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Looks like the dust is finally clearing for the Carvers. Annie has her fire back and Tony is less of an indomitable wall than he first appeared. Maybe they can start to build an actual father-daughter relationship.
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Nov 6, 2015 23:58
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I laughed so hard when I saw today's page...Space Cadet Omoly posted:The chapter is going to be one page long: Annie will walk in and say "I want Reynardine back." and then Tony will say "Fine." And this made me laugh even harder. Holy poo poo. Yay Renard 
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Nov 7, 2015 01:05
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Next chapter, Annie demands to be moved back up a year, and Tony agrees, with a scene of him spiraling out of control through vast emotional galaxies.
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Nov 7, 2015 01:23
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:The chapter is going to be one page long: Annie will walk in and say "I want Reynardine back." and then Tony will say "Fine." 
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Nov 7, 2015 01:44
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:It was worth it. I still think the hard part is going to be convincing Kat that returning ownership of Reynard is the right thing to do, though.
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Nov 8, 2015 02:33
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"Kat, please return ownership to me, TIA" "Well I don't know Annie..." *bursts into flames* "OKHEREYOUGOMOZELTOV"
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Nov 8, 2015 03:46
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Renard is their friend he should not be owned by either of them. 
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Nov 8, 2015 03:48
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Reminder that Annie once offered to let Renard go, and he declined. He's continued to be owned by Annie because the court wouldn't let him stay otherwise. She hasn't -- purposefully -- used her power over him since that summer she ran away. We get that much from his conversation with Hetty. He's still a slave, which is Not Great even with a 'kind owner' and etc, but all these issues were looked at in detail in that chapter Quicksilver: he sees this situation as best, and he kind of feels like he's atoning for his guilt. Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Nov 8, 2015 |
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Nov 8, 2015 06:08
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There's no class/socio-economic element to their relationship, so he's not a slave.
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Nov 8, 2015 08:54
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:There's no class/socio-economic element to their relationship, so he's not a slave. 1) Okay fine, sub that part of the sentence out with "The whole ownership situation is still Not Great, but" if you want. 2) I'm pretty sure "a person literally owning another person" qualifies for at least one definition of the word "slave."
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Nov 8, 2015 09:47
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*camera zooms in real close to my poo poo-coverd face* "OH BOY, HERE WE GO AGAIN" *laugh track plays for ten minutes while I hold your gaze, adder-like*
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BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Dec 1, 2016 |
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Nov 8, 2015 10:33
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Annie does not own the person; she owns (owned) the doll he's trapped in. So the term would not be "slave" but "prisoner."
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Nov 8, 2015 11:07
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Oh god I'm sorry, I really don't want to get bogged down in pedantry or any sort of argument with BOTL. Can we agree that the magically-enforced-obedience is a less-than-ideal situation between people who have grown to become good friends, but [insert the rest of my post here. Actually, just insert the chapter Quicksilver here, which is a good chapter exploring Renard's perspective on this arrangement. That's what I wanted to talk about.] ? EDIT: VVVVV You're hung up on the one clause in my original post tonight that was a reference to the opposite direction of the actual point I was trying to make in that post. I was talking to people who expressed distaste about the ownership thing, not expressing that distaste myself. Please stop. VVVVV Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 11:48 on Nov 8, 2015 |
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Nov 8, 2015 11:32
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:In order to not confuse it with slavery, you need to actually think about what "ownership" here means. Since there is no class/socio-economic dimension to it, it's not a form of slavery or social inequality. "Ownership" means that Reynard has to obey his master, but since there's no element of social inequality, it cannot be parsed as anything but a relationship between people who are (in principle) equals. Have we been reading the same comic? Annie and Renard live in the Court, where forest denizens can't go without literally abandoning their old bodies and becoming humans. There absolutely is a social inequality element there, simply because Annie is human and Renard is not. On top of that, Renard is also an actual criminal who's done jail time for goddamn murder. Oh sure, Annie might try to treat him as an equal, but that will not make the social stigma of being a murdering fox god go away.
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Nov 8, 2015 11:47
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YF-23 posted:the social stigma of being a murdering fox Around fox, never relox.
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Why does Tony have Renard at the door already? Does he just carry him around everywhere? Also, Annie's haircut is now very out of place.
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Nov 8, 2015 14:22
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Now robots? Those are real proles. Except robots seem to choose to do what the humans want mainly to have something to do, rather than because they're compelled to.
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Nov 8, 2015 14:46
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:There's no class/socio-economic element to their relationship, so he's not a slave. a dictionary posted:slave
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Nov 8, 2015 15:46
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Worthleast posted:Why does Tony have Renard at the door already? Does he just carry him around everywhere? Ha! But seriously, I would say he either saw Annie before opening the door and knew what she would want, or he walked back into the house to grab the doll and that part isn't shown so as not to mess up the pacing of the joke.
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Nov 8, 2015 16:14
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:In addition, slavery is a socio-economic relationship between classes. A master-familiar function is extremely rare in GC, so you can't really call them discrete classes. I have to obey authority figures sometimes too, but that doesnt make me a slave. This is semantic nonsense, and you are trying to achieve correctness based on nothing but force of argument. It's pretty dumb, and also wrong, and on top of that a pretty pointless argument, so stop. No one cares about your transparent attempts at trying to push niche definitions into a position of acceptance in the Gunnerkrig Court thread. MikeJF posted:Except robots seem to choose to do what the humans want mainly to have something to do, rather than because they're compelled to. I suspect the way the robots see the relationship and the way the court sees the relationship may differ.
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Nov 8, 2015 18:37
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You see ,Tony represents the Court.
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Nov 8, 2015 19:57
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:" Custody, not ownership.  Ownership belongs to Kat.
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Nov 8, 2015 20:35
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Please keep all talk of custards in GWS, thanks.
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Nov 8, 2015 21:05
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Annie only "owns" Renard in the sense that there's this magic mumbo jumbo binding thing on the wolf doll he possessed. That could make Renard a slave, but doesn't for the sole reason that Annie is perfectly willing to release him from his magic mumbo jumbo binding thing, and Renards knows it. Renard told her he doesn't want that because he would have to go to the forest and leave Annie. If he was actually a slave he wouldn't get that choice. and for my closing argument, http://gunnerkrigg.com/?p=995
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Nov 8, 2015 22:11
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Lowen posted:Renard told her he doesn't want that because he would have to go to the forest and leave Annie. If he was actually a slave he wouldn't get that choice. Sounds a lot more like Stockholm syndrome honestly.
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Nov 8, 2015 22:18
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One of the things I like about this comic is that the characters, their motivations, and their actions possess some degree of nuance and detail and not everything must be Good versus Evil. I'm not sure why one would be so insistent on shoving everybody into those boxes when the alternative creates a far more rich and engrossing story.
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Nov 8, 2015 22:25
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Lowen posted:and for my closing argument, http://gunnerkrigg.com/?p=995 well, I'm convinced.
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Nov 8, 2015 22:57
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you were warned posted:I laughed so hard when I saw today's page... Maybe we've been reading into this all wrong and Tea-san actually scrapped the entire chapter and went with this after reading the post.
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Nov 8, 2015 22:58
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Lowen posted:and for my closing argument, http://gunnerkrigg.com/?p=995
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Nov 9, 2015 00:43
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Splicer posted:Yes but what about the socioeconomic implications. http://gunnerkrigg.com/?p=995
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welp, i'm convinced
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Splicer posted:Yes but what about the socioeconomic implications. I would like to get a Marxist analysis of the relationship between Antimony and Renard
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