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G0RF posted:But Sandi said they're expecting 200,000 - 500,000 new backers in six months? They don't even have 1 million, they have 784k backers. The endless stream of propaganda from CIG got old 2 years ago.
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1500 posted:They don't even have 1 million, they have 784k backers. The endless stream of propaganda from CIG got old 2 years ago. And they're not updating how many of those backers have asked for refunds, gotten refunds, or are in the (5 week?) queue to get a refund.
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Also I remember some guy called that number into question by basically suggesting that anyone with an account was considered a backer and that there were many people with multiple or fake accounts, not to mention rumors that CIG has artificially been raising the numbers itself If there truly are nearly a million people involved with money on the line then where is everyone
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Hav posted:Who do you think went to jail over 38 Studios' loan? There were depositions, but the only person jailed was Buddy Cianci over 'Plunder Dome', which was only peripherally connected. It was a terrible deal, but stopped short of actual fraud. Rhode Island brought a suit based on fraud and walked away with a settlement for $4.4 million. Yeah, that's who I was referring to. At least I think that was him, last I checked. Regardless, someone was jailed for fraud related to the 38 Studios fiasco. And regardless of how they were connected to it, my statement that "someone went to jail for fraud" is still valid.
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True story: I was given a "play SC for free" code, and my GPU committed seppuku the moment I started installing it rather than have the shame of having to render lovely looking spaceships. Thanks crobbers, I'm now down £160, but at least it's for something real.
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1500 posted:They don't even have 1 million, they have 784k backers. The endless stream of propaganda from CIG got old 2 years ago. the "Citizen" counter's not even backers. It's just people who've made an account. That's why it spikes hard during "free flight" promos.
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Xaerael posted:the "Citizen" counter's not even backers. It's just people who've made an account. That's why it spikes hard during "free flight" promos. I thought there was some spreadsheet somewhere of their backer figures? Is that thing still up to date?
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Speaking of making up numbers: 3 days below 20k, and 'surprise' a sudden influx ...
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Chalks posted:I thought there was some spreadsheet somewhere of their backer figures? Is that thing still up to date? There is/was, but I doubt it's worth the time of day reading it. I honestly doubt everything numerical that CIG spouts, from their takings to how many languages Sandi can read Lord of the Rings in.
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Xaerael posted:the "Citizen" counter's not even backers. It's just people who've made an account. That's why it spikes hard during "free flight" promos. Right that is why I was saying 784k, the number of accounts that have AC access. As CIG gave every pledge access to AC, its an accurate number (assuming this is the one and only thing CIG are not lying about) of paid accounts for SC. But really it does not say how many "backers" it has because many people have multiple accounts. 1500 fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Nov 16, 2015 |
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Sappo569 posted:Speaking of making up numbers: hate pledging
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Chalks posted:I thought there was some spreadsheet somewhere of their backer figures? Is that thing still up to date? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tMAP0fg-AKScI3S3VjrDW3OaLO4zgBA1RSYoQOQoNSI/edit#gid=1694467207 Nicholas fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Nov 16, 2015 |
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Sappo569 posted:Speaking of making up numbers: Could be subscriber renewals. If you're on a bi-weekly [and by bi-weekly, I meant bi-monthly because I'm derp] pay schedule you'd have them closer to the middle and beginning of the month (more subs then). It would actually be very interesting to track the subscriber numbers to see how many they have as regular income. The one thing they have not monetized well is their subscriber base. Right now it gets you some in-game currency (REC) that can be used to try out other ships... but not yet, of course. Loiosh fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Nov 16, 2015 |
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Sappo569 posted:Speaking of making up numbers: It happens before every "sale" event at CIG. Its faster to purchase with store credit then it is with a new purchase, so  will make purchases before the event, in order to increase their chance of getting "limited" ships.
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LLJKSiLk posted:Why don't just go full Scientology and create "SpaceOrg" and have their employees sign billion-year contracts to CIG and base themselves in international waters with no employment laws? Now I want to see a game developed out at sea on a cruise ship. Just 100 nerds and their families, trapped at sea until King Roberts gets what he wants. more coke at sea Wait wasn't that basically in neruomancer? Or wasn't that the second GITS movie?
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1500 posted:Right that is why I was saying 784k, the number of accounts that have AC access. As CIG gave every pledge access to AC, its an accurate number of paid accounts for SC. But really it does not say how many "backers" it has because many people have multiple accounts. Call me a cynic, but I don't believe that number is true, even counting shared accounts. Just over 30k people originally pledged on KS. I really don't see how another 75X,000 new paid accounts have been made since then for a game that literally doesn't exist outside of some really lovely tech demos, multiple accounts or otherwise. CIG's bullshitting. Straight and simple. It's the best way to keep the con going, pad numbers to make it all look healthy, so the idiot whales keep emptying their bank balances into croberts and sandi's attempt to get back into Hollywood.
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Toops posted:This is my doge. same 
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Raskolnikov posted:Now I want to see a game developed out at sea on a cruise ship. Just 100 nerds and their families, trapped at sea until King Roberts gets what he wants. Neuromancer was one massive cool nerd that started in Japan, then US, then SPACE.
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So do we have any real numbers from the ship/jpeg/retard sale? Hi seraph could you give me an avatar kthx.
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Eonwe posted:seraph gave me a dumb avatar again This is the third time you've mentioned it in the last 2 pages. Someone will get you a shiny new AV soon.
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Raskolnikov posted:Now I want to see a game developed out at sea on a cruise ship. Just 100 nerds and their families, trapped at sea until King Roberts gets what he wants. I think that's Snow Crash, where they had an aircraft carrier.
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Jst0rm posted:So do we have any real numbers from the ship/jpeg/retard sale? Get a cat to walk across your numpad, that's the number.
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Eonwe posted:seraph gave me a dumb avatar again At least dicks on your face is nothing new. Roll with it my man.
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Sappo569 posted:Speaking of making up numbers: We don't know their fixed monthly burn- but it's surely north of $2M. It could be north of $3M- but even if it isn't, they incur a lot of one time expenses with these new office moves and mo-cap equipment upgrades and $20k expresso machines. There is no doubt it's a bad day for the books at CIG when they only bank $25k in pledges. Now, it's pretty obvious the Chris and Sandi are trusting they can always offset the lower baseline revenues with more hydraulic fracking of the space whales. These Anniversary Sales and "limited supply" Starliner presales and whatnot do bring in heap big bucks on a one-time basis. Surely by this time next week, CIG will have pumped another few million out of the wallets of the too-far-gones and sunk costers and they will end the month feeling like they more than covered their baseline shortfall. They'll probably celebrate with more indulgent purchases for the CIG Santa Monica crew as they finish pouring concrete over the bodies in Austin... What is, to me, really interesting is that Sandi-- marketing and business genius Sandi-- seems to believe they'll have up to half a million new backers in the next 6 months. Either she is lying thru her teeth (always possible with her) or she is deluded in the extreme. That is an insanely bullish projection and doesn't seem grounded in trend data. A marketing professional worth their weight usually avoids making conspicuously aggressive revenue projections -- even if they have reason to hope for a breakaway success-- as it is always better for your surprises to be upside, not downside. One has others applauding your genius, the other has you apologizing for your myopia.
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Wouldn't it be normal for people to spend less just before a big sale?
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If any of you still feel the need to throw money down a big stupid hole, you could buy me a formlabs form 2 printer so i can open my jewellery CAD business sooner than i planned. i can even make you an actual spaceship on it. I legit cannot comprehend the idea of $1000 being nothing at any sort of income level, jesus christ you people.
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Eonwe posted:seraph gave me a dumb avatar again Is that why you have a weblink to Global Capitalism?
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G0RF posted:What is, to me, really interesting is that Sandi-- marketing and business genius Sandi-- seems to believe they'll have up to half a million new backers in the next 6 months. Either she is lying thru her teeth (always possible with her) or she is deluded in the extreme. That is an insanely bullish projection and doesn't seem grounded in trend data. A marketing professional worth their weight usually avoids making conspicuously aggressive revenue projections -- even if they have reason to hope for a breakaway success-- as it is always better for your surprises to be upside, not downside. One has others applauding your genius, the other has you apologizing for your myopia. The strategy is probably to keep anyone on the fence from bailing by convincing them that there will be more than enough new-blood to make up for those that are fleeing. LastCaress posted:Wouldn't it be normal for people to spend less just before a big sale? I think someone said that it's quicker to buy with store credit. So the whales: 1) buy ships before the sale 2) return them for store credit 3) use the credit during the sale to quickly get "limited" ships. SirPhoebos fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Nov 16, 2015 |
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Loiosh posted:No kidding. My sister and I both were. Our teachers and parents loved it, of course. It took a long time to undue a lot of that influence. Hi poly pan person. Are you cute irl?
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Nemo2342 posted:I think that's Snow Crash, where they had an aircraft carrier. Chris Roberts knows about the snow crash I hope people know about slang terms for cocaine 
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Raskolnikov posted:Hi poly pan person. Are you cute irl? Like all bisexual poly guy who post on forums about video games: Hell no. I'm a midsized read: American medium, which = fatty to the real world buttery ball of affection.
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ShredsYouSay posted:Chris Roberts knows about the snow crash I went skiing and crashed a lot once I got to the bottom of the mountain. Loiosh posted:Like all bisexual poly guy who post on forums about video games: Hell no. Wait you're actually cool? Wtf, a cig cultist who is self aware and cool? Now we've seen everything. Raskolnikov fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Nov 16, 2015 |
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LCL-Dead posted:This is the third time you've mentioned it in the last 2 pages. Someone will get you a shiny new AV soon. i dont want someone to buy me an av to replace it i want seraph to buy me a funny avatar
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Eonwe posted:i dont want someone to buy me an av to replace it so a jpeg of your posting
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Raskolnikov posted:Wait you're actually cool? Wtf, a cig cultist who is self aware and cool? Now we've seen everything. I wasn't when I was younger (see: Texas). I was extremely opinionated, full on selfish, a giant jerk and oh-so Republican. What happened to fix all that is falling in love unexpectedly with an older hippie. Just by being kind and loving to me, my desire to impress upon others evaporated over the years. I also found a close friend who suffered from strong depression, which tempered my childish belief that people who are sad are stupid and should just think happy. In both cases I learned to be less opinionated, to listen to others, and to understand that I do not know everything. Basically, I didn't need to prove that my opinion was right. I needed to learn that my opinion is usually wrong, and that the best path in life is to listen with respect to others and look up things (read) for my education on why I was wrong.
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Chalks posted:It's Seraph84 trying to fool us by registering a new account 5 years in the past then being a reasonable human and good poster with it. Sneaky bastard. Yeah, I was going with that as well. Especially since we already have a time traveler in the thread.
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Loiosh posted:I wasn't when I was younger (see: Texas). I was extremely opinionated, full on selfish, a giant jerk and oh-so Republican. What happened to fix all that is falling in love unexpectedly with an older hippie. Just by being kind and loving to me, my desire to impress upon others evaporated over the years. I also found a close friend who suffered from strong depression, which tempered my childish belief that people who are sad are stupid and should just think happy. In both cases I learned to be less opinionated, to listen to others, and to understand that I do not know everything. We're posting friends now. If anyone gives you grief I've got your back.
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