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Thread is officially poo poo..... roll on episode 1.
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Oct 26, 2015 03:28
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Gyges posted:Flipped through some Iron Fist trades today and I really wish Marvel would do some sort of anthology tales of the Iron Fist thing. Those brief stories of other Iron Fists were pretty sweet. They did, kinda-sorta. There was an Immortal Weapons miniseries that came out after the Brubaker/Fraction/Aja run of Immortal Iron Fist. Finally watched the Jessica Jones trailer tonight. I was on board anyway, having loved Daredevil and read the Alias comics years ago. But my wife, who has no interest in superhero stuff at all, watched it with me and was PSYCHED. She's actually looking forward to it, and was even asking questions about stuff in the trailer.
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Oct 26, 2015 03:33
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:They did, kinda-sorta. There was an Immortal Weapons miniseries that came out after the Brubaker/Fraction/Aja run of Immortal Iron Fist. I meant as one of their animated things. I'd really like an Animatrix/Gotham Knight style thing with each one in a different style. Then if it does well enough just release more.
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Oct 26, 2015 03:36
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:The comic was pretty much a long walk of misery. I don't really agree, I felt like there was plentiful humor throughout. Not Yakkity-sax humor, but I thought it was more fun than Game of Thrones.
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Oct 26, 2015 19:21
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PerniciousKnid posted:I don't really agree, I felt like there was plentiful humor throughout. Not Yakkity-sax humor, but I thought it was more fun than Game of Thrones. Yeah, I kind of always thought Jessica Jones/Alias was more of a survival/rehab story. Jones went through some truly horrific poo poo and when we first meet her she's in a hugely self destructive place. And by the time the story has finished she's dug herself out of that hole and is rebuilding her life. If you focus on the horrible poo poo I guess no one can stop you but the heart of the story for me was always Jessica fighting to keep that horrible poo poo from breaking her. Game of Thrones by comparison is all about "there's no hope, there's no happy ending, it all turns to ash."
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Oct 26, 2015 19:47
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, I kind of always thought Jessica Jones/Alias was more of a survival/rehab story. Jones went through some truly horrific poo poo and when we first meet her she's in a hugely self destructive place. And by the time the story has finished she's dug herself out of that hole and is rebuilding her life. If you focus on the horrible poo poo I guess no one can stop you but the heart of the story for me was always Jessica fighting to keep that horrible poo poo from breaking her. Yeah, if I'm remembering correctly the arc of the comic is her not only fixing herself mentally and all, but also reengaging the world. Starting as an alcoholic, isolated loner and ending up having an assistant, a relationship with JJJ and his family of all people, her and Cage with a baby on the way and Carol as her actual BFF.
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Oct 27, 2015 02:01
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JJJ's family? Since when? Man, it would be so sweet if they could get JJJ into season 2 or something.
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Oct 28, 2015 13:48
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Argue posted:JJJ's family? Since when? Man, it would be so sweet if they could get JJJ into season 2 or something. Since about the start of the comic's run. J. Jonah hires Jessica to find his ward, who was Spider-Woman at the time.
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Oct 28, 2015 14:06
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There's a rumor circulating and it's just a rumor so keep perspective, that a Punisher series is going to replace the proposed Iron Fist one.
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Oct 28, 2015 16:07
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gently caress THAT
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Oct 28, 2015 16:17
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#GiveUsIronFist
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Oct 28, 2015 16:19
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That's awesome, gently caress an Iron Fist show
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Oct 28, 2015 16:20
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I want both.
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Oct 28, 2015 16:40
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zoux posted:There's a rumor circulating and it's just a rumor so keep perspective, that a Punisher series is going to replace the proposed Iron Fist one. Hm... I'm ok with this. Also makes more sense in the context of the Netflix Marvel Universe, Iron Fist is likely too fantastical for it. Deakul fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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Oct 28, 2015 16:48
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Punisher is a lovely villain. He is not, never has been, and never will be, a hero. gently caress Punisher. Give us Iron Fist.
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Oct 28, 2015 17:57
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He's a good villain, but we need heroes more. Give us Iron Fist.
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Oct 28, 2015 18:01
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I am infinitely less interested in Angry Shootmans than mystical kung-fu action.
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Oct 28, 2015 18:10
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Punisher works best when there's a universe full of villains with enough masterminds who won't get offed and enough C-listers he can kill, and heroes that he can bounce off of. I don't know if there's enough of that on this level of the MU at this time without heavily tying him to, say, Daredevil, which has enough of a cast and powered/gifted people for Punisher to work with and/or kill.
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Oct 28, 2015 18:11
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Eh... a Punisher series would tie in nicely with Daredevil, with lots of crossover potential after Daredevil Season 2.
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Oct 28, 2015 18:12
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ImpAtom posted:I am infinitely less interested in Angry Shootmans than mystical kung-fu action. Yes, as much as I like Punisher Max, I really don't want a TV show where Frank is the protagonist.
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Oct 28, 2015 18:12
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I really liked Punisher MAX and so on but I am really jonesing hard for an Iron Fist. Yellow bandanna domino mask green tights and all
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Oct 28, 2015 18:17
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A Punisher series would be retarded. 90% of action television is already "Gritty Badass on the edge of becoming evil". Also, Punisher is only okay in small doses in a larger super-hero world because it quickly becomes apparent that any hero who doesn't use guns is a loving moron.
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Oct 28, 2015 18:20
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the only way a Punisher series would actually be any interesting if the series ends up getting as progressively stupider like the Deathwish movies. just gimme punisher rigging up a soccer ball to be explosive and fighting old men.
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Oct 28, 2015 18:20
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Oh there's gonna be a Punisher series, it's just a question of whether it's instead of or along side an Iron Fist series.
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Oct 28, 2015 18:22
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I would be fine if they didn't go with Iron Fist and did Punisher so long as Defenders had Danny in it. Frank wouldn't really fit in with that whole team dynamic, plus you gotta have Iron Fist and Luke Cage together.
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Oct 28, 2015 18:23
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Yeah I don't see how they would do Punisher instead of Iron Fist without scrapping Defenders. I could see a Punisher series working fine if it had little crossover with other heroes.
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Oct 28, 2015 18:24
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Punisher crosses over with the street level guys all the time.
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Oct 28, 2015 18:31
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zoux posted:Punisher crosses over with the street level guys all the time. I think Punisher appearing in other series would be fine, I don't see a Punisher series with other heroes in it working. Is what I was trying to say.
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Oct 28, 2015 18:38
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Snak posted:I think Punisher appearing in other series would be fine, I don't see a Punisher series with other heroes in it working. Is what I was trying to say. Oh right, like if he were heavily in Defenders, I see. Frank's not much of a joiner so I'd be super surprised if he replaced IF in a potential Defenders series.
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Oct 28, 2015 18:42
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I'd rather just rewatch the Shield.
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Oct 28, 2015 18:44
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Deakul posted:Hm... I don't know, psychic martial artists trained in a parallel dimension seems more believable to me than an American war veteran with a proactive approach to law enforcement who puts his Second Amendment rights ahead of everyone else's First Amendment rights joining a superteam with a black ex-convict and there being no problems whatsoever.
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Oct 28, 2015 18:55
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Deakul posted:Also makes more sense in the context of the Netflix Marvel Universe, Iron Fist is likely too fantastical for it. I've seen this brought up a few times and I just don't get it. Iron Man and Daredevil are both about singular men going out and doing something about the problems in their respective worlds. Hulk and Jessica Jones (presumably) both push that established world a little further into the sci-fi realm, with a giant, green rage-monster in one, and a creepy, purple thought-monster in the other. An educated guess about Luke Cage in comparison to Captain America, both have "the system" empowering a single person and the ramifications thereof. So, that makes Iron Fist the equal of Thor, and if the Tesseract, with so much Asgardian mythology behind it, ultimately lead to The Avengers, who's to say that some of the magic of Kun-Lun hasn't already permeated the MCU at large. Because it totally has.
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Oct 28, 2015 18:56
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Danny Rand gets his powers from killing a giant magic dragon with his bare hands and well you just can't get around that.
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Oct 28, 2015 18:58
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I know very little about Iron Fist and I'd still want him much more than Punisher.
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Oct 28, 2015 18:59
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zoux posted:Oh right, like if he were heavily in Defenders, I see. I'm not sure if your first sentence is sarcasm? I haven't read much Punisher comics, so I'm out of my depth here. I just had this sense that when Punisher crossed over with other characters, he was often as a foil, antagonist, or "dark mirror". The Punisher's very existence in a world full of heroes doing non-lethal playthroughs of their stories is problematic. The Punisher is what a real vigilante would be like and his methods make perfect sense in a world where blunt force trauma isn't inherently non-lethal. If people died sometimes when DareDevil threw them off building or savagely beat them, he would be an idiot for not using guns. Like Batman. These other heroes have the benefit of magic non-lethality. In a world where this magical non-lethality exists, the Punisher is inherently bad: he could accomplish everything he does now with bean-bag guns and rubber bullets, which in comic-book world would always be non-lethal. Instead, Punisher chooses to kill people, because they deserve it. This is how it is when Punisher crosses over to other heroes stories. When a story focuses on Punisher, the idea that Punisher could fight all the people he does without killing them is much less emphasized. Sure he wants to kill people, but how often is it presented that he could accomplish what he does with a non-lethal tool-set? I got the impression that guns and knives were presented as the tools that a mortal man needs to oppose evil men who are thus armed.
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Oct 28, 2015 19:00
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It's not. And Frank loving loves killing criminals. It's not really a divine calling or anything, he hates crime and loves killing criminals.
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Oct 28, 2015 19:00
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What we need is a Punisher miniseries where every episode is a different origin story. Just Fank Castle's family getting killed over and over and over.
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Oct 28, 2015 19:05
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I mean, I'm one of the people who thinks that Punisher: War Zone is the best live-action feature-film adaption of the character, so... edit: ^It would be pretty cool to do like an anthology of a bunch of different writer/directors doing one-shots of Frank's origin.
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Oct 28, 2015 19:05
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zoux posted:It's not. The Punisher is basically Batman without the pretense that Batman would never kill or that Batman is better than the criminals themselves. That being said, Joss Whedon had it right when he said the Punisher should never be seen as a hero and the fact that he has never really killed an innocent is bullshit. The man is a psychopath who just happens to target people that have no real protection. edit: It's why the Spider-Man/DD/Punisher dynamic works. All 3 or vigilantes, who have differing views on the society, who think they are doing good. Mooseontheloose fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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Oct 28, 2015 19:16
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zoux posted:Danny Rand gets his powers from killing a giant magic dragon with his bare hands and well you just can't get around that. Are you suggesting we should want to? Because that's awesome.
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Oct 28, 2015 19:18
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