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Mithaldu posted:Win7 64 bit. Here's how Vivaldi behaves for me, in comparison to Opera 12: Ha, Daniel had me test something similar a week ago: Just press and hold Ctrl+T a bit to make a bunch of new tabs, then close them again (e.g. holding Ctrl+W). Apparently that's one of the automated tests he wrote for O12, and it's still one of the best at it. New opera does some trickery to make it feel decently fast as well; it's markedly faster than Vivaldi. The more brutal variant is to hold Ctrl+N, though that's even more a test of creation overhead instead of rendering time. It's hard to say if the more HTML-based UI in Vivaldi would make it harder to optimize these things over time; I would assume most of the heavy lifting is still in native code and could be improved a lot when they have time. Computer viking fucked around with this message at 09:39 on Jul 21, 2015 |
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Computer viking posted:It's hard to say if the more HTML-based UI in Vivaldi would make it harder to optimize these things over time; I would assume most of the heavy lifting is still in native code and could be improved a lot when they have time. There will of course be a native layer, but i suspect that is restricted to the JS engine they run, which will likely be in C, and whatever FFI interfaces they use. One of the things they're giving up with that is direct memory management, which makes effective optimization of UI code REALLY hard, beyond a certain level of speed. Plus, if they're also keeping within the single-threaded, event-based nature of node.js, which casual observation of the task manager seems to imply they do even when vivaldi has multiple windows open, then creating a *smooth* and responsive UI is going to be almost impossible, since anything will be able to lock the gui and user input events will often be missed/dropped, which is something i observe a lot in vivaldi. Additionally, even porting JS bits to FFI interfaces will not be able to speed certain things up, as the conversion of data from the realm of a dynamic language back to direct memory-backed stores is very expensive no matter which way you attempt it (bulk, piece by piece). My source of experience with this is two implementations of 3D GUIs in Perl.
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Jul 21, 2015 11:59
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drat, I didn't know they had gone that all-in when they said they were writing it in JS/HTML. That will be fun to optimize.
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Jul 21, 2015 14:09
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Just upgraded to Tech Preview 4, and I think Vivaldi is a fine browser as it is. Only thing missing is plugin support, would really like to see uMatrix & uBlock in Vivaldi.
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Aug 1, 2015 16:58
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There's inofficial support for Chrome addons like ublock. They have a thread about it on their forums.
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Aug 1, 2015 20:56
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Been running uBlock for months. A lot of other addons will (mostly) work as well, as long as there is an Options or Details page you can access through the Extensions page ( vivaldi://extensions ).
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Aug 2, 2015 00:33
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Has anyone been keeping tabs on Otter? Is it progressing at all?
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Aug 6, 2015 22:50
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Mithaldu posted:Win7 64 bit. Here's how Vivaldi behaves for me, in comparison to Opera 12: 
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Aug 6, 2015 23:09
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Armitage_Shanks posted:Has anyone been keeping tabs on Otter? Is it progressing at all?
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Aug 6, 2015 23:16
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Oh thank god, I was looking for this thread. I just performed a fresh install of Opera 31 on a Windows 10 machine. My question is simply how do I enable auto-playing/auto-launching of media files? I've looked all around and can't find any obvious options to do this.
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Cyril Sneer posted:Oh thank god, I was looking for this thread. You might want to ask the chrome thread, since Opera 15+ is just chrome with a few mods, and most of the people reading/posting here use Opera 12.
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Mithaldu posted:You might want to ask the chrome thread, since Opera 15+ is just chrome with a few mods, and most of the people reading/posting here use Opera 12. Huh, I had no idea. I shall do that.
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Aug 17, 2015 13:37
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I am using the new Opera, but I don't understand what exactly you want to enable.
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AbstractNapper posted:I am using the new Opera, but I don't understand what exactly you want to enable.
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As far as I know, the "new" Opera, uses installed plugins to handle some media content (eg pdf files, or videos) as embeded content in-browser. The behavior of these is managed from Settings -> Web Sites -> Plugins (-> Manage Individual Plugins for a list view of detected plugins). In my installation there are not many plugins in that view, but I guess that installing some applications (eg vlc or similar) may trigger Opera to detect and use their plugins (if they offer such). There is no way to set an "open with" association for media file links. The current way seems to be, let it download and then click on the download popup notification and it will open with your OS default program that handles that. Ofcourse this is not the "automatic" way that Cyril Sneer wants. I've seen some extension that maybe do this, but I haven't tried any... eg: Open With Application https://addons.opera.com/en-gb/extensions/details/open-with-application/?display=en
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RoadCrewWorker posted:Gonna assume he means clicking a *.mpg file link will download the file and open it via a local player instead of just showing the "save file" dialog. In Opera12 you can set the MIME type handler using the Downloads settings, not sure how chropera does it, but it shouldn't be too far off. This is correct. Back in 12, media files would download then launch via my local player. I want to replicate this behaviour in 31.
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New Vivaldi snapshot added Extention UI button support (just basic right now, but still). Hopefully they work on private tabs (I'd settle for window) soon as that's the big block stopping me personally from switching over for most day to day stuff.
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Doom Goon posted:New Vivaldi snapshot added Extention UI button support (just basic right now, but still). Hopefully they work on private tabs (I'd settle for window) soon as that's the big block stopping me personally from switching over for most day to day stuff. Weirdly enough this somehow broke right-click > Block Element with uBlock 
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I have no idea how you can use Vivaldi. It somehow manages to be a step back even compared to Opera Chrome Edition. It's slower and clunkier and has even worse Hi-DPi support. I've moved from Opera 12 for some time now and the only thing I miss is Big Tab Mode.
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Stanley Pain posted:I have no idea how you can use Vivaldi. 
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Aunt Beth posted:It gets noticeably better with every new release. I should probably just switch to Firefox or something, but I just don't wanna That way you can use Opera 12 as your central browser (which works better than any other browser for the not shittily made websites that make up 95% of the internet), and for anything you find doesn't work correctly in it, or you know doesn't work correctly in it, you can load it in another browser instantly. It's fairly simple to add and i've described the method here: Mithaldu posted:find this and edit this
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Mithaldu posted:You could switch back to Opera 12
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Aunt Beth posted:One question about 12: have they kept up with patching to support/deprecate various protocols since all these crypto vulnerabilities have been discovered? Or is it just an unsupported old browser at this point?
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Mithaldu posted:That way you can use Opera 12 as your central browser (which works better than any other browser for the not shittily made websites that make up 95% of the internet), and for anything you find doesn't work correctly in it, or you know doesn't work correctly in it, you can load it in another browser instantly. The only sites I ever have a problem with are various Google sites that insist that I can't possibly use them because I'm using an unsupported browser, but actually work fine if I pretend I'm using Firefox or something. It's just a nuisance.
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Well I sure do love this Vivaldi bug wherein highlighting the address bar sometimes makes it think I'm editing my bookmarks, which via a couple of misplaced "ctrl+x"s has eaten entire folders which I have no way of quickly re-adding. (edit: I think it just disabled the Speed Dial entirely. Amazing.) Maybe I'll try Otter for a few days until a bugfix comes out.
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Awesome, Vivaldi's added private windows to its newest snapshot. It's not private tab support (which, from the comments, sounds like it'd be significant development that won't even be considered for a long time), but maybe now I can use it enough that I can get annoyed with it too.
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Vivaldi went Beta today. https://vivaldi.com/press/releases/2015-11-03-Vivaldi-Moves-to-Beta/
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Is it reasonably fast yet?
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No, it is not.
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Mithaldu posted:No, it is not.  RIP
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I've been using Vivaldi a bit for the past month or two. It's quite nice. Granted, I haven't tried using any addons yet.
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Mithaldu posted:Is it reasonably fast yet?
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Aunt Beth posted:The beta is MUCH speedier than even the most recent alphas. It's getting there. I've been using it as my daily for quite a while now. Though like every other Chromium browser it just eats all the memory. It struggles when opening a bunch of empty tabs at once. It struggles when closing them again. It struggles when switching between tabs, even after giving it some time to settle down. It struggles with utterly simple things in unchallenging situations. I can only imagine how badly it runs once you're actually throwing any kind of load at it. This is seemingly unchanged. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqvSc3_RZTo
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I'm actually liking Vivaldi especially the quick command thing, tabs on the side, and tiling, but do wish I could move tabs between windows.
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Mithaldu posted:It struggles when opening a bunch of empty tabs at once. It struggles when closing them again. It struggles when switching between tabs, even after giving it some time to settle down.
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Mithaldu posted:It struggles when opening a bunch of empty tabs at once. It struggles when closing them again. It struggles when switching between tabs, even after giving it some time to settle down. on the other hand, Opera 12.x is a dead browser whose incompatibilities are growing daily and Chropera is, well, Chropera and people's fetishization of speed over everything else is retarded; there is a reason you don't drive a Formula 1 race car to work. speed isn't the only feature which matters
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I'm not fetishizing speed, i'm pointing out that Vivaldi cannot even keep up with a dead browser and that it's not even not fast, it is outright slow.
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In some regards Windows XP can be faster and more responsive than 7 or 10 but that doesn't mean you should run it
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Mithaldu posted:I'm not fetishizing speed, i'm pointing out that Vivaldi cannot even keep up with a dead browser and that it's not even not fast, it is outright slow. That is a kind of stupid comparison to make though. The speed of opening and closing tabs is vastly unimportant to how quick the browser is at everything that actually has to do with dealing with page content (yet more importantly, how able the browser is at doing that in the first place). Make a comparison test with that, grab 5 or 10 commonly used websites and see how well Opera 12 vs Vivaldi does. Because viewing websites is why you are using a browser, not opening or closing tabs.
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I also tested tab switching. In any case, i didn't bother testing further because Opera maintains that kind of performance even with my 80 tabs open. I doubt Vivaldi can even open that many tabs without the UI becoming unusable.
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