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LCL-Dead posted:Kraiklyn, after "talking to Patrick about my case" since I spent a few emails arguing with Patrick about his math. I remember it being Mac exclusive at one point, which led to a lot of shameful crowing on my part to my friends in school about how the best game ever was coming to Mac, and that never more would they laugh at me while playing the latest games on their PCs.
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Nov 16, 2015 15:56
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Erenthal posted:Yeah, I remember. As a Mac user back then, you were desperate for anything at all to play, and here Bungie promised us the world. No, according to Jason and Marty, Bungie was okay with funding, though they were a bit unstable at the time. It would require Myth II to be a success even after the recall (it was). The reason they joined to MS was that they wanted to work on the Xbox with a dedicated gaming company like Microsoft. I laugh at this now days, seeing what MS became (slashing both their internal game devs ACES and Ensemble Studios, and failing to support gaming on Windows beyond small DX12 team), but they didn't make those choices [edit: to cut features to make launch]. Bungie did as they wanted to hit launch on the Xbox.
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Nov 16, 2015 15:59
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Erenthal posted:I remember it being Mac exclusive at one point, which led to a lot of shameful crowing on my part to my friends in school about how the best game ever was coming to Mac, and that never more would they laugh at me while playing the latest games on their PCs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eZ2yvWl9nQ That's the unveiling of Halo at Macworld. At the time, Bungie was pretty much the premier developer for Mac games. I had the Marathon collection waaaaaay back in the day and the sheer number of mods, levels, and editors that were released for it was staggering. They were pretty difficult games at the time though, at least for a kid.
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Nov 16, 2015 16:03
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:how much are you in for? Also, since I get this a lot. The follow up to (you should donate that!) is here: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3748466&pagenumber=342&perpage=40#post452652637 And my feelings on support for SC here: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3748466&pagenumber=358&perpage=40#post452725205 Aka, don't fund it if you have any question. I believe people should totally make the best financial decisions for themselves, and I fully support not funding CIG/SC because of their issues with development (including those multiple mocap setup purchases and sales).
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Nov 16, 2015 16:05
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:how much are you in for? $1500 IIRC. He's apparently rich though so that makes it all ok.
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Nov 16, 2015 16:05
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To his credit, he actually can provide a logical train of arguments why he supports SC instead of spewing bile, fiddling kiddys or pretending to be his dad/sister/a German audtior at the same time.
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Nov 16, 2015 16:09
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LuiCypher posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eZ2yvWl9nQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN9vO_gRzoI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tqrfy4SR7I
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Nov 16, 2015 16:34
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The Macworld video is what got me going. That was the first live action sequence I was able to view and it looked promising as gently caress.
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Nov 16, 2015 16:38
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Nov 16, 2015 16:50
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LCL-Dead posted:The Macworld video is what got me going. That was the first live action sequence I was able to view and it looked promising as gently caress. I was so jealous of that (as a PC gamer). It looked incredible. I almost considered buying a Mac. Of course, what, a decade and a half later, here I am with an iPhone on a new MacBook Pro, happily using products from the company that was the mortal enemy of my childhood PC.
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Nov 16, 2015 16:51
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Loiosh posted:I was so jealous of that (as a PC gamer). It looked incredible. I almost considered buying a Mac. Citizen, consoles are the mortal enemies of PC gaming.
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Nov 16, 2015 16:58
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LCL-Dead posted:The Macworld video is what got me going. That was the first live action sequence I was able to view and it looked promising as gently caress. As a mac gamer (lol) at the time I was so pumped. Microsoft seriously hosed them in the butt on that one too bad it can't save the bone now
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Nov 16, 2015 17:01
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BMan posted:$1500 IIRC. He's apparently rich though so that makes it all ok. Not getting this. If I had $1500 to burn, I would absolutely feel free to burn it. Backing Star Citizen is not a question of morality, it's a question of stupidity. Also comedy.
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Nov 16, 2015 17:01
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Ha ha, I like this one. I think the exit animation playing and the shift to park make it absurd.
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Nov 16, 2015 17:04
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Not getting this. If I had $1500 to burn, I would absolutely feel free to burn it. Backing Star Citizen is not a question of morality, it's a question of stupidity. Yeah but if you're going to blow that sort of money foolishly why not buttchug an expensive single malt or something?
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Nov 16, 2015 17:59
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Berious posted:Yeah but if you're going to blow that sort of money foolishly why not buttchug an expensive single malt or something? I don't drink alcohol
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Nov 16, 2015 18:03
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Loiosh posted:I don't drink alcohol I'm sorry to hear that.
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Nov 16, 2015 18:04
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I'm sorry to hear that. Everyone seems to be. Both of my roommates are regular (medical) weed users as well and shake their heads at me. I was that one kid who abstinence-only education actually worked on. Until my 20s, basically. Thanks, Texas.
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Nov 16, 2015 18:07
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Loiosh posted:I don't drink alcohol why the spoilers  PAAARRRRPPPP
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Nov 16, 2015 18:08
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Loiosh posted:I don't drink alcohol You wouldn't be drinking it.
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Nov 16, 2015 18:28
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Loiosh posted:I don't drink alcohol Wait until it hits you that you threw $1500 into a shredder.
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Nov 16, 2015 18:29
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D_Smart posted:And since the FTC is the Fed agency in charge of that, not to mention that the attorney generals in various States are getting involved in crowd-funding scams, it's going to be a whole lot messier than the 38 Studios implosion. And even in that case, someone went to jail for fraud. Then there's the FBI who will somehow get involved. Especially given that several parties have now been linked to the likes of Gizmondo. Who do you think went to jail over 38 Studios' loan? There were depositions, but the only person jailed was Buddy Cianci over 'Plunder Dome', which was only peripherally connected. It was a terrible deal, but stopped short of actual fraud. Rhode Island brought a suit based on fraud and walked away with a settlement for $4.4 million. https://web.archive.org/web/20121119012618/http://www.riedc.com/files/Complaint-with-exhibit-final.pdf tl;dr - they tried to sue everyone and got virtually nowhere.
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Nov 16, 2015 18:30
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Loiosh posted:Everyone seems to be. Both of my roommates are regular (medical) weed users as well and shake their heads at me. I was that one kid who abstinence-only education actually worked on. Until my 20s, basically. Pfft. I'm in Texas and am here to tell you that abstinence never worked on me.
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Nov 16, 2015 18:32
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Loiosh posted:Everyone seems to be. Both of my roommates are regular (medical) weed users as well and shake their heads at me. I was that one kid who abstinence-only education actually worked on. Until my 20s, basically.
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Nov 16, 2015 18:32
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A Neurotic Jew posted:Wait until it hits you that you threw $1500 into a shredder. It's not that big a deal. Would be nothing like the $6,000 I spent on an ES 250, which turns out had a busted CV axle ($2,500 later), ... I wrecked it a week later. That was upsetting. When I bought my first LS, I got a lot more careful about driving. No more following behind people on the highway. By the time I upgraded, they had added automate cruise control (2003 UL LS430). That option made my life better.
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Nov 16, 2015 18:34
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I don't drink alcohol either. Thanks, Texas of the North.
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Nov 16, 2015 18:37
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I don't know what video is in my av and I don't care
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Nov 16, 2015 18:44
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Loiosh posted:
The difference is that in the case of Halo, Diablo, WoW, GTA, etc they *had* something, saw it wasn't fun (or what they wanted) and said "gently caress it, let's re-do, it's our money". In the case of SC they have nothing, it is not fun, and they said "gently caress it, let's re-do, it's their money".
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Nov 16, 2015 18:54
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Loiosh posted:It's not that big a deal. Would be nothing like the $6,000 I spent on an ES 250, which turns out had a busted CV axle ($2,500 later),
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Nov 16, 2015 18:58
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Loiosh posted:There are other games to do that in. It's a bit silly to complain about that for an alpha which does not even include a character selection/creation thing because.. they just finished delivering the necessary features to complete the major portions of the engine rework. All valid points. Some notes: 1) I don't just want to take credit just for saying they're building a different ("vision 1.0" v "vision 2.0"). I want to take credit for saying : - they don't have the tech to build "vision 2.0" - they need more money ($150m+) - they need more time ( 2-3 more yrs) - that the project was woefully mismanaged - that backer money was being wasted - that Chris & Sandi Roberts are habitual liars who have, at every opportunity, misled backers ...and pretty much every drat thing that has appeared in my blog and which has been substantiated in some form or another None of this was rocket science. People just weren't taking a look at the big picture. And even though some of these claims (e.g. the game will never get made, it has been blown out of scope etc) were already being made, they were drowned out by the numerous White Knights who did their best to push it all down. Until I came along. With a gas can, a match, and flame retardant knickers. quote:I'm still uncertain about the future of SC. If they cannot smooth out their content pipeline with the ship portions of the engine mostly complete. If they cannot make the FPS replacement work and fix the movement issues. If they cannot release SQ42 and source additional funding next year, they're sunk, as far as I'm concerned. But I feel that saying they've already failed because they rescoped the game 3 years ago, that they've redesigned the ships as the game engine has had features completed, is premature. awwww, that's cute. Optimism. Here's the thing, NONE of the above it going to happen. And even IF by the off-chance SQ42 does get released before it all collapses, it will be a buggy mess; not unlike every single piece of this project before it. I don't believe that they will get a bailout. Unless it's a fire sale. And if any of that happens, the project is going to get chopped up. And there is nothing that any backer can do about that. As I've said before, you would end up having blown $100m and getting a sub-par $10m "game". This "game" is never - ever - seeing the light of day with Chris, Sandi and Ortwin at the helm. Ever.
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Nov 16, 2015 18:58
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Loiosh posted:Answered here: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3748466&pagenumber=340&perpage=40#post452648847 Seriously, you're the most logical (and reasonable) backer of this project I have ever come across. Clearly you don't belong here. So please leave. Thanks.
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Nov 16, 2015 19:08
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trucutru posted:The difference is that in the case of Halo, Diablo, WoW, GTA, etc they *had* something, saw it wasn't fun (or what they wanted) and said "gently caress it, let's re-do, it's our money". In the case of SC they have nothing, it is not fun, and they said "gently caress it, let's re-do, it's their money". Also, they're not redoing it for any sensible reasons (e.g. “it's not fun” or “it's not working”) but because “The Lord And Saviour Disapproves”.
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Nov 16, 2015 19:09
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Hopper posted:To his credit, he actually can provide a logical train of arguments why he supports SC instead of spewing bile, fiddling kiddys or pretending to be his dad/sister/a German audtior at the same time. Absolutely. He hasn't made a single post - not one - about his support for the game, that wasn't reasonable in its entirety. I just think it's probably Karl's alt, trolling us again. I mean, look at this crap: Loiosh posted:There's no reason to. I have no interest in trying to convince people that they should support this or crowing with delight if it succeeds. My #1 stance with games is: Vote with your wallet. If you don't believe in something, get your refund. If you see a company doing wrong, make sure people know about it. The reason companies get away with doing shady poo poo is that people are too afraid to talk about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/3shr29/mods_in_rstarwarsbattlefront_accept_bribes_from/
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Nov 16, 2015 19:09
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It's Seraph84 trying to fool us by registering a new account 5 years in the past then being a reasonable human and good poster with it. Sneaky bastard.
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Nov 16, 2015 19:11
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I said come in! posted:lol you have sexual fantasies about this woman, don't you? Who doesn't.
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Nov 16, 2015 19:16
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trucutru posted:The difference is that in the case of Halo, Diablo, WoW, GTA, etc they *had* something, saw it wasn't fun (or what they wanted) and said "gently caress it, let's re-do, it's our money". In the case of SC they have nothing, it is not fun, and they said "gently caress it, let's re-do, it's their money". When you say had something, I'm curious what you mean. Let's pick Bungie as an example. They had a carefully scripted demo that was prerecorded and a third person engine. They demo'd that prerecorded video at MacWorld 1999. This is after they had already done a complete engine change from the Myth II RTS version of Halo. That third person game would have one more engine rewrite (though much smaller, they replaced the entire user control code, some of the movement and the rendering engine). But at that MacWorld 1999 stage, what they had, was a video and a buggy, feature-incomplete alpha. Now, why I'm bringing that up: Internally, CIG has something. They've demoed something on stage. There's even something that users can download, though more limited than what was shown on stage. So when you say, they had something, what is that something you are referring to, that CIG is lacking? If you're interested in my perspective on this. They lack a pedigree (obviously, new developer), edit: and they lack the majority of the MMO features that they promised. Almost all of the MMO portion is entirely unaccounted for. According to Derek Smart, they lack the systems to even make the AC 2.0 update that's been shown and the FPS portion [That correct, Derek? I'll admit it's been awhile since I read the blogs]. This is why I bring up my concerns. Unless they pop out AC 2.0, and for my opinion, it needs to come by the end of the year, that would show evidence that they are lying about their status and prove everything that Derek has said is true. They also have some excessive expenditures, like having 4/5 mocap studios. That's entirely foolish in my opinion. If AC 2.0 comes out and doesn't include the features they said (Derek linked this 3 pages ago), then it'll be unquestionable that they're lying and have been lying. Which is why I support everyone who is asking for refunds and the like. I get it, and believe people should never put in money to a project they have any question over, and get refunds if they already have. Loiosh fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Nov 16, 2015 |
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Nov 16, 2015 19:17
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Loiosh posted:Everyone seems to be. Both of my roommates are regular (medical) weed users as well and shake their heads at me. I was that one kid who abstinence-only education actually worked on. Until my 20s, basically. Well at least you're consistent about being susceptible to propaganda.
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Nov 16, 2015 19:21
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D_Smart posted:This "game" is never - ever - seeing the light of day with Chris, Sandi and Ortwin at the helm. Ever. quote:JeuxOnline - In proportion, is that these new players will represent something like 20% of the current total of backers? 50%? 100%? What are your expectations ? I speak for the next six months, not five years. 
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Nov 16, 2015 19:25
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Well at least you're consistent about being susceptible to propaganda. No kidding. My sister and I both were. Our teachers and parents loved it, of course. It took a long time to undue a lot of that influence. You can guess at how fun it was to explain to my family that not only did that AO not work, but oh, I'm bisexual and I might not be into marriage all that much. Sorry Mom and Dad.
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Nov 16, 2015 19:26
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