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Wise Learned Man
Apr 22, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Lipstick Apathy

Octopode posted:

The systems present in 2.0 represent a much larger chunk of the required systems implementation for the project than the art it includes does for the required art completion of the project, but that fact doesn't make completing that code any faster. Sorry, I don't know how to explain the point any better.

:gary:

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Loiosh
Jul 25, 2010

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

It reads as a loving horrible Star Trek ripoff

Gorn

Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

It reads as a loving horrible Star Trek ripoff

I don't know if you've heard about this Chris Roberts guy…

Octopode
Sep 2, 2009

No. I work here. I manage operations for this and integration for this, while making sure that their stuff keeps working in here.

TTerrible posted:

Seriouspost, are you actually of the opinion that the programming side of the project is closer to completion than the art? Even though, by your own admission, they have hardly any programmers?

Much closer, but I mean specifically only that the programming side is closer to being done relative to the art--not that it is close to being done in and of itself--they still have a lot of work to do on the programming side; they just have a much, much larger amount of work left to do on the art side.

Vire
Nov 4, 2005

Like a Bosh

Octopode posted:

Much closer, but I mean specifically only that the programming side is closer to being done relative to the art--not that it is close to being done in and of itself--they still have a lot of work to do on the programming side; they just have a much, much larger amount of work left to do on the art side.

I can agree with this only because i believe they are so far behind on the programming side of things the art team can't even start working on them yet so they are stuck making stuff like spaceships that don't work because even that is impossible to do ahead of the coders because they keep changing the flight models :gary:

OhDearGodNo
Jan 3, 2014

Octopode posted:

The systems present in 2.0 represent a much larger chunk of the required systems implementation for the project than the art it includes does for the required art completion of the project, but that fact doesn't make completing that code any faster. Sorry, I don't know how to explain the point any better.

Do you have a source or any of this? You continually vomit things as if they were fact and yet have zero experience not only with programming, but with CIG.

Please, source your post- because as far as I can tell you're making poo poo up as you go.

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!


In the interests of open development :lesnick: should post the X-rays to his Twitter.

cl_gibcount 9999
Aug 15, 2002

lol i don't think anyone at cig has even the foggiest of ideas about how close to completion the project is in any aspect

Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.

jaegerx posted:

In the interests of open development :lesnick: should post the X-rays to his Twitter.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.
So how far along on the multiple alien languages do you think they are?

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

OhDearGodNo posted:

Do you have a source or any of this? You continually vomit things as if they were fact and yet have zero experience not only with programming, but with CIG.

Please, source your post- because as far as I can tell you're making poo poo up as you go.

Octopode posted:

A rational comparison of the progress on the code side of things in the last three years versus the progress on the art side of things, compared to the amount of work left to do for each necessary to meet the stated goals for release. My rear end

tooterfish
Jul 13, 2013

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

So how far along on the multiple alien languages do you think they are?
Just a guess, but two weeks?

cl_gibcount 9999
Aug 15, 2002

artist: "ok got this claymore mine model done, slap another 1% on the completion ticker!"
croberts: "nope don't like it at all, redo everything"
*rips like 3 sheets off ticker*
*rolls them ujp to snort coke*

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

Octopode posted:

The systems present in 2.0 represent a much larger chunk of the required systems implementation for the project than the art it includes does for the required art completion of the project, but that fact doesn't make completing that code any faster. Sorry, I don't know how to explain the point any better.

You Are Forgiven, Citizen :911:

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

cl_gibcount 9999 posted:

artist: "ok got this claymore mine model done, slap another 1% on the completion ticker!"
croberts: "nope don't like it at all, redo everything"
*rips like 3 sheets off ticker*
*rolls them ujp to snort coke*
*adds another 1% to the completion ticker*

ftfy

Octopode
Sep 2, 2009

No. I work here. I manage operations for this and integration for this, while making sure that their stuff keeps working in here.

OhDearGodNo posted:

Do you have a source or any of this? You continually vomit things as if they were fact and yet have zero experience not only with programming, but with CIG.

Please, source your post- because as far as I can tell you're making poo poo up as you go.

Yep, zero programming experience. I mean, that's not demonstrably false just for my involvement in Star Citizen alone, let alone my professional life, or anything.

Edit: Have you figured out how to read API documentation yet?

Octopode fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Nov 15, 2015

EminusSleepus
Sep 28, 2015

OhDearGodNo posted:

Do you have a source or any of this? You continually vomit things as if they were fact and yet have zero experience not only with programming, but with CIG.

Please, source your post- because as far as I can tell you're making poo poo up as you go.

Believing what he said is like believing ISIS is good

The Marauder
Dec 1, 2013

Why walk out when you can outrun?

Wait when did this guy register here?

Everything really is doomed. :negative:

Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.

Octopode posted:

Yep, zero programming experience. I mean, that's not demonstrably false just for my involvement in Star Citizen alone, let alone my professional life, or anything.

Correct. Spouting unsourced and self-contradictory excuses for a failed project does does indeed not demonstrate anything false with such a claim. In rather lends further credence to it.

A Neurotic Jew
Feb 17, 2012

by exmarx

Octopode posted:

Yep, zero programming experience. I mean, that's not demonstrably false just for my involvement in Star Citizen alone, let alone my professional life, or anything.

what is your involvement with the computer game star citizen?

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

A Neurotic Jew posted:

what is your involvement with the computer game star citizen?

Do you expect a response in words or dollers

Octopode
Sep 2, 2009

No. I work here. I manage operations for this and integration for this, while making sure that their stuff keeps working in here.

A Neurotic Jew posted:

what is your involvement with the computer game star citizen?

I built the original brown sea avoidance mechanism years ago as a side project.

cl_gibcount 9999
Aug 15, 2002

A Neurotic Jew posted:

what is your involvement with the computer game star citizen?

legal consultant

Broccoli Cat
Mar 8, 2013

"so, am I right in understanding that you're a bigot or aficionado of racist humor?




STAR CITIZEN is for WHITES ONLY!




:lesnick:

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

So how far along on the multiple alien languages do you think they are?


why don't they just use klingon and jabba the hut language?

it's not like they're real loving languages

vietnamese sounds pretty hosed up too

Google Butt
Oct 4, 2005

Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

A Neurotic Jew posted:

what is your involvement with the computer game star citizen?

cheerleader

Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.

Broccoli Cat posted:

why don't they just use klingon and jabba the hut language?

it's not like they're real loving languages

vietnamese sounds pretty hosed up too

Äh, ta svenska. Det är ändå ett minimalt och allmänt oförståeligt språk som saknar all vett, sans och logisk struktur (särskilt i sitt uttal). Jag skulle föreslagit finska men det har ju redan blivit förvandlat till alvpråk för nästan hundra år sedan så det känns lite repetitivt.

Decrepus
May 21, 2008

In the end, his dominion did not touch a single poster.


Shimrra Jamaane posted:

So how far along on the multiple alien languages do you think they are?

EminusSleepus
Sep 28, 2015

Broccoli Cat posted:

why don't they just use klingon and jabba the hut language?

it's not like they're real loving languages

vietnamese sounds pretty hosed up too

Siamese(Thailand) language has a lot of "Porn" word in it

I Greyhound
Apr 22, 2008

MusicKrew Dawn Patrol
When's the last time we've had an update on Ben Lesnicks cargo stacking minigame?

Octopode posted:

Yep, zero programming experience. I mean, that's not demonstrably false just for my involvement in Star Citizen alone, let alone my professional life, or anything.

Edit: Have you figured out how to read API documentation yet?

Your involvement with Star Citizen is to spout stuff out your rear end and be proven wrong about anything project time line related, over and over.

Loiosh
Jul 25, 2010

Broccoli Cat posted:

why don't they just use klingon and jabba the hut language?

it's not like they're real loving languages

vietnamese sounds pretty hosed up too

Both of those were work-for-hire languages (Klingon in particular, The Hutt language I don't know about). That means Klingon is actually owned by Paramount and cannot be used without their permission. It's similar to Na'vi, which was designed for Avatar. You can do translations as fair-use, but using it in a product would require a license. (/random trivia)

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

Tippis posted:

Äh, ta svenska. Det är ändå ett minimalt och allmänt oförståeligt språk som saknar all vett, sans och logisk struktur (särskilt i sitt uttal). Jag skulle föreslagit finska men det har ju redan blivit förvandlat till alvpråk för nästan hundra år sedan så det känns lite repetitivt.

Jag gillar särskilt prosodin som är hopplös att lära sig som utrikesfödd. Som i anden - anden. Beroende på vilken stavelse man väljer att uttala med högre tonhöjd får ordet olika betydelse. Låter det som ett unikt exempel? Prova med meningen "jag äter inte godis". Någon av stavelserna kommer du att uttala med högre tonhöjd, och det förändrar helt innebörden i meningen.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

Octopode posted:

The wrist breakage didn't set them back three weeks; slowdown caused by it, combined with other bugs and issues probably did. People are arguing like this is the only guy doing anything and the whole process ground to a halt because of him; that's preposterous--all they said is that it caused them to work more slowly than they would otherwise, not that everything has stopped because of it.

The fact that one generic programmer (or maybe he was an AI specialist or something, doesn't really matter) breaking his wrists cost a $90+ million company 3 weeks on the timeline should be a giant red flashing light and loud as hell siren going off in your head to stay the gently caress away.

Conspiratiorist
Nov 12, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!

Rudager posted:

The fact that one generic programmer (or maybe he was an AI specialist or something, doesn't really matter) breaking his wrists cost a $90+ million company 3 weeks on the timeline should be a giant red flashing light and loud as hell siren going off in your head to stay the gently caress away.

At least they have programmers.

Much smaller scale but 1 million dollars and 2 years later without anyone to actually, you know, sit down and code the game is its own kind of amazing for something not a scam.

Maldoror
Oct 5, 2003

by R. Guyovich
Nap Ghost

it's a turtle

we don't want aliens, we want earth animals with human qualities so we have something to relate to.

i would prefer actual aliens that don't have any common point of reference to relate to; it's more interesting and probably closer to reality. like, aliens might have completely different senses, or "hear" or "see" different types of radiation than earth animals with completely different sensory organs.

Amun Khonsu
Sep 15, 2012

wtf did he just say?
Grimey Drawer
Uh Chris, I broke my wrist :fap:

OhDearGodNo
Jan 3, 2014

Octopode posted:

Yep, zero programming experience. I mean, that's not demonstrably false just for my involvement in Star Citizen alone, let alone my professional life, or anything.

Edit: Have you figured out how to read API documentation yet?

Nice dodge.

Again, you are posting bullshit as fact such as how many resources CIG has, how many are allocated to what task, and where they are in progress beyond what's been told to people.

You did a better job bullshitting about trade law.

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

So how far along on the multiple alien languages do you think they are?

ythe rea mostal teplecom

A Neurotic Jew
Feb 17, 2012

by exmarx

Octopode posted:

A rational comparison of the progress on the code side of things in the last three years versus the progress on the art side of things, compared to the amount of work left to do for each necessary to meet the stated goals for release.

The biggest problem with this, aside from the fact that you don't seem to have any evidence you can point towards, is that you've already agreed that trying to build a "persistent universe" out of different gameplay models can cause additional unforeseen problems that no one can account for. You can make up a schedule that points towards the programming time being shorter than the time it takes to make assets, but it's all depending on this technical marvel somehow coming together even though there is no proof of concept whatsoever and no way to ensure how long the debugging will take.

You're basically taking the boilerplate CIG refrain "Things will move alot quicker once we have the framework in place" and adding that signature Octopode layer of technical jargon on top of it, but it isn't any more convincing.

Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

Jag gillar särskilt prosodin som är hopplös att lära sig som utrikesfödd. Som i anden - anden. Beroende på vilken stavelse man väljer att uttala med högre tonhöjd får ordet olika betydelse. Låter det som ett unikt exempel? Prova med meningen "jag äter inte godis". Någon av stavelserna kommer du att uttala med högre tonhöjd, och det förändrar helt innebörden i meningen.

It's a shame that the English wiki page doesn't contain any good examples, whereas the Swedish one does. I suppose it's hell of a lot easier to describe in a language that has it than in one that does not. :haw:

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Amun Khonsu
Sep 15, 2012

wtf did he just say?
Grimey Drawer

A Neurotic Jew posted:


You're basically taking the boilerplate CIG refrain "Things will move alot quicker once we have the framework in place" and adding that signature Octopode layer of technical jargon on top of it, but it isn't any more convincing.

Theyve been saying this for 3 yrs. At some point ppl have to tilt their heads and question wtf is going on with this "framework"

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