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Having just checked the version in the film, I think you're right about that line in particular. I also think Natalie Portman's performance comes off better in the unaltered lines in that trailer. Which makes it kind of unfortunate that a clever turn in the narrative depends on neutralizing her delivery in a lot of her scenes.
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Zoran posted:Having just checked the version in the film, I think you're right about that line in particular. Doubly so considering wooden acting is one of the complaints about that movie.
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Nov 13, 2015 03:29
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Mahoning posted:Doubly so considering wooden acting is one of the complaints about that movie. I guess it just came down to a choice between telling the story he wanted and getting a stronger performance from his actors. Whatever you think of George, I think we can all agree that he'd choose the first option every time.
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Nov 13, 2015 03:35
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Zoran posted:I guess it just came down to a choice between telling the story he wanted and getting a stronger performance from his actors. Whatever you think of George, I think we can all agree that he'd choose the first option every time. This is a very concise summary of the issue. Maybe even replace "telling the story he wanted" with "making the movie he envisioned" since he is so visual/impressionistic.
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Nov 13, 2015 03:50
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Corek posted:Focus Group Guy: [after showing the kids some Itchy & Scratchy cartoons] Okay, how many of the kids would like Itchy & Scratchy to deal with real life problems like the ones you face every day? To be fair, this describes like half of modern cartoons.
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Mahoning posted:I think one of the main mistakes of TPM is not having Padme be the protagonist. She's the one who has outside forces thrust upon her at the start of the film and must go on a (literal and metaphorical) journey to save her people. And yet somehow Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are the ones we follow despite really having nothing at stake for them. But she is the protagonist. She's the emotional center of the film. She gets a number of scenes on Coruscant focused entirely on her choices and her interactions with the main villain of the series. The final battle is made to showcase her leadership. She just takes a backseat in Act 2 while reluctantly letting Qui-Gon take charge. (And her arguments with Qui-Gon throughout are hilarious when you know that Qui-Gon sees through her disguise.) However, I do think her centrality doesn't show through because of the Padme/Amidala duality. We don't intuitively connect all of Padme's scenes together.
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Nov 13, 2015 04:14
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porfiria posted:To be fair, this describes like half of modern cartoons. Modern cartoons are good.
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Nov 13, 2015 04:19
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Bongo Bill posted:Modern cartoons are good. They're better than the crap they were putting out last millennium that's for sure.
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Nov 13, 2015 04:22
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Zoran posted:But she is the protagonist. She's the emotional center of the film. She gets a number of scenes on Coruscant focused entirely on her choices and her interactions with the main villain of the series. The final battle is made to showcase her leadership. She just takes a backseat in Act 2 while reluctantly letting Qui-Gon take charge. (And her arguments with Qui-Gon throughout are hilarious when you know that Qui-Gon sees through her disguise.) I mean, I agree with you. But the fact that one of the biggest complaints about it is that there is no protagonist, I'd say it was executed poorly. There are very few scenes when we get to empathize with her to the point where there's an emotional payoff when she and her merry men triumph. Again, she's the only one that had anything at stake (Jar Jar too I guess) and we don't get any of the emotion of her having saved her planet.
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Nov 13, 2015 04:24
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Corek posted:Focus Group Guy: [after showing the kids some Itchy & Scratchy cartoons] Okay, how many of the kids would like Itchy & Scratchy to deal with real life problems like the ones you face every day? anime? 
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Nov 13, 2015 04:25
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Any of you catch the new TV trailer on ABC a few minutes ago? Lots of new stuff shown.
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Mahoning posted:I mean, I agree with you. But the fact that one of the biggest complaints about it is that there is no protagonist, I'd say it was executed poorly. There are very few scenes when we get to empathize with her to the point where there's an emotional payoff when she and her merry men triumph. Yeah, we agree. I'm torn about whether separating Padme-as-Queen and Padme-as-Handmaiden hurts the film. It makes it a lot harder for us as audience members to connect with her, but I love the deception and the reveal because it's a really cool way to cast almost all the principal characters (and some of the bit parts, like Panaka) in a new light.
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Nov 13, 2015 04:35
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MrBigglesworth posted:Any of you catch the new TV trailer on ABC a few minutes ago? Lots of new stuff shown. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27TiaemuExo&feature=youtu.be starts at 0:26
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Wow, more good stuff. It's not spoilers to talk about a freaking commercial, is it? Anyway... Ackbar sighting. Han with blaster out. Biggest surprise for me: Finn fighting a 1st Order stormtrooper with the lightsaber. The trooper appears to be using something similar to what the Magna guard droids in RotS were using.
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Race Realists posted:anime? If you add Milhouse's line, then it pretty aptly describes Metal Gear. So yes.
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:
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That Padme and The Queen are entirely different characters is the point. It's the same reason that Anakin and Vader are completely different (with different voices and so-on). With Amidala, The Queen is absolutely not a protagonist (she's introduced as just this talking head on a screen) - but you can make a strong case for Padme the handmaiden. Her arc in the film is to rise up and dethrone The Queen - literally telling The Queen that she's not in charge anymore. Padme takes over and becomes Queen Padme. Lucas is deliberately using multiple actresses to portray a single character - and this includes the woman killed by the bomb at the start of Ep.2. That woman is The Queen - the same character we saw in Phantom Menace. This woman's death signals the completion of Amidala's transition from being Queen Padme to being Senator Padme.
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Viller posted:theres figurines out with the baton and shield out already. I saw the shield with the figure, didn't look close enough to catch the staff.
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Animax posted:I will watch this, but my expectations is gonna be low. I love being pleasantly surprised watching movies i believe will fail to entertain me. This worked marvelously for me with The Matrix and The Mummy. Especially The Mummy; I was pretty much dragged to it and expected it to be just a regular lame old horror-ish type movie, so when I suddenly realized it wasn't taking itself seriously at all, I had a blast.
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Kylo's "Nothing will stand in our way" sounded a bit better in this teaser. Sounded really stiff in the trailer.
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iSheep posted:Kylo's "Nothing will stand in our way" sounded a bit better in this teaser. His voice kinda breaks up on the 2nd line too, was already ok with it but its even better now. edit: I think that second line might be Serkis. Viller fucked around with this message at 08:08 on Nov 13, 2015 |
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Zoran posted:I guess it just came down to a choice between telling the story he wanted and getting a stronger performance from his actors. Whatever you think of George, I think we can all agree that he'd choose the first option every time. In his own words, that's basically it: George Lucas posted:I said right from the beginning that I was looking for a voice for Darth Vader. I went through a lot of different tapes of people, including Orson Welles. But then I landed on James Earl Jones, because he's a superb actor. And I was so worried at that point, because it's minimalist acting in a mask: He doesn't get a huge range of stuff to deal with. I was looking for him to pull a realistic performance out of this constrained reality I had created and really grab the audience. It's one of these horrible acting exercises – sometimes directors put themselves in a corner, and it's thankless for the actor. Really the popular characterization of Lucas that's the most unfair is the idea that he was totally lacking in self-awareness about the potentially alienating nature of his films' idiosyncrasies. It was actually pretty good-natured of him to go out there giving interviews basically saying, "I'm the one making these decisions, not the actors, so don't blame them."
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Stormtroopers armed with vibroblades to parry lightsaber attacks? The First Order is already 20 times smarter than it's predecessor.
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Well, to be fair all the Jedi were wiped out and there was no need to mass produce lightsaber defenses for even just one dude who could potentially show up with a lightsaber.
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Proposition Joe posted:Well, to be fair all the Jedi were wiped out and there was no need to mass produce lightsaber defenses for even just one dude who could potentially show up with a lightsaber. I bet the separatists got some hilarious Jedi kills in, but I also imagine it only takes a few of those before the space wizards start getting wise to weird poo poo.
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Proposition Joe posted:Well, to be fair all the Jedi were wiped out and there was no need to mass produce lightsaber defenses for even just one dude who could potentially show up with a lightsaber. True, but it would've been a decent weapon for Stormtroopers hunting down remnant Jedi after Order 66.
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Shooting them a lot seemed to work in the prequels.
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drat, I could have sworn there were more Jedi than the 10,000 the internet says there were prior to Order 66. Huh.
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Gonz posted:Stormtroopers armed with vibroblades to parry lightsaber attacks? The First Order is already 20 times smarter than it's predecessor. Wait. What? Why is this supposed to be effective? Vibroblades should be about as lightsaber resistant as a heavy metallic catwalk. Is the fact that it vibrates supposed to mean the small hunk of metal can resist energy better?
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The existence of vibroblade-armed Stormtroopers in Episode VII might be something given to special forces for a variety of uses, because yeah, now that I think about it, it'd definitely be silly for them to be proliferated everywhere to defend against a weapon that no longer exists.
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Ugato posted:Wait. What? Why is this supposed to be effective? Vibroblades should be about as lightsaber resistant as a heavy metallic catwalk. Is the fact that it vibrates supposed to mean the small hunk of metal can resist energy better? quote:A vibroblade resembled a short sword with a high-tech look and feel and consisted of the same basic design as other vibroweapons: the weapon's hilt or handle usually contained a compact ultrasonic vibration generator, causing the blade to vibrate at an incredible speed, making even the slightest glancing blow become a gaping wound. Vibroblades were dangerous to use against electrical weapons, as they conducted electricity. Electrocution, however, would be the wielder's last concern. Traveling up the length of the blade, the electricity would connect with a vibroblade's energy cell and ultrasonic vibration generator. The result would be a miniature explosion with enough force to take off a hand.
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computer parts posted:It's not even that, or at least that's only a side effect. sounds like the mcu to me
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Gonz posted:drat, I could have sworn there were more Jedi than the 10,000 the internet says there were prior to Order 66. Huh. At least 100 of those were secret apprentices of Darth Vader though
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The way Star Wars fans are described in this thread makes me think that they give off a magnificent light when you burn them, on account of all the straw they are made of.
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Grendels Dad posted:The way Star Wars fans are described in this thread makes me think that they give off a magnificent light when you burn them Maybe you're thinking of Force Sensitive Trees? I'm sure they light up real nice when you burn them. Ha ha just kidding, I made that up No wait I didn't http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force-sensitive_tree
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But any weapon that can parry lightsabers is still gonna be useless unless you have the superhuman fencing skills to actually duel with a Jedi Knight. A trained Jedi Knight, not a complete novice like Finn.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Maybe you're thinking of Force Sensitive Trees? I'm sure they light up real nice when you burn them. Great, not only does every background character get their own back story, we are down to the shrubbery now.
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Grendels Dad posted:Great, not only does every background character get their own back story, we are down to the shrubbery now. Note that the Force Sensitive Tree is from the Clone Wars cartoon (and Poe Dameron's family backstory) so that's not some random EU bullshit from an obscure old novel, that's part of the current canon.
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