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Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

From the Monthly report.... A look into what optimization actually means, versus how the rest of the industry uses it.... in my opinion anyway. posted:

"One of the next features we’ll be focussing on is more improvements to the face shader. We’re getting some great results from the advanced face rigs we have, but the memory cost is currently pretty high and so we’re trialling a new technique that will vastly reduce the memory cost to just a small fraction of what it is currently, with the bonus of actually achieving more detail, so we’re excited to get this tested and hopefully in-game soon. We’re also going to start a major re-work of both the UI rendering and shield shader. Both of these were written very early in the project and as the design of the game has become more finalised it’s become clear they need an upgrade in order to do everything we’ll need in the final PU. For the UI we’ll be integrating it more closely into the rest of the rendering pipeline which will allow it to fit better into the scene and also be slightly cheaper to render. For the shield shader the technique will get a major visual and performance improvement which we’re excited to get started on!"

This is what optimization is. This is what innovation is. Not the bullshit buzzword that we keep hearing used in promotional PR, and fans in the community. As stated in the title, I have no actual proof, but when I look at most games for instance, like say... The Witcher 3, the game is often called by the community "incredibly well optimized". Or GTA V. And yet, what we saw at Citizencon looking freaking amazing. Here they're telling us they're going to be able to reduce the memory strain and make it even MORE visually detailed? THAT is optimization. This, I believe, is how the NVIDIA GTX 480/AMD Whatever (7990?) will be still be a reasonable assumption for the minimum requirements for the final games. If not simply changing it 2 generations to a GTX 680.

I'm sorry to name names, but to require a GTX 780 as a "recommended" graphics card for Fallout 4, is just plain insulting. Looking into the development of Star Citizen more closely, Mark Abent revealed what is on his personal machine that he uses for debugging. A GTX 780, and 3770k. Even the minimum card of a 550 Ti is also insulting, in my opinion. People should hold Bethesda to a higher standard than they currently do.

But then again, people also forget the past, as well. I'm starting to feel old. Again, I'm sorry. I just needed to get this off of my chest. All of the work that CIG does goes vastly unappreciated, even by some of the community members here. Partially because many people don't even understand it, even when it's laid out even more simplified than it actually is. (Not that I'm calling you all simple, lol) Remember how badly the Hangar Module ate RAM back in Early 2013, Mid 2014? 12 whole GB. You know what recently is an unoptimized in any sense of the word, piece of poo poo on PC? Call of Duty: Black Ops III. Multiple configurations, requiring 12 GB of RAM to even run at 30 FPS. As well as at least a 980 Ti.

I honestly am awaiting the day... I believe it's coming. I am awaiting the day, when Squadron 42 gets released, looking as amazing as it does, on hardware older than 5 years, and people wonder just how it can look that way, despite other, less graphically, and AI intensive games, "requiring" more. Fastly, we are approaching that day.

Chris Roberts is going to stir up the world again. That "How is this even possible" bewonderment that will put the PC to shine is going to be happening right in front of us. And you all, My fellow Citizens, are helping to make that a reality.

Kryten, Out.

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G0RF
Mar 19, 2015

Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.
All I know is I could play Fallout 4 on my PS4 or my bombass PC by Tuesday, while this guy will be falling through the bottom of his hangar and getting run over by buggies in ArcCorp for the rest of the year.

Sushi in Yiddish
Feb 2, 2008

A DS tactical blunder so immense it got me to agree with reddit, goddamn what a day it's been.

Dark Off
Aug 14, 2015




:shepicide:
i... just cant understand what kind of brainwashing these guys have gotten
i mean the game already runs like poo poo. And they are talking about upping the graphic levels even further?. Hell they dont even have proper max player count in the game.
:gary: Paaaaaarp :yarg:

Karl_Ramseier
Aug 21, 2015

I don't have to work very hard at being an asshole. It comes naturally.

No practice needed.

Since Goons ruin everything, I'm pretending to be a Goon for Halloween!

Toops posted:

Real talk for a minute. You're not half the "Game Development Genius" you think you are. The fact that you're so god drat desperate to drive traffic to your blog that you'd consider a hate propaganda website to be a reasonable platform makes you look flat loving looney tunes.

Can we go back to making GBS threads on mental invalids for spending 15k on space dreams please? This isn't even remotely loving funny.

Oh yes it is, it is GLORIOUS. I can't stop laughing. Derek Smart, goon, is talking to a racist fucker. Have a nice week or so, we will make sure that this won't be forgotten in a week.

eonwe
Aug 11, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

Karl_Ramseier posted:

Oh yes it is, it is GLORIOUS. I can't stop laughing. Derek Smart, goon, is talking to a racist fucker. Have a nice week or so, we will make sure that this won't be forgotten in a week.

shut up nerd

TehRedWheelbarrow
Mar 16, 2011



Fan of Britches

Karl_Ramseier posted:

Oh yes it is, it is GLORIOUS. I can't stop laughing. Derek Smart, goon, is talking to a racist fucker. Have a nice week or so, we will make sure that this won't be forgotten in a week.

Nice of you to show up Karl, I'm glad we will be amused.

Can you do something funny this time?

SirTagz
Feb 25, 2014

From the monthly update from Frankfurt:

quote:

At the moment (we) are currently working on the first version of our systemic combat behavior creating basic tactics the AI can select during the combat behaviors.

Please read that sentence again. That poo poo was supposed to be released in spring. and will be out in two weeks.

:psyboom:

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


I personally don't give a gently caress what Derek Smart does because I am here to laugh at SC

my girlfriend is Legos
Apr 24, 2013
I don't care about Derek's personal credibility, and at this point in time I don't exactly think Derek does, either - he's confident that the information he's related will eventually turn out to be mostly correct - associating with noted garbage idiot Vox Day seems like an absolutely miserable time regardless of what it makes goons, redditors and everyone else think of you. Also, what's with all this talk like he's some kind of game design pioneer?

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

Karl_Ramseier posted:

Oh yes it is, it is GLORIOUS. I can't stop laughing. Derek Smart, goon, is talking to a racist fucker. Have a nice week or so, we will make sure that this won't be forgotten in a week.
That's nice. Please don't break Derek's neck.

skit herre
Mar 24, 2015

Don't do drugs, kids.
Lipstick Apathy

Ag Bengip posted:

Also, what's with all this talk like he's some kind of game design pioneer?

He invented the escort quest.

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!
Maybe after talking to Derek Smart Vox Day will change some of his views on race. If that's what it takes to open someone's eyes, you do that, Mr. Derek Smart.

But really, goons overall aren't a super SJW crowd, yet everyone is this thread (save for Seraph) wouldn't want to have anything to do with Vox Day. And that's goons. Imagine how regular people who aren't familiar with your style will react to it. It's going to be a PR disaster for you, Mr. Smart, I'm sorry. And this will damage the cause.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer
Thread is poo poo now, congratulations for trying to tell Derek Smart what to do and then getting pissed he doesn't do it. He's Derek loving Smart. I need a new thread just to laugh at this one.

Hey, Karl came back maybe we can save it.

SirTagz
Feb 25, 2014

Stop referencing Derek Smart in every effing post. Jeez
Could you mock SC or something?

Dusty Lens
Jul 1, 2015

All Glory unto the Stimpire. Give up your arms and legs and embrace the beautiful agony of electricity that doubles in pain every second.

Raskolnikov posted:

Bootcha for spaceship jpeg op. This D_Ssmart one has lost appeal for some reason.

SirTagz
Feb 25, 2014

Raskolnikov posted:

Bootcha for spaceship jpeg op. This D_Ssmart one has lost appeal for some reason.

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

Dark Off posted:

:shepicide:
i... just cant understand what kind of brainwashing these guys have gotten
i mean the game already runs like poo poo. And they are talking about upping the graphic levels even further?. Hell they dont even have proper max player count in the game.
:gary: Paaaaaarp :yarg:

Kynexn posted:

FEED MY 980 TI POLYGONS and PARTICLES! SHE DEMANDS TO BE FAT. That is what I picture an anthropomorphic version of it or something. I don't know, I felt like doing a silly. I agree. It's like... we're being fed the wrong kind of usage on our GPUs, since there's very few pure PC games anymore. I don't expect much though for 4K in Star Citizen. I would be pleasantly surprised if it could manage 4K30, but remember, texture resolution is more important than screen resolution, and they don't even have to have more than 2K textures right now, as something a CIG artist showed us. So think about what would happen when they start moving to 8K textures more heavily. The game's visual are already more or less future compatible. I think 3440x1440 widescreen is going to be more of a target goal too. Then by the time that becomes a slight standard, 5160x2160, which is 4K ultrawide will start making its appearance, since we have 8K monitors and televisions now. Just like how 1440p ultrawide cropped up as 4K was almost becoming the standard. I hope this made a lot of sense, my brain did a thing there. And I'm too lazy to make it more coherent right now.

Oh I know. Yeah. So, I would consider a "Standard" when 4K monitor are at least 100-150 USD. Like I can go out and get pretty much any 1080p IPS monitor for that price. Brain working properly for this bit, at least. I bought my 4K monitor at 450 USD, and now the cheapest 4K monitor is 350. Well, good quality anyway.

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer

Karl_Ramseier posted:

Oh yes it is, it is GLORIOUS. I can't stop laughing. Derek Smart, goon, is talking to a racist fucker. Have a nice week or so, we will make sure that this won't be forgotten in a week.

Karl you seemed sad on reddit, is everything going ok with your $5k investment mate?

FireWhizzle
Apr 2, 2009

a neckbeard elemental
Grimey Drawer
Paid Avatar/Title PVP is the most esteemed form of meta-gaming nerd rage. @eonwe #guildleader

I also like the part where a person got so enraged by internet words on a forum in a thread about a game that doesn't and will not exist, that they spent money on you

Lowtechs
Jan 12, 2001
Grimey Drawer

Paladinus posted:

Mr. Smart, I'm sorry. And this will damage the cause.

So this is actually a cause now? :gary: :laffo:

3
Aug 26, 2006

The Magic Number


College Slice

Eonwe posted:

shut up nerd

Ragequit
Jun 1, 2006


Lipstick Apathy
When is the actual interview taking place? Because I would love to see how this racist bigot integrates his views in to all of his "questions". I won't watch or listen of course, but enjoy the follow up and fallout here.

G0RF
Mar 19, 2015

Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.
Bootcha as OP would be fantastic--- particularly if the first post included the debut of his new video.

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


Isn't the texture resolution mostly just dependent on how varied a texture map is and not really related to how "sharp" textures are, like the only reason you need 4k textures is if for some reason you have a gigantic model that is all one piece with multiple different objects on it?

Like, making a round barrel or coffee cup have a 4k texture is retarded because it's grossly inefficient memory usage right? They complain about needing 12 gb of RAM for BLOPS3 but turn right around and praise SC for pushing the envelope with 4k textures... :psyduck:

DOMDOM
Apr 28, 2007

Fun Shoe

Karl_Ramseier posted:

Oh yes it is, it is GLORIOUS. I can't stop laughing. Derek Smart, goon, is talking to a racist fucker. Have a nice week or so, we will make sure that this won't be forgotten in a week.

I like how you skipped all the questions about the new mocap studio

Creed Reunion Tour
Jul 3, 2007

by Cyrano4747
Grimey Drawer
How far up your own rear end does your head need to be that you'd think it's a great idea to go on a literal nazi webthing to talk about vidya games? :psyduck:

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

Lowtechs posted:

So this is actually a cause now? :gary: :laffo:

It's more of a vast conspiracy to undermine Star Citizen. But the cause sounds better to my ear. Like we're all super spies or whatever, so I can pretend I do something meaningful at work.

G0RF
Mar 19, 2015

Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.
Which do you think he meant to type: "Semidiotic" or "Semierotic"?

a whole buncha crows
May 8, 2003

WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHO TO HATE, WE HATE OURSELVES.-SA USER NATION (AKA ME!)

lol this x1000

TheCoach
Mar 11, 2014
Meanwhile in "even before KS is complete this game is already real" land
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhK3m_DA4rA

D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
College Slice

Toops posted:

Real talk for a minute. You're not half the "Game Development Genius" you think you are. The fact that you're so god drat desperate to drive traffic to your blog that you'd consider a hate propaganda website to be a reasonable platform makes you look flat loving looney tunes.

Can we go back to making GBS threads on mental invalids for spending 15k on space dreams please? This isn't even remotely loving funny.

*sigh*

1) I never considered myself "Game Development Genius". Those are your words, not mine

2) My blog doesn't have any ads. I don't need traffic. It's not monetized. I just write there and anyone can go read it. It's a hobby. I pay for the site. Others pay for JPEGs of ships to a vaporware game.

3) Vox Day's site it not a "hate propaganda website"

4) I am not having a session on a "hate propaganda website". It's taking place here: https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/1400150363015143170

5) An industry peer - who knows about Star Citizen back when Chris wanted Wing Commander (he couldn't get it from EA, so he came up with Star Citizen), asked me to come talk about it. I agreed. The End.

That is all.

Decrepus
May 21, 2008

In the end, his dominion did not touch a single poster.


D_Smart, what if in the way that you steer conversations back to your hit videogame Battlecruiser 3000AD, Vox instead steers the conversation to the fact you are a deplorable negroid?

D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
College Slice

botany posted:

is vox going to be on the stream? i thought it was just assorted gamersgate people.

No. It has nothing to do with Vox or GamerGate.

Prop Wash
Jun 12, 2010



I mean, yes, vox day's website is a hate propaganda website, also gently caress off Derek smart

D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
College Slice

Romes128 posted:

Wow

Fuckin pay attention. According to ds it's ONLY about star citizen.

Ignore the racists and nazis tho

That's all it's about. Nothing else.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/11/brainstorm-with-derek-smart.html

And he has written about Star Citizen before this. Hence the invite.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-collapse-of-star-citizen.html

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-90m-crash-of-star-citizen.html

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

D_Smart posted:

*sigh*

1) I never considered myself "Game Development Genius". Those are your words, not mine

2) My blog doesn't have any ads. I don't need traffic. It's not monetized. I just write there and anyone can go read it. It's a hobby. I pay for the site. Others pay for JPEGs of ships to a vaporware game.

3) Vox Day's site it not a "hate propaganda website"

4) I am not having a session on a "hate propaganda website". It's taking place here: https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/1400150363015143170

5) An industry peer - who knows about Star Citizen back when Chris wanted Wing Commander (he couldn't get it from EA, so he came up with Star Citizen), asked me to come talk about it. I agreed. The End.

That is all.

If you really don't care about SA's opinion about this stop defending it so fervently.

DOMDOM
Apr 28, 2007

Fun Shoe

D_Smart posted:

3) Vox Day's site it not a "hate propaganda website"
can you back this up with facts

Wrath of the Bitch King
May 11, 2005

Research confirms that black is a color like silver is a color, and that beyond black is clarity.
1) please stop trying to get DS to stop being stupid. It's at odds with entertaining me.
2) Karl, please address the mocap situation.

TIA

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A Neurotic Jew
Feb 17, 2012

by exmarx

Wrath of the Bitch King posted:

1) please stop trying to get DS to stop being stupid. It's at odds with entertaining me.
2) Karl, please address the mocap situation.

TIA

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