properly-signed fartctl, rather than something trying to spoof fartctl have you read https://dvdhrm.wordpress.com/2015/06/20/from-af_unix-to-kdbus/ like, at all?
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Suspicious Dish posted:have you read https://dvdhrm.wordpress.com/2015/06/20/from-af_unix-to-kdbus/ like, at all? I'm shocked, this actually makes sense
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Suspicious Dish posted:have you read https://dvdhrm.wordpress.com/2015/06/20/from-af_unix-to-kdbus/ like, at all? why would I? I use (and work on) an operating system where this has been a solved problem for literally decades also it didn't actually answer my questions
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