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Sexy Randal posted:This is a probably a really stupid question but I can't seem to figure it out. How do you know if a new series is going to be a miniseries or not?
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Nov 10, 2015 20:07
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Sexy Randal posted:This is a probably a really stupid question but I can't seem to figure it out. How do you know if a new series is going to be a miniseries or not?
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Nov 10, 2015 20:09
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Sometimes they lie about it, so there's that.
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Nov 10, 2015 20:11
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I thought that it sometimes had to do with sales. Some would initially be billed as an ongoing or left vague about its status, and if sales are low or whatnot they will just give a definite end issue and call it a mini.
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Nov 10, 2015 20:26
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Yup. I've definitely seen "Of 5" suddenly appear under the issue number of supposed ongoings.
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Nov 10, 2015 20:27
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A funny example of miniseries number fuckery is the old Punisher mini, Circle of Blood. Because of a series of miscommunications the issue count kept changing on the cover, switching between five and six issues almost every issue.
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Nov 10, 2015 21:45
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Wasn't there a comic (GI Joe or Transformers, I'm thinking) that was planned on being six issues, had "of 5" printed on the first couple, so the last issue came out as "6 of 5" as a joke? I wanna say it became an ongoing and eventually ended with something like "32 of 5" printed on the last cover.
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Nov 10, 2015 23:05
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Transformers started as a four part series and became an ongoing, last issue said 80 of a four part series.
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Nov 10, 2015 23:09
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Lurdiak posted:Yup. I've definitely seen "Of 5" suddenly appear under the issue number of supposed ongoings. My favorite thing about Neil Gaiman's Eternals mini was every issue had 1 of 6, 2 of 6, etc. until suddenly it was 6 of 7.
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Nov 11, 2015 09:14
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Secret Wars is doing the same, switching from 8 to 9 issues. To answer the OPs question, you're not going to know without checking really. Some series are launched as ongoing, but because of sales effectively turn into mini-series. Other ongoing series (particularly Image books) will be ongoing but with a defined end point. Others will just be launched as mini-series. The best thing to do is check the cover, check solicitations, or if you're still not sure just ask in the store (or Google if you're not buying digitally). Marvel are usually quite good at labeling their series as mini-series if they are launched as such.
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Nov 11, 2015 11:01
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Lurdiak posted:Yup. I've definitely seen "Of 5" suddenly appear under the issue number of supposed ongoings. I think this happened to Doctor Voodoo.
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Nov 11, 2015 12:39
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Nonplayer is the most limited series.
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Nov 11, 2015 13:54
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What exactly happened in the last issue of Hellblazer Vertigo? Okay so Constantine used magic to die and revive or fake death or something to trick the Fates and he delivered his wife's bastard father to Satan and at the end he suddenly decided the trick wouldn't work so he tracked down his niece Gemma, who shot him with some kind of syringe dart and then...he disappeared and then ended up as an old man in a pub? This might have been the afterlife?
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Nov 14, 2015 10:49
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He died.
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Nov 14, 2015 10:54
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I'm pissed that the new runaways book ran 4 issues and ended.
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Nov 14, 2015 12:52
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I just read a comic where Alicia Masters sculpted a likeness of Dr. Doom and Diablo. Uh... she uses her hands to 'see', right? And these were full body sculptures. Does that mean...
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Nov 14, 2015 14:30
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Lurdiak posted:I just read a comic where Alicia Masters sculpted a likeness of Dr. Doom and Diablo. I going through Lee and Kirby's FF right now, and I don't think it has been explicitly stated thus far (I'm at #75) that she uses her hands to see for sculpting. It's even implied she doesn't need to; at one point, some evil scientist dudes kidnap her so she can sculpt the face of an artificial human they created but can't see. The human is inside a cocoon. Speaking of which, Stan Lee will spend hundreds of words talking about the Torch's flaming body, and Reed's pliable body, and Sue's invisible force fields, but he never, ever refers to the Thing as having a rock body. Characters and the narrator will often comment on his ugliness, but never anything stone-related, not even when he falls in the water (he falls very often in the water). Does this mean the Thing's body is theoretically not made of rock, but only suffers from a bizarre skin condition? There are many mentions of his bulging muscles, which only makes sense if he's got some sort of flesh, and not rocks.
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Nov 14, 2015 15:14
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As far as I can tell, he was just supposed to be unspecifically lumpy and deformed at first. The Orange Bricks look came later. John Byrne tried to explain this as some evolving mutation, because he loves pulling things out of his rear end and acting like that's the one true way it always was.
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Nov 14, 2015 15:21
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kizudarake posted:I'm pissed that the new runaways book ran 4 issues and ended. You mean the four issue miniseries that was done for Secret Wars? It wasn't supposed to be an ongoing.
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Nov 14, 2015 15:29
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The Byrneinator was a fussy continuity cop on a level that makes a hypothetical Voltron of Roy Thomas, Geoff Johns, and Dan Slott look like an easy-going Jeph Loeb.
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Nov 14, 2015 15:30
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It wouldn't be so bad if he didn't just make weird things up and get things wrong along with his "explanations"
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Nov 14, 2015 15:44
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Lurdiak posted:As far as I can tell, he was just supposed to be unspecifically lumpy and deformed at first. The Orange Bricks look came later. John Byrne tried to explain this as some evolving mutation, because he loves pulling things out of his rear end and acting like that's the one true way it always was. The legend goes that it was one of Kirby's inkers that made him look that way. I don't know if it was an artistic choice, or a happy accident.
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Nov 14, 2015 18:48
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Die Laughing posted:The legend goes that it was one of Kirby's inkers that made him look that way. I don't know if it was an artistic choice, or a happy accident. I can see that. His appearance in the spectrum between lumpy and rocky is definitely determined by who's inking any given issue. George Bell in issue 21 is the first guy to draw the Thing with jagged edges, as far as I can tell.
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Nov 14, 2015 19:14
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I think the original idea was that it would super-tough hide, like that of an elephant or a rhinoceros, but the rocks were easier to draw quickly? (Not sure about the second part, pretty confident on the first.)
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Nov 14, 2015 19:32
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Lurdiak posted:It wouldn't be so bad if he didn't just make weird things up and get things wrong along with his "explanations" My big problem with Byrne's continuity cop tendencies is how he sees himself as the one true arbiter of it. When he gets his hands on something, he tends to reset it to the original status quo or as you pointed out, what he perceives to be the original status quo. Sandman can't be the reformed drinking buddy of the Thing because Lee and Ditko had him as a villain, so he has to have been faking it all along in a way that would make Vince McMahon blush. The Morrison poo poo got away from the Drake/Premiani Doom Patrol, even though it was a logical next step for what they were doing, and even though Arnold Drake said he liked Morrison's comics, so that has to go. The modern Etrigan was probably more influenced by his appearances in Swamp Thing than the original Kirby comics, so that has to be cut away too. He's quite petulant about characters changing over time, unless he's involved. His She-Hulk is way different from the Lee/Buscema version but that's just how the narrative evolves! When other people do that, it's because they're decadent hacks who want to make superhero comics unfriendly for children. His posting on his forum is basically a 15 year tantrum about how if only Marvel and DC let him run the joint, things would be COOKING! Lightning Lord fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Nov 14, 2015 |
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Nov 14, 2015 20:38
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Lightning Lord posted:His She-Hulk is way different from the Lee/Buscema version but that's just how the narrative evolves! Yeah, but also way better.
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Nov 15, 2015 00:06
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Dr. Hurt posted:You mean the four issue miniseries that was done for Secret Wars? It wasn't supposed to be an ongoing. I mean, they printed it as a miniseries, but it was supposed to be an ongoing.
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Nov 15, 2015 03:56
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Unmature posted:Yeah, but also way better. Well, I'm not arguing otherwise, I'm just saying Byrne is a pretty big hypocrite. When he massively changes the concept behind a superhero, it's fun and games but when that other guy does it, it's decadent and making GBS threads on what that character's supposed to be! Time to get back to basics, or at least his personal perception of basics!
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Nov 15, 2015 05:20
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kizudarake posted:I mean, they printed it as a miniseries, but it was supposed to be an ongoing. According to whom?
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Nov 15, 2015 05:31
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kizudarake posted:I mean, they printed it as a miniseries, but it was supposed to be an ongoing. All of the Secret Wars tie-ins were meant as minis.
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Nov 15, 2015 06:05
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Endless Mike posted:According to whom? I'm using 'supposed to be' in the sense that 'in a just world, we would have an ongoing Runaways book instead of a 4 issue mini.' Jesus Christ.
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Nov 15, 2015 07:11
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kizudarake posted:I'm using 'supposed to be' in the sense that 'in a just world, we would have an ongoing Runaways book instead of a 4 issue mini.' Jesus Christ. So, according to you, then.
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Nov 15, 2015 08:43
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How was Runaways? Almost every single Secret Wars tie-in looked great and I have a finite amount of money so that one fell through the cracks
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Nov 15, 2015 09:06
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Cyphoderus posted:I going through Lee and Kirby's FF right now, and I don't think it has been explicitly stated thus far (I'm at #75) that she uses her hands to see for sculpting. It's even implied she doesn't need to; at one point, some evil scientist dudes kidnap her so she can sculpt the face of an artificial human they created but can't see. The human is inside a cocoon.  This panel happened a page after showing a studio full of statues of various heroes and villains, including Namor in his tiny swim trunks. I guess they just don't think about it.
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Nov 15, 2015 09:15
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Skwirl posted:How was Runaways? Almost every single Secret Wars tie-in looked great and I have a finite amount of money so that one fell through the cracks A group of students from a Doom-controlled training camp/education facility find out their "expelled" classmates are being permanently "expelled" and, ... run away. It's a good setup for a series, but if you're specifically looking for more Chase or Nico or Gert, it'll be less satisfying than even Avengers Arena. For whatever reason, alt-universe Runaways stories tend to bring in more concepts from X-Men student books and Young Avengers than from their actual namesake.
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Nov 15, 2015 12:13
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Runaways was good more because Noelle Stevenson has a much better feel for the teenager/school class dynamic than the average comic writer than because of any strong ties to the actual Runaways book. I wish she could've kept it going, or gotten a chance to write a similar ongoing.
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Nov 15, 2015 14:21
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It did a good job of capturing the feel of the original without featuring much from it besides Molly and Leapfrog. It also had one of the better depictions of Val as both evil genius AND little kid I can recall.
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Nov 16, 2015 03:34
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:So, according to you, then. And a couple others in the thread. I actually started picking it up because the Wikipedia runaways page didn't list that it was a mini.
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Nov 16, 2015 07:23
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kizudarake posted:And a couple others in the thread. Every single Secret Wars tie in book was a mini series. Some were later announced to be getting a follow up book post SW but not a single one was ever said to be an ongoing.
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Nov 16, 2015 07:41
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The Goblin That Eats Clean-Line Pencillers Once Per Decade can only wake up if people get into too many internet slapfights about meaningless bullshit, so we should all just agree that one or more people made a mistake somewhere in this Runaways conversation, then drop the subject, like civilized adults. You already killed Mike Parobeck and Mike Wieringo, people. Don't kill again with this conversation.
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Nov 16, 2015 08:02
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