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Hav posted:Perhaps you'd like to express your feelings on scope creep, or the overall plan/road map? I don't want to look like I'm spamming the thread, so please forgive me if I'm answering a lot. One of our datacenters went down and I cannot do much work :/ - I did not join in during the kickstarter because I felt the game as too small for what I was looking for. The original investment pitch was along the lines of Earth and Beyond/Freelancer ++ You can imagine that my response to creep is  because a deep sim is the kind of thing I'm interested in. I totally get why people who saw the original Wing Commander + small MMO idea and wanted that game and not what SC has become.quote:What number are they aiming for? Bearing in mind that we already have models for this kind of thing. 'Whatever they can get' but I suspect the realistic number is 50 per server instance which is what they've given as a basic goal. 50-100 is what they're hoping to get when this finishes. I think it'll start very low. Also, yes, shifting sands. It happens all the time for better (FarCry 3) and for worse (DNF). I'm not convinced it will either fail or succeed, but I am hopeful that something called Star Citizen, the MMO, will come out. It's the kind of game I've wanted to play since I was younger (see giant wall o text earlier D: )
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"We leapfrogged ahead of ourselves which is why we are very late." "It hasn't been released yet because it's too finished".
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Yeah, I saw that, but it's pretty much thirty words amounting to nothing. Meat and potatoes? Leapfrogged? Still happening? 
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Yeah, I saw that, but it's pretty much thirty words amounting to nothing. Meat and potatoes? Leapfrogged? Still happening? Ben with the food analogy
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Loiosh posted:I don't want to look like I'm spamming the thread, so please forgive me if I'm answering a lot. One of our datacenters went down and I cannot do much work :/ - I did not join in during the kickstarter because I felt the game as too small for what I was looking for. The original investment pitch was along the lines of Earth and Beyond/Freelancer ++ You can imagine that my response to creep is you arent spamming the thread. its good high quality stuff.
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Valatar posted:Check your credit cards. They did a 'Well golly, we can only give back about half of the amount because we see you've already had a partial refund' thing to me, at which point I (politely) wrote back to correct them and list the exact pledge I'd made. They then paypalled the remainder. Which left me sitting there for a bit wondering where the gently caress the first part of my money was. Then I reread the initial refund mail and saw that they were doing a chargeback instead of a paypal, logged into my credit card site, and found the first part of the refund sitting in there. Not even with the same bank anymore. I did everything through paypal, so there's no way (that I know of) that the actual card/bank has been exposed to them in any way.
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fuctifino posted:"We leapfrogged ahead of ourselves which is why we are very late." "We've always been at war with Eastasia."
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MrDorf posted:A full month after the "Refund granted!" email has ended with my CIG account closed and no refund issued, so I'm trying the Paypay chargeback route now. Unfortunately the charges were from mid-2013, so I have a feeling time is going to work against me here. That seems like a rather new development. Anecdotally, refunds seem to have been actioned without much difficulty (though usually with a lot of shoe dragging...) Two data points aren't a trend, but I do wonder if CIG's former "are you sure you wanna-- really, are you sure?-- oh well okay we'll do it but was there any article in particular that prompted this request?" policy is being modified. Or if one is finally being codified. I do think the date of your backing actually helps your case, not harms it. You've been waiting a long time, deadlines have been missed, creep has scooped, and all the rest. Seems like you have more right to claim "this isn't what I backed and I want out" than someone who backed more recently. You might have to pull an Ortwin and threaten legal, but in your case, they'd blink before going to court over it. That's NOT a story they want to see catch fire in the gaming press...
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Why do you think the denizens of this forum spend over 300k on SC (before refunds). Because a lot of people would like to see a game with a huge depth. I mean it's the kind of game Derek Smart has build in several iterations. Just that he went with (for the time) low visual fidelity. Which is unsuprising, since a small team of ~ a dozen can't produce a lot of art. Different opinions are welcome here. Especially if they're well written. That's at least my opinion. Though I dare say that there is some smoke around CIG and that might be due to a fire.
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Kakarot posted:whats the difference between REC and UEC currency on the website? UEC costs real dollars and REC is what you get for playing Arena Commander, right? I think you can only 'rent' gear with REC whereas if you spend UEC you get it forever.
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Kakarot posted:whats the difference between REC and UEC currency on the website? REC is just rental currency and is earned in AC and used to rent ships and equipment to be used in AC. Basically it was CIG's way of giving its backers the middle finger and telling them they can't earn anything.
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How the gently caress could anyone see the shady poo poo CIG is doing wrt refunds and think "yeah, I can trust these people" I can understand rough game development and all that stuff at least a little, but how the gently caress do you gently caress up refunds?
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1500 posted:REC is just rental currency and is earned in AC and used to rent ships and equipment to be used in AC. Basically it was CIG's way of giving its backers the middle finger and telling them they can't earn anything. As soon as people can earn UEC ingame, their JPEG sales will plumment. Especially once a real economy is working.
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Loiosh posted:I don't want to look like I'm spamming the thread, so please forgive me if I'm answering a lot. One of our datacenters went down and I cannot do much work :/ - I did not join in during the kickstarter because I felt the game as too small for what I was looking for. The original investment pitch was along the lines of Earth and Beyond/Freelancer ++ You can imagine that my response to creep is This is where I was. Giving to the original pitch for Squadron 42 was a hail mary willingness to throw $35 on something that may not happen, and remains the only reason why I won't ask for a refund. I *already* considered it dead money the second I forked it over. it was the creeping feature list that convinced me that they didn't have a solid plan going in. You don't start with a rowing boat and accrete to an ocean liner. And if you want deep sim, check out Rogue System (http://imagespaceinc.com/rogsys) - He's attempting to build the Falcon 4 of space sims and has a very solid development plan. He didn't succeed on kickstarter because it's a niche, but a niche that SC appears to be moving towards if the ship UIs are anything to judge by. I think you're optimistic, personally. I'd like to actually play the game, but what I've been presented has actually been a very, very bad showing. edit: LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:How the gently caress could anyone see the shady poo poo CIG is doing wrt refunds and think "yeah, I can trust these people" Not having ready liquidity. Needing to find a way to alter the perception of mass refunds to other VC. Sandi. They certainly don't want a big blob of dissatisfaction chilling sales of upcoming soon to be released ships. Hav fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Nov 9, 2015 |
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Incombibulator posted:
What's the price?
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Incombibulator posted:
lol a machine is going spit these out at the rate of probably a 100 a minute and at a cost of like 10 cents to CIG. They just know the low stock trick works on citizens every drat time.
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Incombibulator posted:
jpegs and plastic cards are very rare commodities indeed. This shortage is in no way meant to drive up the price.
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spacetoaster posted:What's the price? $10 I believe. 7.5 quids.
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Wafflz posted:And now I have serious posted in the Star citizen thread  Wow, fake exclusive credit cards that are somehow ~~limited~~  PAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRP
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Hav posted:This is where I was. Giving to the original pitch for Squadron 42 was a hail mary willingness to throw $35 on something that may not happen, and remains the only reason why I won't ask for a refund. I *already* considered it dead money the second I forked it over. it was the creeping feature list that convinced me that they didn't have a solid plan going in. Rogue System looks like a neat idea, I love the complexity, but I hope he addresses the technological progress. Basically, being able to do a difficult manual landing is cool, but lacking an autodocking mechanism is a bit silly. I like the compromise E:D made in this regard (autodoc computer), and I hope he'll do the same. I haven't seen any combat yet. One that I've been very interested in is Enemy Starfighter: http://enemystarfighter.com/videos/ Best feature? It takes a realistic look at the future, pilots remote in to control drone ships and you, as the player, can shift in and out of different ships while giving RTS-like orders to the fleet (and it's multiplayer!)
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Incombibulator posted:
Holy poo poo they can't even print things without loving it up - what did they do? Build a new loving office complex to house their own printing machines and some how still gently caress it up that they can't cope with printing a few thousand copies of something? How many hundred thousand of what are basically laminated business cards would they have to loving order to overwhelm a printing facility? gently caress off that's too dumb.
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Chalks posted:Holy poo poo they can't even print things without loving it up - what did they do? Build a new loving office complex to house their own printing machines and some how still gently caress it up that they can't cope with printing a few thousand copies of something? How many hundred thousand of what are basically laminated business cards would they have to loving order to overwhelm a printing facility? gently caress off that's too dumb. When you are preaching to the whale pond why not go with what works? Create an artificial sense of scarcity and watch the  roll in.
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Loiosh posted:...Ilfonic did shoddy work... Are you sure Ilfonic delivered bad work? Some people seem to favour the idea that Illfonic delivered an FPS module that Croberts was unable to implement into his game because in a move of retardedness he switched to 64 bit whatchamacallit after handing off the work to Illfonic. Which others claim is why they are keeping so quiet about the reason. Because Croberts done hosed up by making the module incompatible on his side. I know nothing about developing but this is what I read.
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These cards have literally zero function, right? Like the rest of the pledge rewards?
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dyzzy posted:These cards have literally zero function, right? Like the rest of the pledge rewards? I think it's used to cut cocaine into lines.
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Nuclearmonkee posted:When you are preaching to the whale pond why not go with what works? Create an artificial sense of scarcity and watch the It's meant to be a limited thing for their elite backer group though right? How many of them can there possibly be? 2000? Who's falling for the idea that these overpriced toy credit cards are some how so complex to make that they couldn't poo poo out 2000 of them in a few days!? I bet they think banks print these things in their millions using fairy dust or something, no way CIG could summon such powerful black magic to produce a few thousand clearly! I love that it just looks like complete incompetence that CIG couldn't work out how many people would want these when they know the number of concierge backers and some how organise for their contractor to be able to supply up to that many cards. I mean holy poo poo. "Hey guys we're offering special cards to 2000 people, how many can you produce?" "Gee I dunno maybe 100?" "Ok sure this sounds fine" Chalks fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Nov 9, 2015 |
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Hopper posted:Are you sure Ilfonic delivered bad work? Some people seem to favour the idea that Illfonic delivered an FPS module that Croberts was unable to implement into his game because in a move of retardedness he switched to 64 bit whatchamacallit after handing off the work to Illfonic. I have no inside information, so that's me reading between the lines. I could be entirely off-base and what you said above could be the reason.
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Atheist Sunglasses posted:Um, I just watched this for the first time and...it sort of looked cool Yeah it does- very much a game I'd like to play, if somewhat incomplete. I've never been turned off by the scope and the mechanics do seem possible for a focused group to deliver. What's turned me off to the whole project is the back-and-forth project management, the promised/missed dates, the completely incompetent community management, and the truly greedy sales tactics. It's easy to forget that there's a genuinely interesting tech piece behind all of that.
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dyzzy posted:These cards have literally zero function, right? Like the rest of the pledge rewards? They're depleted mo-cap studio fuel.
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dyzzy posted:These cards have literally zero function, right? Like the rest of the pledge rewards? CIG WEBSITE posted:Whether you’re flaunting high fashion on the runways of Prime, Terra or cozying up with a bottle of 2733 vintage behind the velvet rope at the Goss’ Million Mile High Club, the Concierge Black Card has your back. Showcase your involvement in making Star Citizen’s crowdfunding a success with this limited edition, wallet-sized metal card. The Concierge Black Card, available exclusively to high-level backers, is more than just a token of your dedication to the game: it will provide VIP access to future pop-up events and meetings. Don’t leave your hangar without it!
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Illfonic is making this- I doubt it was their fault http://www.ign.com/videos/2015/10/13/friday-the-13th-official-announcement-trailer
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Incombibulator posted:
I'm sorry someone please explain this to me in a way that doesn't mean CIG's suppler couldn't work out how to print enough cards in 4 months because that is completely impossible to believe.
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Nuclearmonkee posted:When you are preaching to the whale pond why not go with what works? Create an artificial sense of scarcity and watch the I'm ready for a limited edition UEE Marine Helmet!  G0RF fucked around with this message at 10:32 on Jul 20, 2016 |
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