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D_Smart posted:Yes. I know things. Quoted for posterity.
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Matlock Birthmark posted:It actually is, and while I'm giving Dsmart the benefit of the doubt, I can't imagine this would qualify for a RICO situation. It's a lot of money. Raised through the public. With several international entities involved. And a bunch of guys who were part of a company involved in the Gizmondo money laundering op. The Feds don't even need a reason anymore to lump everything under a RICO case since it gives them a lot more leeway when international entities are involved. I have had extensive discussions with legal about this. It's not something we focus on because we're not involved in that and really don't care what the Feds do or don't do.
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Nov 6, 2015 21:46
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Lesnick isn't bailing because he's Smart's mole and just wants to watch the world burn.
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Nov 6, 2015 21:47
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jaffyjaffy posted:
No, I don't believe it will die, but it will have a serious and long lasting impact. Especially in the gaming sector.
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Nov 6, 2015 21:48
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People will still crowd fund, after all we've gotten some great games via well run crowd funded projects. But people will want more transparency and accountability and they will certainly think twice before they spend thousands on jpegs.
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Nov 6, 2015 21:49
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OhDearGodNo posted:This is the first time I've been in this Twitch chat, and honestly these questions are just terrible. Do you know when they are going to start selling access again?
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Nov 6, 2015 21:49
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Matlock Birthmark posted:It actually is, and while I'm giving Dsmart the benefit of the doubt, I can't imagine this would qualify for a RICO situation. Yeah I doubt it's really that serious, and as much as the idea of Chris, Sandi and Ortwin wearing orange makes me smile, I kinda hope it doesn't have to go that far.
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Nov 6, 2015 21:50
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jaffyjaffy posted:
People will still chuck their money at poo poo. There have been enough successes. Look at all the goons getting excited about Battletech. But dude who did a games thing in the 90s and wants to do that thing again but betterer might be over. I hope it leads to some consumer protections because it'd be cool if it all started with Derek Smart and funny pictures.
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Nov 6, 2015 21:50
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Matlock Birthmark posted:It actually is, and while I'm giving Dsmart the benefit of the doubt, I can't imagine this would qualify for a RICO situation. Yeah, and FIFA was involved with much MUCH more serious things. The Justice Department tried to apply RICO where they could, but even then was difficult when it came to FIFA because of acts (such as racketeering, murder, bribing, whatever) committed by separate defendants rather than an organization as a whole. This absolutely will not come to a RICO situation.
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Nov 6, 2015 21:50
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Matlock Birthmark posted:It actually is, and while I'm giving Dsmart the benefit of the doubt, I can't imagine this would qualify for a RICO situation. RICO is the poo poo they used to take down the mob, that's pretty much what it's for. It's serious loving business.
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Nov 6, 2015 21:50
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Reminder, Al Capone got taken down due to tax evasion, not mafia dealings
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Nov 6, 2015 21:52
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 Divide the increase by 10 to get a rough idea of how many idiots spent over 1000 bucks on jpegs.
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Nov 6, 2015 21:53
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Whether or not RICO will apply depends on how much collusion is going on between our main fraudsters and how much of that can be proven on paper. Basically what RICO does is it says alright, we might not have enough evidence of individual crimes that you committed, but if we can prove you were part of an ongoing criminal enterprise we can charge you with any of the crimes committed by any of the other members of said organization. fat bossy gerbil fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Nov 6, 2015 |
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Nov 6, 2015 21:55
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Lord_NeckBeard posted:I hope you recover legal bills out of all this, Dr. Smart. She's 35 according to IMDB http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1667407/ The years have been rough...
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theultimo posted:Reminder, Al Capone got taken down due to tax evasion, not mafia dealings
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D_Smart posted:I have had extensive discussions with legal about this. It's an old joke but this still made me giggle. 
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Nov 6, 2015 21:56
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http://www.pcgamer.com/meet-a-fan-who-has-spent-30000-on-star-citizen-ships/ $30,000 is a down payment on a house.
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Nov 6, 2015 21:58
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tooterfish posted:You never watched the Sopranos? Yes, I agree, it's pretty serious. Which is why I find it hard to believe that this whole Star Citizen fiasco would qualify.
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Nov 6, 2015 21:59
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DarkRefreshment posted:She's 35 according to IMDB Lmao she's like E list star, being an extra for quite a few trashy films, and a goddam 10 seconds in a soap opera. Sandi/y, GIVE UP YOUR DREAM YOU ARE AWFUL
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Nov 6, 2015 21:59
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tooterfish posted:You never watched the Sopranos? A RICO case requires the justice department make a case that there is a conspiracy of criminal intent. You have to show the participants were part of an organization and had intent to commit a crime. RICO allows you to charge all of the participants of a criminal conspiracy with the same charges, instead of having to build a case for each individual. They're generally used for taking down large syndicates or networks. This would not happen for a game developer as there is no need to put in the work. You can charge the participants individually and have the result you need. If everyone involved at CIG was part of a criminal enterprise, and remember this requires not only showing that their actions were criminal, but that the intent was to commit a crime, then you'd have grounds for a RICO prosecution. This is at best a small part of a foreign subsidiary of a large developer. A lot of younger people remember RICO took down the MOB!! And forget the reason RICO was created, and used, was to take down large criminal enterprises when the leaders were not committing the crimes. Mr. Smart has insisted that he has knowledge that at least some of the leaders are directly involved in criminal activity, so again, no need for RICO in a case like that. ... Assuming that all is true, of course.
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Im_drunk posted:http://www.pcgamer.com/meet-a-fan-who-has-spent-30000-on-star-citizen-ships/ quote:There’s that—I’m not even going to mention his name—the one guy, I know you know who it is, who keeps ragging on it. He who shall not be named. 
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Nov 6, 2015 22:05
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hey thread should i buy elite y/n?
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Im_drunk posted:http://www.pcgamer.com/meet-a-fan-who-has-spent-30000-on-star-citizen-ships/ Suck on that wulf 
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Nov 6, 2015 22:05
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Im_drunk posted:http://www.pcgamer.com/meet-a-fan-who-has-spent-30000-on-star-citizen-ships/ To be fair this guy says he just did "side jobs" to pay for this. Either he's lying, or he's very wealthy indeed. I don't know what $30k is to him, but it's probably a lot less than it is to most people. It's the people spending $10k when that's every penny they've got in their bank account that are really insane. If you're swimming in money and throw some of it on this bonfire it's not so weird.
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Nov 6, 2015 22:06
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Chalks posted:To be fair this guy says he just did "side jobs" to pay for this. Either he's lying, or he's very wealthy indeed. I don't know what $30k is to him, but it's probably a lot less than it is to most people. The amount of money you have does not make spending 30k on space jpegs less dumb.
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While I was in L.A. for Comikaze as well as to hang out with my friend and her family, yes that friend, I saw a Scientology booth cleverly disguised as a book booth! Being the goon I am, I proudly go "Yey! Scientology!" And snapped this photo. I think they lady's face on the left says it all. 
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Nov 6, 2015 22:08
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fuctifino posted:Sandi read for the same guy in March for a different movie, and it looks like it's the same office (same table/window size). Just to explain why more people are not talking about this here. We found all this out weeks ago in one of the other Star Citizen threads, videos, twitter photos the lot, I think most of it came originally from sources leaking to Derek back then. I'm not saying don't talk about it, just saying most of us know all this.
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Nov 6, 2015 22:08
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Im_drunk posted:http://www.pcgamer.com/meet-a-fan-who-has-spent-30000-on-star-citizen-ships/ Is it me, or is PC Gamer the only place with regular articles on Star Citizen?
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jaffyjaffy posted:
Crowdfunding crazy dreams from failed has-beens for $100M? Already dead I think. There hasn't been anything quite like SC. Crowdfunding at a sane budget, for games in general? Seems quite healthy. So far I have backed, received, and played: FTL Shadowrun (twice) Pillars of Eternity Elite Dangerous (a space game!) Wasteland 2 Banner Saga Divinity: Original Sin Sunless Sea Some were better than others, some were amazing, all were at least pretty good. And Elite just keeps getting better. Have also backed and am still waiting on: Torment: Tides of Numenara Kingdom come: Delieverance Pathologic (Remake) all of which still look promising, and likely to happen.
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Nov 6, 2015 22:11
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Wafflz posted:The amount of money you have does not make spending 30k on space jpegs less dumb. I dunno, it kinda does to me. To some people, spending $50 on a video game is loads of money but I'd spend that in a blink of an eye. I can imagine that some people are wealthy enough that they might consider 30k to be "fun money". Obviously the fact that we're talking about star citizen, a game that is being horrendously driven into the ground and will probably never be released yet alone playable or fun, makes things worse. But for me it's way worse to spend your rent money on the game than it is to fart out some money you were going to blow on a second sports car on this instead. Different worlds. It's like Derek Smart throwing money at lawyers just so he can write blog posts on the internet. Most people would consider that to be a big waste of money but to someone wealthy it's nothing.
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Nov 6, 2015 22:12
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Nation posted:hey thread should i buy elite y/n? Yeah, probably. Assuming you like space, and spaceships! But wait 'til December, when Horizons expansion comes out, you get base game with that.
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Nov 6, 2015 22:15
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Kazy posted:Is it me, or is PC Gamer the only place with regular articles on Star Citizen? There is little reason for most places to report on it. A lot of them investigated some of Derek's allegations or wrote about the Escapist article, but as there has not been a major update since Arena Commander/Racing and the 'Social' module came out, there's no reason for game sites to update about it. It's kinda the same tack they take with Early Access. You don't see a new post on every Rust or Ark update. Only for major updates.
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Nov 6, 2015 22:15
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lol this whole thing is a scam for two failed Hollywood rejects to try and get back into the biz, except croberts has a terrible reputation and Sandi is a terrible actress, so that'll fail too. Anyone who still has money in this is stupid.
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Chalks posted:I dunno, it kinda does to me. To some people, spending $50 on a video game is loads of money but I'd spend that in a blink of an eye. I can imagine that some people are wealthy enough that they might consider 30k to be "fun money". but $50 is roughly what a video game costs, paying the normal price for something isn't the issue here.
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Nov 6, 2015 22:17
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Berious posted:I hope it leads to some consumer protections because it'd be cool if it all started with Derek Smart and funny pictures. ^this. That's what I'm hoping for. It will be my legacy. I think. 
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Nov 6, 2015 22:20
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Wafflz posted:but $50 is roughly what a video game costs, paying the normal price for something isn't the issue here. It really depends on your perspective. Just as an example, out here in the valley, one of my friends just had his third company purchased. One of the things he likes to do is spread that income to kickstarters, he tosses $5-10k donations to whatever his favorite projects are at the moment. When you have enough money to no longer worry about acquiring income, your perspective shifts on what you consider 'wasting' funds. I occasionally think about $100 purchases, but I have friends who have difficulty getting $5 together for lunch. It's all a matter of perspective. (For those curious, yes, I do help out my friends.)
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Nov 6, 2015 22:23
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Croberts is currently masturbating furiously over this article. http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34752120
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AP posted:Just to explain why more people are not talking about this here. We found all this out weeks ago in one of the other Star Citizen threads, videos, twitter photos the lot, I think most of it came originally from sources leaking to Derek back then. I'm not saying don't talk about it, just saying most of us know all this. I must have missed all of this. These SC threads are hard to keep up with. lol
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