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it is definitely not seraph because seraph has a breakdown within 5 posts of pretending to be another person.
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1500 posted:They don't even have 1 million, they have 784k backers. The endless stream of propaganda from CIG got old 2 years ago. Yup. And just think that it took 2012-2015 (hint: 3 years this month) to even get that many. And she says they're going to add 200K-500K more in six months? That's not even projection territory, it's flat out lies. The woman is an habitual liar. And this poo poo isn't even funny anymore.
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Loiosh posted:I wasn't when I was younger (see: Texas). I was extremely opinionated, full on selfish, a giant jerk and oh-so Republican. What happened to fix all that is falling in love unexpectedly with an older hippie. Just by being kind and loving to me, my desire to impress upon others evaporated over the years. I also found a close friend who suffered from strong depression, which tempered my childish belief that people who are sad are stupid and should just think happy. In both cases I learned to be less opinionated, to listen to others, and to understand that I do not know everything. the unironic best person in this thread is a SC backer, who'd've thunk
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Nov 16, 2015 21:06
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Prop Wash posted:Also I remember some guy called that number into question by basically suggesting that anyone with an account was considered a backer and that there were many people with multiple or fake accounts, not to mention rumors that CIG has artificially been raising the numbers itself I already called bollocks on that one, months ago. Though no evidence of them manipulating it exists, what we do know - for a fact - is that 1) people who get refunds, and their accounts closed, don't affect that count. We've actually tracked that, believe it or not 2) anyone who has an account, be if from a free weekend, free code etc - without having bought anything at all, adds to that count
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Nov 16, 2015 21:08
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Sappo569 posted:Speaking of making up numbers: Yeah, that's some of the crap we're dying to question them about in court. They've got to be manipulating that chart in order to show "health" and confidence in the project. And it's not illegal btw.
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Nov 16, 2015 21:10
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D_Smart posted:Yeah, that's some of the crap we're dying to question them about in court. They've got to be manipulating that chart in order to show "health" and confidence in the project. And it's not illegal btw. Surely misrepresenting the financial health of your business to attract more """investment""" is textbook fraud?
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Nov 16, 2015 21:15
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Raskolnikov posted:Awe you sound really sweet. Thanks for being you. I'm still struggling with "I'm not always right" on some issues and I'll get there soon, you know, that deeper understanding of complexity of any given situation. That deeper understanding of complexity of any given situation isn't really all it's cracked up to be anyway. Heck, sometimes it's a bad thing, paralyzing you with indecision, making you obsess over poo poo that don't matter that much in the end when you should just be doing things about it. So while I can't say I took the time to read your reply to me Loiosh, I think you're cool too. Heck, if nothing else, it's nice to see someone willing to just talk about Mass Effect at random and not be a passive/aggressive goony dipshit about it.
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Nov 16, 2015 21:18
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If you really don't believe there are that many dummies in the world to drop that kind of money on spaceship stuff daily, I don't know what to tell you. It's an addiction for a hell of a lot of people. I doubt the numbers are fake.
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Nov 16, 2015 21:20
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G0RF posted:The thing is, those are dreadful numbers. I personally don't think they (CIG) inflate them-- because, given their overhead, they need a crapton more than this to be at break even. Yes, pretty much this. And yes, she's lying. Again.
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Nov 16, 2015 21:23
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CrazyLoon posted:That deeper understanding of complexity of any given situation isn't really all it's cracked up to be anyway. Heck, sometimes it's a bad thing, paralyzing you with indecision, making you obsess over poo poo that don't matter that much in the end when you should just be doing things about it. I'll totally admit to ME 2 and Witcher III being the games I had the most fun with. ICO remains the 'best game' to me, but I had more fun with ME 2.
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Nov 16, 2015 21:24
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Enchanted Hat posted:Surely misrepresenting the financial health of your business to attract more """investment""" is textbook fraud? Nope. In fact, I just answered that very question on Twitter https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/666349942093586432 quote:no. because the premise of the chart is not to attract investors. Its to provide reporting. No different from a press release
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Nov 16, 2015 21:25
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Is spending 1 days worth of income on a coffee maker really a big deal for a project that is 10,000 days in length?
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Nov 16, 2015 21:28
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Loiosh posted:When you say had something, I'm curious what you mean. Let's pick Bungie as an example. They had a carefully scripted demo that was prerecorded and a third person engine. They demo'd that prerecorded video at MacWorld 1999. This is after they had already done a complete engine change from the Myth II RTS version of Halo. That third person game would have one more engine rewrite (though much smaller, they replaced the entire user control code, some of the movement and the rendering engine). That's correct. They don't have the tech to build Star Citizen as promised. That's what they're working on. And whatever they release for 2.0, is not even going to be indicative of the bigger picture. They know this. Which is why they're dubbing it "Baby PU". And my guess is that, at some point, assuming they survive the first part of 2016, they will most likely nerf it all again. Also, Chris went on the record, may times, saying that Star Citizen was not an MMO. As far back as 2013, there were several posts asking for verification of just that fact. Here's one. https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/14268/star-citizen-mmo-or-not-clear-answer-please Then, seemingly overnight, the team found themselves building what? Yup. An MMO. And that's precisely how he derailed the project.
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Nov 16, 2015 21:29
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Loiosh posted:I'll totally admit to ME 2 and Witcher III being the games I had the most fun with. ICO remains the 'best game' to me, but I had more fun with ME 2. Of Bioware titles I'd say I had the most fun with Dragon Age: Origins and its expansion. It was just everything I could've hoped for, really, and also definitely broke WoW's hold over me. ME2 is close after that, though I prefer ME3's gameplay a fair bit more. Still, in terms of artistic achievement Spec Ops: The Line will probably remain tops for me in this whole category. Otherwise, though, I'm more of a CK2 and XCOM fanatic, especially with the sequel coming out. But we can chat more about this stuffs if Ras over there decides to PM and invite you to her TS sometimes, so we can chat in private and not here since I have no PM function and feel like messing up this thread to introduce myself to you.
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Nov 16, 2015 21:31
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:haha Those animations.. they dont look natural. at all. How can you have 2 mocap studios, rent 2 mocap studios, and STILL end up with non-mocap animations?! What is wrong with CiG?
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Nov 16, 2015 21:37
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hello derek what is your favorite kind of sandwich
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Nov 16, 2015 21:38
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Loiosh posted:What happened to fix all that is falling in love unexpectedly with an older hippie. It was Tommy Chong, wasn't it? Loiosh posted:Basically, I didn't need to prove that my opinion was right. I needed to learn that my opinion is usually wrong, and that the best path in life is to listen with respect to others and look up things (read) for my education on why I was wrong. Get a refund!
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Actually, to be fair, they are going to need a lot of time in a mocap studio if Sandi is going to be reprising her role as a skeksis.
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Nov 16, 2015 21:44
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Loiosh posted:I'm willing to support the effort because I've seen this same thing happen year after year in game development. (Here's where I mention that Blizzard redesigned Diablo I a year before delivery. It was originally turn-based).
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Loiosh posted:I wasn't when I was younger (see: Texas). I was extremely opinionated, full on selfish, a giant jerk and oh-so Republican. What happened to fix all that is falling in love unexpectedly with an older hippie. Just by being kind and loving to me, my desire to impress upon others evaporated over the years. I also found a close friend who suffered from strong depression, which tempered my childish belief that people who are sad are stupid and should just think happy. In both cases I learned to be less opinionated, to listen to others, and to understand that I do not know everything. You seem cool. If we ever hang out you can drink some of my beer. Wait. poo poo. We can still hang out. staberind posted:Actually, to be fair, they are going to need a lot of time in a mocap studio if Sandi is going to be reprising her role as a skeksis. I don't know what that means but I just realized that it would be loving perfect if it turns out that Sandi's giant [REDACTED] secret is that she's playing the Vanduul Queen.
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Nov 16, 2015 21:47
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How do you have 6 bow emotes and have them all be the same arm-sweeping bow? They never thought "hey maybe one should be a regular bow like you see in every other game and also real life."
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Nov 16, 2015 21:53
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Decrepus posted:How do you have 6 bow emotes and have them all be the same arm-sweeping bow? They never thought "hey maybe one should be a regular bow like you see in every other game and also real life." When in space rome, do as the space romans do
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Decrepus posted:How do you have 6 bow emotes and have them all be the same arm-sweeping bow? They never thought "hey maybe one should be a regular bow like you see in every other game and also real life." they know their audience, all they're missing is a "m'lady" voice clip and a fedora tip
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Decrepus posted:How do you have 6 bow emotes and have them all be the same arm-sweeping bow? They never thought "hey maybe one should be a regular bow like you see in every other game and also real life." Different degrees of bows for different degrees of respect, of course! (I have no idea). Also, Skeksis are from The Dark Crystal. Overdressed avian critters!
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Decrepus posted:How do you have 6 bow emotes and have them all be the same arm-sweeping bow? They never thought "hey maybe one should be a regular bow like you see in every other game and also real life." wake me when we have every sexual position emotes.
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:they know their audience, all they're missing is a "m'lady" voice clip and a fedora tip Also the no pants crotch zoom
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Nov 16, 2015 22:00
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Loiosh posted:Different degrees of bows for different degrees of respect, of course! (I have no idea). the more money the other character spent the deeper you bow.
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Nov 16, 2015 22:00
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Jst0rm posted:the more money the other character spent the deeper you bow. Now you're just doing their work for them 
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Nov 16, 2015 22:03
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Now you're just doing their work for them heres another free one. Larger and larger cod pieces for every 1k spent. I am game designer.
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Nov 16, 2015 22:05
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Jst0rm posted:the more money the other character spent the deeper you bow. at concierge level you bow low enough that you end up with your head stuck up your own rear end
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Jst0rm posted:wake me when we have every sexual position emotes. /bow fellates croberts character if you find him in-game
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Jst0rm posted:wake me when we have every sexual position emotes. /em inevitableconsequenceofpiracy
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D_Smart posted:Yeah, that's some of the crap we're dying to question them about in court. They've got to be manipulating that chart in order to show "health" and confidence in the project. And it's not illegal btw. There is nothing healthy about a $25K "bump" up from a $20K floor. You folks are acting like minor fluctuations in the day-to-day are conspicuous macro swings towards financial health. If they dropped $25K a day for a month they aren't even at $1M. That's a bad month of revenue for CIG. Look at the reported weekly trends. They, too are not positive.  Are we to assume they artificially deflate their numbers? Why would they let such a huge delta exist between weekly yields if they wanted to convey an image of financial health when this does the opposite? The more plausible explanation is that baseline averages are trending very low-- a sign that perhaps they're nearing Market Saturation for "Pre-Alpha!" Backers. This is corroborated by the rather clumsy introduction of the "Ref-Rul" program - to attempt to improve inflow of new backers through turning their existing backers into motivated evangelists. (All signs point to this not helping much- unsurprisingly.) The huge spikes from limited sales are more plausibly explained by existing backers digging deeper and adding insult to their injuries by loading up on even more speculative space pixel 'investments'. Remember there was a time a couple of years ago when the baseline averages were much, much higher. Even with no stimulus on CIG's part, they'd see several times the daily income via RSI. That was a picture of healthier new backer growth. If you can forgive the sloppy analogy, at one time, they were putting a straw into the fields at Spindeltop and money was absolutely exploding out of the ground. Those days are far past. Now they are injecting huge amounts of water into the ground to squeeze out reserves. When they do not inject, reserve pressures are low and only modest amounts of money are recovered. So, as loathe as I am to say I actually trust CIG about something, the generally negative picture conveyed by their supposedly trustworthy daily income tracker does not appear to suggest manipulation. If they are being manipulated, then whoever is doing it is an idiot, because they are signaling a company which is having increasing financial difficulty. Lastly, the picture above surely does NOT capture refunds issues. We do not know even the ballpark sum for monies refunded, but whatever it is, we know it would impact the above adversely. We DO know the above is likely to include Merchandise revenues-- because the big spike we recently saw was seemingly tied to the sale of Concierge (not-black) Black Cards. That is useful to remember, as we can discount the possibility that there are some unaccounted-for bonus incomes from merch helping to boost daily numbers. They're accounted for, and generally speaking, pretty lackluster... G0RF fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Nov 16, 2015 |
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https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/296354 The ship on sale is always the best ship and we have at least 12 different sale days coming up. quote:Anvil Aerospace Crucible – A so-called “flying toolbox,” the Crucible is the ship you want on your side when you suffer an asteroid collision or survive a pirate attack! Structurally, the Crucible consists of a cockpit, drive unit and workshop. The Crucible’s workshop is versatile: it can be used as a base for conducting EVA repairs (complete with requisite tool storage) or it can use magnetic grapplers to attach directly to a ship hull. In this situation, the workshop actually opens to space and allows a repair crew direct access to a damaged ship. The workshop can either maintain artificial gravity or allow for zero-g repair operations, depending on the needs of the mission. The Crucible’s cockpit is also outfitted with an array of repair tools, including dual purpose mounts that can exchange weapons for tractor beams and remote manipulator arms. The Crucible is also part of a larger planned repair system. For larger projects, independent sections of support struts and drive units, called the Miller ERS (External Repair Structure), can be locked together to form a sort of scaffolding around a damaged starship, the next best thing to an orbital drydock. A standard ERS unit includes a small drive, thrusters, magnetic attach points and modular hardpoints for mounting tractor beams, repair tools or weapons. ERS segments each have a code defining their shape (P1 = Straight section, P2= Left turn, P3 = Right turn, etc.) with the multiple layouts allowing extensive zero-gravity construction as necessary. In the case of damaged capital ships, like the Navy’s Bengal carriers, hundreds of ERS units might be formed into a latticework serviced by a dozen or more Crucibles.
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G0RF posted:So, as loathe as I am to say I actually trust CIG about something, the generally negative picture conveyed by their supposedly trustworthy daily income tracker does not appear to suggest manipulation. If they are being manipulated, then whoever is doing it is an idiot, because they are signaling a company which is having increasing financial difficulty. I agree with this, daily numbers don't include subscriptions but do include merchandising (without subtracting the actual cost/delivery), pretty sure they don't remove refunds and the backer figures include whales with numerous accounts each. It's bad enough without them playing with the figures which would only be making it worse for themselves later.
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hey here's an idea for your anniversary sale show some gameplay footage from your game instead of more fictional descriptions of yet-to-be-designed systems on imaginary spaceship jpegs that costs hundreds of dollars of real life money
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staberind posted:Actually, to be fair, they are going to need a lot of time in a mocap studio if Sandi is going to be reprising her role as a skeksis. I did an upscaled reproduction of the Skeksis Chamberlain puppet a few years back. True story. Knowing how hard "being a Skeksis" is I doubt Sandi, even with her nineteen black belts, 2 year undefeated WCW heavyweight championship and predicted 2017 world's strongest man victory could face the challenge.
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This could be their last event so I hope everyone enjoys it, the next time they'll have a good reason for a sale is AC 2.0 or Gamescom in August 2016 (depending which happens first).
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G0RF posted:There is nothing healthy about a $25K "bump" up from a $20K floor. You folks are acting like minor fluctuations in the day-to-day are conspicuous macro swings towards financial health. If they dropped $25K a day for a month they aren't even at $1M. That's a bad month of revenue for CIG. Well no because the chart would need to show -200k for one day  AP posted:https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/296354 Oh boy a different super special ship for sale each day? So are they going to 'forget' to turn off the tap like every other sale recently, and let it run clear into December? So many possibilities for the hard core backers to really start to show their dissent, the next 2 weeks is going to be magical
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