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Mukip posted:https://robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals I agree with your larger point though. They're still bringing in ... quite a lot of money. They're probably going to stick around for awhile. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Nov 1, 2015 |
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Meh, until I see an actual lawsuit against CIG by Derek Smart - it's all just a farce anyways. Nobody really gives a poo poo about him going after whales that shovel money into the cocaine pit. I want to see a CIG vs. DSmart legal blowout that cripples both parties financially.
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jaegerx posted:This has been done time and time again. Please stay up to date on the best games thread ever. Well poo poo, sorry. Wouldn't want to post something repetitive in this thread.
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Karl_Ramseier posted:If you sling enough mud around some of it will stick. Someone wrote he produced 50k words in his blogs alone. Most things he predicted were completely wrong, some half truth. Not one 100% accurate. The Leaving of James for example was pure datamining the rsi page. I don't say he hasn't contacts, even an inside source would be possible. But if he has an inside source, she should be more accurate in the future. I wrote all this and posted it under this alt-account. Or just "same".
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AP posted:Found an old link that still works, I bookmark and save the real crazy stuff, I took some screen grabs but these are only a sample of the full horror within. Is this the document that had a section on service rotation restrictions with 2 weeks at "the front" 2 weeks in anti-piracy and 2 weeks in reserve? What the gently caress is wrong with these people
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Is this the document that had a section on service rotation restrictions with 2 weeks at "the front" 2 weeks in anti-piracy and 2 weeks in reserve? What the gently caress is wrong with these people They're roleplaying as people with important lives.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Is this the document that had a section on service rotation restrictions with 2 weeks at "the front" 2 weeks in anti-piracy and 2 weeks in reserve? What the gently caress is wrong with these people Yes it is. And autism. Autism is what is wrong with people.
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Im_drunk posted:Just want to point out, to be completely fair, that A380 used by most British Airways UK bound flights from US have a lot of economy seats upstairs. While this may be true, there is no way 'I'm on a Yacht during Moanoco' Sandi would ever fly anything not first class. There is no way in hell.
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SneakyFrog posted:and my axe And my axe!  what?
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Omi-Polari posted:The caveat is that October and November is when CIG makes most of its money for the year *and* they're still down 20% compared to 2014 and we're not factoring in refunds (which may be relatively small, but still). Last November they made $6 million and I don't see them topping it. I mean, if they keep raking in the cash then they'll probably put a game out eventually. Supposedly the multi-crew/FPS is around the corner. It couldn't possibly satisfy the fever dreams of it's most rabid backers, the individual components probably won't be as fun as more focused games, people probably wouldn't have spent so much money on the finished product on it's own merits as opposed to the The Dream that has been sold by CRoberts, and it will probably have much less content than you'd expect given all the time wasted on "revisions"... but personally I'm not really persuaded that this game isn't going to come out at some point and broadly satisfy the criteria of being a space sim game with a persistent universe, fps stuff and a single player campaign. But let's see what Dr Smart has to show us.
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Karl_Ramseier posted:If you sling enough mud around some of it will stick. Someone wrote he produced 50k words in his blogs alone. Most things he predicted were completely wrong, some half truth. Not one 100% accurate. The Leaving of James for example was pure datamining the rsi page. I don't say he hasn't contacts, even an inside source would be possible. But if he has an inside source, she should be more accurate in the future. Derek predicted they were closing down the Austin studio. CIG denied it. Turns out they were. Derek predicted they were cancelling the FPS module. CIG denied it. Turns out they were. CIG have been lying about release dates all year, when they've known otherwise. They refuse to offer even a basic breakdown (no details, just basics) of how money is being spent, which would summarily destroy Smart's initiative. Their behavior isn't just poor PR marketing. It is shady and on occasion deceptive. I would never trust Derek Smart on his word alone, but so far Smart has been making claims and CIG has been making responses that later turn out to be lies. It only goes one way. Not the other way.
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Karl_Ramseier posted:And I strongly hope they don't have millions just lying around. That's just how a failed developer thinks a company should handle their finances. lol
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Mukip posted:I mean, if they keep raking in the cash then they'll probably put a game out eventually. Mukip posted:Supposedly the multi-crew/FPS is around the corner. It couldn't possibly satisfy the fever dreams of it's most rabid backers, the individual components probably won't be as fun as more focused games, people probably wouldn't have spent so much money on the finished product on it's own merits as opposed to the The Dream that has been sold by CRoberts, and it will probably have much less content than you'd expect given all the time wasted on "revisions"... but personally I'm not really persuaded that this game isn't going to come out at some point and broadly satisfy the criteria of being a space sim game with a persistent universe, fps stuff and a single player campaign. But let's see what Dr Smart has to show us.
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Im_drunk posted:Just want to point out, to be completely fair, that A380 used by most British Airways UK bound flights from US have a lot of economy seats upstairs. So let it be noted that I'd amend my prior anecdote, and acknowledge that the possibility exists that Sandi was telling the honest truth about that particular issue.
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CrazyTolradi posted:Not necessarily, and even if that is the case, the first question is how much more money will they need and where will they get it from? Whales are a finite resource with finite finances to pump into SC. CIG doesn't have a publisher behind them to get more funds from. They might be able to get more funds via loans, but if they're at the point where they need that then anyone who's going to buy the game already has and at best it'll make chump change post-release. I agree, but if you asked me last year whether they would still be making multi-million dollar monthly revenue by now then I'd have said that they already exhausted the well of silly money. I don't understand where it all keeps coming from so I can't really say that they won't make more.
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A lot of people have posted on reddit and twitter that they've been doubling down on their pledges since dsmart threw his hat into the ring. He's galvanized a lot of people to sink their sunk costs even further.
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Mukip posted:Well poo poo, sorry. Wouldn't want to post something repetitive in this thread. I f5 this thread every minute. Best games thread every. I do however provide recaps on the #starcitizen channel on syn irc.
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Mukip posted:I agree, but if you asked me last year whether they would still be making multi-million dollar monthly revenue by now then I'd have said that they already exhausted the well of silly money. I don't understand where it all keeps coming from so I can't really say that they won't make more. The money keeps coming because of a promise of what is to be. As soon as anything "complete" is released, the money train is over and everything will collapse into itself like a blackhole. The only play is to keep everything perpetually in development.
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Mukip posted:I agree, but if you asked me last year whether they would still be making multi-million dollar monthly revenue by now then I'd have said that they already exhausted the well of silly money. I don't understand where it all keeps coming from so I can't really say that they won't make more. So by your logic, because they're still bringing in 3-4 million in one month they can keep doing it for X years to make the game? Given that last month was an exception due to Citizencon and sales this month as well as a possible sale in December might see that trend continue, next year will likely be a very different story. You can only sell a product that doesn't exist for so long, and the longer this takes the harder it will be for CIG to convince all but the most diehard backers to sink more money into it. I seriously have to think that there will be one or two people who'll put living cost funds into SC and end up either out on the street or starving and getting stuck up in an ER.
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They're *this* close to becoming self-aware: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3e213e/chris_roberts_the_steve_jobs_of_gaming/
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G0RF posted:I'm glad you posted this --- because as much as the cynic in my would like to believe the worst at all times, I know that doing so isn't really fair or reasonable... I've only flown on a double-decker plane once in my life-- and on that flight, I did fly upstairs in the swanky business class seats. That certainly colored my perception, and perhaps unfairly. You still have a pretty crappy personality Sandi.
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Omi-Polari posted:They're *this* close to becoming self-aware: This owns.
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Jon Do posted:“Star Citizen will contain a large, persistent universe,” is a statement that can be believed. -- The Big S.C.A.M., 2015
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Who's gonna be the first goon to nutscape the jpegs on stargur?
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Karl_Ramseier posted:If you sling enough mud around some of it will stick. Karl_Ramseier posted:Most things he predicted were completely wrong, some half truth. Not one 100% accurate. quote:CIG on the other side has the worst PR department I ever saw. Karl_Ramseier posted:We won't get any detailed information about their financial standing if they don't want to. Forget about that it's just Smart's wet dream. And I strongly hope they don't have millions just lying around. Karl_Ramseier posted:Star Marine was/is a fiasco. They are rebuilding it from scratch, but this isn't the end of days. As long as they have enough money they continue to produce these games and either they succeed or they don't, we certainly can't change that. Karl_Ramseier posted:(Derek) is a human being desperately seeking attention. Karl_Ramseier posted:Phew, then they have nothing to fear. Karl_Ramseier posted:This thread is as much an echo chamber as the star citizen subreddit. Karl_Ramseier posted:You guys are exaggerating everything bad and the Redditors everything good. Karl_Ramseier posted:The truth is just somewhere in the middle.  ---"PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRP!"
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Omi-Polari posted:They're *this* close to becoming self-aware: quote:Lol no Jobs was a complete asshat from the beginning. CR confirmed for anti-semite
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lol looks like someone is mad about new people joining for a non existent game.
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G0RF posted:I'm glad you posted this --- because as much as the cynic in my would like to believe the worst at all times, I know that doing so isn't really fair or reasonable... I've only flown on a double-decker plane once in my life-- and on that flight, I did fly upstairs in the swanky business class seats. That certainly colored my perception, and perhaps unfairly.
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Ash1138 posted:Aren't travel expenses for business trips tax deductible? If it's really no big deal, why would she even get defensive about it? (Oh, and $20K expresso machines for the Santa Monica office.)
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Omi-Polari posted:They're *this* close to becoming self-aware: I never thought of the comparison, but besides the fact that Apple is actually a large, successful company that makes actual products, it's pretty apt.
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Kakarot posted:lol looks like someone is mad about new people joining for a non existent game. Wow, that was fast. I always thought getting an av would be harder than this.
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Kavros posted:I'd like to hear more about both of these individual things. Ascendant Pictures (Roberts' movie production company) was producing a comedy and allegedly had an oral agreement with Kevin Costner to play the lead, and when the company ran into money problems, they claimed there was never an agreement and Costner was full of poo poo. The movie was never made. I don't know what came of the lawsuit Costner filed against Ascendant. As for the Microsoft thing, Digital Anvil ran out of money during the production of Freelancer because Roberts couldn't manage the scope creep (he basically wanted the whole persistent universe thing promised with Star Citizen and tried developing it fifteen years ago), and he had to sell the entire company to Microsoft in order to keep the doors open. (The complete and utter failure of the Wing Commander movie didn't help Digital Anvil's finances.) Microsoft assigned a producer to the project, who quickly realized that Roberts' vision was complete fantasy and began ordering cuts to features so that the goddamn thing could finally get out the door, and Roberts walked with his buyout money rather than have to answer to THE EVIL PUBLISHER. And that's Roberts' MO -- he hates being told what to do. You see that in the massive, embarrassing letter he wrote in response to Smart and the criticism, saying that EA had approached him multiple times about rebooting Wing Commander and he always turned them down because he'd never work for a publisher again, despite the fact that it's known the game began life as an unlicensed reboot, all the early concept art was just slightly updated Wing Commander designs right down to having the artists sketch out loving Kilrathi, the announcement video for the fundraiser was Wing Commander down to the point of using the WC3 uniforms, and ex-CIG employees have said that in the early days of the Kickstarter / campaign Roberts was still talking to EA about getting the license once the money started flying in from every side.
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Omi-Polari posted:They're *this* close to becoming self-aware: Steve Jobs is the one out of a billion "idea men" that are successful without having someone else reign in their crazy nonsense ideas. Chris Roberts is no Steve Jobs. Chris Roberts' ideas rain down on his own projects like destructive meteors.
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Timby posted:Ascendant Pictures (Roberts' movie production company) was producing a comedy and allegedly had an oral agreement with Kevin Costner to play the lead, and when the company ran into money problems, they claimed there was never an agreement and Costner was full of poo poo. The movie was never made. I don't know what came of the lawsuit Costner filed against Ascendant. Costner sued them and ran Croberts out of Hollywood. He had to sell Ascendant, etc. This was all gone over in the past few threads but I don't blame you if you never caught it. I usually just skip ahead if I'm behind more than 100 posts.
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XK posted:Steve Jobs is the one out of a billion "idea men" that are successful without having someone else reign in their crazy nonsense ideas. Chris Roberts is no Steve Jobs. Chris Roberts' ideas rain down on his own projects like destructive meteors. Dapper Dan linked a post on page 3 regarding David Jennison's resignation letter, which is pretty telling: quote:So the one thing that no one discusses is the biggest problem. Roberts is someone who on a company- wide level is always feared, but never respected. His direction is met with nervous compliance to his face, and rolled-eyed resentment behind his back. When his orders are articulated later to the rest of the team, and basic questions of logic and practicality are inevitable asked, they are met not with an explanation of why CR’s idea is a good one, but the importance of his happiness. The explanation is always the same- “I know it makes no sense, but that’s what CR wants”. This team is filled with people who have experience publishing other titles. Lots. We all know how it is “supposed” to be done. But everyone is faced with the same repeated dilemma, a choice- make CR happy or do what works for the game? Short term survival vs long term wins. And unfortunately it’s the survival option that wins out, mainly because turning away from a directive of CR is a recipe for unemployment. I've worked for people like that before. It's not fun. Do it long enough, and you start to rethink about bad life and career choices. Original post: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3748466&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=3#post451912031
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