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Every time I start to wonder if maybe I've been wrong about Star Citizen this whole time, I remember that they have $15,000 DLC for sale. Usually that sort of thing is $1-$5, sometimes up to $20 if it's a lot of content.
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This game looks pretty awesome and I doubt it won't come out. All the goons are going to be super depressed they have no one to relate to when Chris Roberts' gets back to furiously deepthroating a coked up Sandi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaLl6PcRrgA
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Nov 1, 2015 18:13
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Ash1138 posted:Exactly. It's a touchy subject because it's true. They don't deny that the money's gone because it is gone. The issue with this is that any statement about this they make in public, goes in the public record. And it's going to haunt them. Which is precisely why we're all still shaking our heads at Croberts diatribe toward myself and The Escapist since it's a massive legal quagmire that's going to cause some serious damage if any of this ever makes it into a court room as most suspect that it will. Note how they have never - ever - made any statements whatsoever about how money is spent, what is left etc. In fact, to see the height of bullshit, look no further than Ortwin's letter to my attorneys back in August.
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Nov 1, 2015 18:13
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BluestreakBTHR posted:Careful, Sandi will start stalking you! i'll make it easier for her my email address is fucku@utalentlesscunt.edu
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Nov 1, 2015 18:14
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AP posted:It's now November 2015, the RSI TOS at one time used to refer to "Accordingly, you agree that any unearned portion of the deposit shall not be refundable until and unless RSI has failed to deliver the pledge items and/or the Game to you within 12 months after the estimated delivery date.", the original estimated delivery date was November 2014, so we've now hit the deadline. It also said "In the unlikely event that RSI is not able to deliver the Game and/or the pledge items, RSI agrees to post an audited cost accounting on its website to fully explain the use of the deposits for the Game Cost and the Pledge Item Cost." I asked for a refund three times before Derek got involved, they refused it each time. I asked again in 2015 AD (After Derek) and got my money, so he has definitely had some sort of impact there.
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Nov 1, 2015 18:16
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Hopper posted:Alright Karl, I respect your decision to back Star Citizen and to try and convince us CIG is doing the right things. SImple. They want to remain close to Hollywood. Plus Sandi apparently hates TX.
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Nov 1, 2015 18:18
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MVP posted:This game looks pretty awesome and I doubt it won't come out. All the goons are going to be super depressed they have no one to relate to when Chris Roberts' gets back to furiously deepthroating a coked up Sandi Whoa, that astonishingly exciting clip required a lot of nailbiting
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Nov 1, 2015 18:20
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D_Smart posted:SImple. They want to remain close to Hollywood. Plus Sandi apparently hates TX. But Hollywood sucks and Texas is sorta neat  It's definitely better than Hollywood, anyway.Okay, question for you Karl: why is Sandi objectively wrong about everything?
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Nov 1, 2015 18:23
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Good Dumplings posted:
i know i know its cause shes completely unqualified for her job including the acting part.
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Nov 1, 2015 18:24
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D_Smart posted:SImple. They want to remain close to Hollywood. Plus Sandi apparently hates TX. you're dropping the blog deuce tomorrow right?
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Nov 1, 2015 18:25
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Romes128 posted:you're dropping the blog deuce tomorrow right? tuesday.
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Nov 1, 2015 18:26
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D_Smart posted:SImple. They want to remain close to Hollywood. Plus Sandi apparently hates TX. Why wait till the 3rd of November for the new blog if it's cleared  ?
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Nov 1, 2015 18:27
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everyone knows big releases are tuesdays or fridays
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Nov 1, 2015 18:28
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it better tide me over until fallout 4. I'm counting on your dr. smart
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Nov 1, 2015 18:28
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AP posted:Personally I think Derek Smart just blocked the normal escape routes in the event of a failure. He made it personal by targeting Chris, Sandi & Ortwin because "He made it personal by targeting Chris, Sandi & Ortwin because said something stupid about him on a lovely forum." Actually no, that's not accurate. Here are the facts: 1) I wrote a blog in July in which I highlighted a bunch of tech reasons (I have been proven right since then btw) why the game was in trouble and could never be built as pitched 2) The media made a big deal about it because, well, a lot of people were already voicing similar skepticism over the years, but no "named" person was brave enough to stand up. Though some media (Ten Ton Hammer, Wired etc) voiced some of it 3) They immediately canceled my account, refunded (they screwed that up too btw) my pledge. Then they issued a press release in which they tried to lie and say they did it because I had somehow abused their ToS. Then Ben went all in with a forum post targeting me. NOTE: To this day, they have continued the practice of terminating the account of some notable dissenters. Also, I'm the only person who's account closure warranted a press release. Go ahead and tell me they didn't make it personal FIRST. 4) I wrote more blogs. This time, seeing as they chose to make it personal, taking all of them to task over their questionable practices on this project 5) We sent them a demand letter. Ortwin replied with personal attacks and in a highly inflammatory manner NOTE: Ortwin continued this pattern of conduct in two more follow-up letters; including one in which I was accused of stalking (!). And his letter The Escapist, coupled with Crobert's diatribe, shows further evidence of the type of people we're dealing with. 6) Knowing that the issue of refunds was going to be a massive liability, they started issuing them once people started requesting them, reporting to the FTC etc They're still pissed at me. We fully intend on suing them as we've said.
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Nov 1, 2015 18:31
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D_Smart posted:Plus Sandi apparently hates TX.
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Nov 1, 2015 18:34
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D_Smart posted:NOTE: To this day, they have continued the practice of terminating the account of some notable dissenters. Also, I'm the only person who's account closure warranted a press release. Go ahead and tell me they didn't make it personal FIRST. I worded that badly, in my opinion  went personal on you first while acting as a representative of the company.Please don't sue me. 
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Nov 1, 2015 18:36
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This is probably old news but I am lolling. 
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Nov 1, 2015 18:37
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D_Smart posted:The end result is predicted to be a catastrophic disaster of epic proportions. And we all have a front row seat to the carnage as it unfolds.
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Nov 1, 2015 18:42
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Octopode posted:In the US, at least, TOSes have been routinely upheld in court cases so long as they are properly presented and agreed to by users, particularly when they must be agreed to prior to entering into a service agreement. Those only available to the consumer after purchase are much less successful. Correct. The legal problem they are now facing - which aside from the liability of the FTC poking around - is that any lawsuit (class action or not) will reveal (discovery is a bitch) a poo poo-ton of things they would rather keep private. e.g. finances. And all of that would completely overshadow the TOS issue in and of itself; even if the judge sided with them and threw it out in their favor. Add to the fact that this was a crowd-funded venture, and you can easily see how this can get out of control very quickly. There is absolutely NO version of this whereby this matter ends up in court and the finances don't come into play.
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Nov 1, 2015 18:42
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Lol
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Nov 1, 2015 18:43
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SirPhoebos posted:One thing I'm uncertain about is since CIG refunded Derek unilaterally, there's no implied agreement to hold harmless (or something, my legal is just a gerbil). So CIG can't stop people from suing by just stuffing the money back into their bank account, as the former customer can still say "you wasted my loving time" and at least ask for the Present Value difference of the refund. There is a specific rule of law that governs things like performance and inducement. So the refund issue is without merit.
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Nov 1, 2015 18:44
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doxed by derek is a good username
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Nov 1, 2015 18:45
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D_Smart posted:SImple. They want to remain close to Hollywood. Plus Sandi apparently hates TX. I suspect that is the reason. But I want to give Karl a chance to provide an alternative. If he can't, he will hopefully see that this move and the closing of Austin is in fact not a normal occurrence but a gross mistake by Crobbits that might just be fueled by his enormous ego and Sandi's craving to reinvigorate her failed acting career or the fact that it is easier to But I would like him to realize that by thinking about it instead of us force feeding it to him.
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Nov 1, 2015 18:45
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:Realistically arguing about terms of service being enforced or not is a complete crapshoot and barely worth the time. There are cases that rule terms invalid depending on how they're presented, terms of service that have completely unenforceable clauses in them, and one court case from Texas said a Blockbuster ToS was "“illusory” and unenforceable because Blockbuster had reserved the right to change the terms of service at any time". Correct. More to the point, their TOS change represents a material change in which accountability for crowd-funded money shifted in favor of the company. And this can easily be tantamount to fraud because they have not delivered the product. And instead of doing refunds and providing financial accountability as promised during the crowd-funding, they changed the TOS to extend that material time. Trust me, this single TOS issue is going to be their undoing.
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Nov 1, 2015 18:48
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So what are the chances of this thread being read out in a court of law?
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Nov 1, 2015 18:49
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D_Smart posted:Correct. How long is that all going to take though? It seems like the critical period for CIG passes in the next 6 months to determine if they get something playable or not out. If they can't they'll be pretty much finished anyway I'd have thought.
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Nov 1, 2015 18:52
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Why is Sandi not a good actress? https://vimeo.com/49705991
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Nov 1, 2015 18:52
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AP posted:How long is that all going to take though? It seems like the critical period for CIG passes in the next 6 months to determine if they get something playable or not out. If they can't they'll be pretty much finished anyway I'd have thought. Since it's a clear cut case, not long. In fact, though in many cases it is easy for them to delay discovery while dicking around, judges and good attorneys are all hip to those tactics. And since this is a crowd-funded venture, any reasonable judge should be able to see the urgency of the situation since the longer it takes, the greater the risk of it being a catastrophic collapse and total loss of backer money.
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Nov 1, 2015 18:55
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MVP posted:Why is Sandi not a good actress? is this cut scenes from a porn???
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Nov 1, 2015 18:56
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Happy TOS Day! This is precisely as I said in my blogs. The problem is that they are in fact actively seeking a bail out. What form (investors, publisher, loans) remains to be seen. But it will happen because given the decline in 2015 funding compared to previous years, not to mention all the bad PR, refunds etc, chances are that they won't survive 2016 without either a) shipping something b) getting a bail out Of course, what most backers don't know - or are ignoring - is that Croberts has actually gone on the record as saying they have no investors. When in fact they actually do. And I now know at least two. One of whom, just last week, forced them to refund the entire investment. And neither of these two has ever seen the company financials. Despite a) being entitled to them b) repeatedly asking for them Now ask yourself this: Why would a company refund to share its financials with an investor if they weren't hiding something? D_Smart fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Nov 1, 2015 |
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randomcommoner posted:Nothing would make me happier than seeing a croberts loss.jpg come out of this mess, I hope its appropiately priced. 
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Nov 1, 2015 19:03
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MVP posted:Why is Sandi not a good actress? 
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Nov 1, 2015 19:04
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D_Smart posted:This is precisely as I said in my blogs. The problem is that they are in fact actively seeking a bail out. What form (investors, publisher, loans) remains to be seen. But it will happen because given the decline in 2015 funding compared to previous years, not to mention all the bad PR, refunds etc, chances are that they won't survive 2016 without either a) shipping something b) getting a bail out Let me play Devils advocate for a moment in answering your question. Maybe they refunded the investor because they have the finances that they don't need that capital. Now let's get back to reality. They refunded her/him so they don't have to show the financials.
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Nov 1, 2015 19:06
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Moola posted:is this cut scenes from a porn??? Sandi's best scene, camera work is phenomenal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5ngauotEWM
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Nov 1, 2015 19:06
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D_Smart posted:This is precisely as I said in my blogs. The problem is that they are in fact actively seeking a bail out. What form (investors, publisher, loans) remains to be seen. But it will happen because given the decline in 2015 funding compared to previous years, not to mention all the bad PR, refunds etc, chances are that they won't survive 2016 without either a) shipping something b) getting a bail out hopefully it was booch that got his money back also im loling at how hard d-smart is lubing up his pole of justice to hate gently caress CIG. its glorious and i'm happy to be witnessing it.
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Nov 1, 2015 19:07
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Romes128 posted:hopefully it was booch that got his money back lol if you think this will hurt Star Citizen.
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Nov 1, 2015 19:09
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MVP posted:lol if you think this will hurt Star Citizen. maybe, maybe not but plenty of cultists will cry for days about it and i wanna see those sweet tears flow.
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Nov 1, 2015 19:12
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Moola posted:is this cut scenes from a porn??? That is, literally and unironically, the ONLY way her acting would be remotely excusable. i watch porn for the story  Sadly, shes not even very attractive. Looks like a skeleton.
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MVP posted:lol if you think this will hurt Star Citizen. It's already started, d smart showing up and smarting it up has caused CIG to gently caress themselves up. They be hurtin so much they made Croberts rant on company letterhead and Sandi cry at their company picnic
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