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alphabettitouretti posted:Otherwise CIG will be forced to sell the POTATO again. Is that a thing that really happened? 
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D_Smart posted:Yeah, that's who I was referring to. At least I think that was him, last I checked. Regardless, someone was jailed for fraud related to the 38 Studios fiasco. And regardless of how they were connected to it, my statement that "someone went to jail for fraud" is still valid. No, it's not. Being jailed for something implies a criminal case, not a civil case. Rhode Island brought a civil case because they had no primary evidence of fraud that would have interested the FBI, mainly because their assertion is a risk assessment was *ignored*. Bear in mind that you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that there was a specific attempt to defraud, rather than simply being forgetful or crap. Most fraud cases that are actually heard involve someone handing someone else money. To specify this more, to be jailed for fraud in the 38 studios case, you'd need to be named as a defendent for the crime, convicted and jailed. That's the thing that I cannot find. Fraud is deliberate deception; that's the level that you have to prove. Throwing around the word as red meat is all well and good, but most fraud cases collapse on 'deliberate deception'. ShredsYouSay posted:whatever happened with that clang project, did anyone get their money back No. They set up some sort of website for processing refunds, but slunk away from it. The guy who backed at the level of the sword got his, but everyone else got shafted. The 'alpha' they claimed to release was literally a demo level in Unity. To be fair that one was a terrible pitch by a guy that probably regrets fronting his friends.
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Nov 17, 2015 16:32
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Wuxi posted:Is that a thing that really happened? Derek spoiled the name of the ship they were gonna sell at that stupid Citizencon thing, but he did it quite early so they had time to change it. Unfortunately they forget to swap the placeholder text with the actual name so it just said POTATO. I should clarify there was no proof that the name he revealed was right but it was an odd coincidence that the ship name ended up being POTATO for a while. Certainly seemed like he made them panic a little and they hosed up in an amusing manner.
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Nov 17, 2015 16:33
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Yes. Salt the ship names. Even adding " will be sold during the CIG anniversary sale" to the end of the name will defeat rainbow tables and remove any ambiguity later on.
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Nov 17, 2015 16:38
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 lol Bitcoin
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Nov 17, 2015 16:41
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Encrypt a 20 paragraph blog post so they try to change everything then just release the ship names in plain text on the morning before the sale anyway.
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Nov 17, 2015 16:43
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T.G. Xarbala posted:If anybody believed all that, they'd have to be really loving gullible. Hence, r/starcitizen. Yeah, we caught that; and posted about that dumb gently caress, after we connected (no doxing even required that time) all the dots.
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Nov 17, 2015 16:46
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Wyld posted:Thanks for the link. I only made it to around 10m in before I couldn't take any more of this guys horrible project management skills and his answer to everything thats coming soon. I was fixated on his answer on escape pods and what happens to multi-crew on death. Since he doesn't do a decent job of answering I google'd death in Star Citizen. Outside the amazing number of posts referring to this game as walking death I found this great quote, 'But I’m not interested in making EVE 2.0 with cockpits.' (https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/engineering/12879-Death-Of-A-Spaceman) Yes. It's a farce. It's FUBAR. And it's now just a money grab. Sadly, it's not illegal to keep taking money; unless the Feds step in, investigate, and deem it to be an illegal enterprise.
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Nov 17, 2015 16:48
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AP posted:Doesn't matter if it had to be done or not, a lot of stupid stuff was said at the time by Frontier that people weren't entitled to refunds, they were and so eventually they got them if they stuck with it. The benefits of having offline mode can be argued and the disadvantages of having it impact other features too but that's not the reason I mentioned it. No, FD gave refunds to people that could not play and were waiting for the offline mode in order to play. What they didn't want to do was give refunds to people that had 10's to 100's of hours playing ONLINE and that were now demanding a refund. FD sold early access to ED, now that early access was over what was stopping people from demanding a refund and then just buying again for cheaper? How do you tell who wanted a refund because of the loss of offline and who was trying to game the system? FD was in the right to not give refunds to people that put in 10's of hours of gameplay in a ONLINE ONLY game, sorry but you don't get to play the "well I only bought it for offline" if you have been playing online for that long.
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Nov 17, 2015 16:50
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I guess the other possible concept sale they could do would be the Cutlass replacement they just wrote about on the website a couple days ago. It seems unlikely they'd have art for that already though, since concept art represents thousands of man-hours or whatever.
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Nov 17, 2015 16:50
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AP posted:Frontier lied about refunds during this disaster, CIG is continuing to lie about refunds. lol they never lied about refunds.
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Nov 17, 2015 16:51
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Beet Wagon posted:I guess the other possible concept sale they could do would be the Cutlass replacement they just wrote about on the website a couple days ago. It seems unlikely they'd have art for that already though, since concept art represents thousands of man-hours or whatever. Too early for that. I imagine they'd want to have a concept for a large ship ($$$$) instead of another fighter ($$$).
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Nov 17, 2015 16:53
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TTerrible posted:This is a full on LOL!!! yeah. We buy Heinz salad dressing six bottles at a time. By the time it gets to 2 bottles left, I'm already freaking out and having panic attacks. Very few stores sell it on import. So often, I make the trek to a local British import store to stock up. When I am in the UK, I ship a box of 12 back to the US. Down in Florida, only one grocery store (Publix) sometimes has it in their "Ethic Foods" section. And usually it's all gone the minute it hits the shelf. Some Walmart stores also carry it from time to time. Good stuff. Anyone who hasn't tried it, trust me, skip the mayo and get this. Some online British stores, as well as eBay and Amazon have it btw; but over-priced as expected. Google: "heinz salad cream"
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Nov 17, 2015 16:54
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ham salad. You're a man of impeccable taste.
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Nov 17, 2015 16:54
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Loiosh posted:Too early for that. I imagine they'd want to have a concept for a large ship ($$$$) instead of another fighter ($$$). Why are people even speculating ? its just another load of fecking JPEGS.
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Nov 17, 2015 16:55
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Loiosh posted:Too early for that. I imagine they'd want to have a concept for a large ship ($$$$) instead of another fighter ($$$). They already do though. The Crucible is confirmed for concept and is gonna cost $350.
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Nov 17, 2015 16:55
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Beet Wagon posted:They already do though. The Crucible is confirmed for concept and is gonna cost $350. That's what I mean by another fighter. Releasing 2 'cheap' fighters wouldn't net the most money. In the chat people are talking about a new capital ship, but I think that's unlikely as well. I'm guessing another salvage or fuel/transport ship. They do not impact game balance as much and have more simplified interiors.
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Nov 17, 2015 16:57
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it will be like this, in no particular order 1) Military ships (Super Hornet, Gladius, Freelancer MIS) 2) Trading ships 3) Racing Ships 4) Alien Ships 5) ......
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Nov 17, 2015 16:57
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EightAce posted:Why are people even speculating ? its just another load of fecking JPEGS. Well, the sperghive is speculating because they need another money-sink to ruin their lives with. And I'm speculating because I'm interested in how this is going to play out vis a vis Derek's pre-sale revelations.
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Nov 17, 2015 16:58
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EightAce posted:Why are people even speculating ? its just another load of fecking JPEGS. Same reason people speculated about WoW 2 for a decade before Blizzard canceled it. Video game fans are fans. When you hang out in an area like this you kinda forget that there are fans of this project (who aren't Karl). What to you is simply more money grabbing on the slide into failure is a chance for the fans to purchase more in a project they believe in. And that's how they'll see it and why they'll speculate over JPEGs.
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Nov 17, 2015 17:00
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D_Smart posted:LOL!!! yeah. We buy Heinz salad dressing six bottles at a time. By the time it gets to 2 bottles left, I'm already freaking out and having panic attacks. Very few stores sell it on import. So often, I make the trek to a local British import store to stock up. When I am in the UK, I ship a box of 12 back to the US. Down in Florida, only one grocery store (Publix) sometimes has it in their "Ethic Foods" section. And usually it's all gone the minute it hits the shelf. Some Walmart stores also carry it from time to time. Publix seem a little overpriced, but they're the only place i've found over here outside of weird speciality stores that sell yorkshire tea and i need that to retain my human form. pg tips is piss
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Nov 17, 2015 17:00
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Loiosh posted:That's what I mean by another fighter. Releasing 2 'cheap' fighters wouldn't net the most money. In the chat people are talking about a new capital ship, but I think that's unlikely as well. I'm guessing another salvage or fuel/transport ship. They do not impact game balance as much and have more simplified interiors. Do they have any more concept ships in the lineup after the Crucible? I know people voted for like 10 different ships a long time ago, but I don't know what all they were. So there's the possibility of two concept sales that are either something we already know the name of or something completely out of the blue that nobody has ever heard of, the latter of which would be best for Derek if he could leak it properly this time.
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Nov 17, 2015 17:02
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1500 posted:No, FD gave refunds to people that could not play and were waiting for the offline mode in order to play. What they didn't want to do was give refunds to people that had 10's to 100's of hours playing ONLINE and that were now demanding a refund. Source your quotes
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Nov 17, 2015 17:04
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Beet Wagon posted:Do they have any more concept ships in the lineup after the Crucible? I know people voted for like 10 different ships a long time ago, but I don't know what all they were. So there's the possibility of two concept sales that are either something we already know the name of or something completely out of the blue that nobody has ever heard of, the latter of which would be best for Derek if he could leak it properly this time. I don't know. I haven't been following on the insider baseball side of things. Pretty much all I've been paying attention to are the engine updates because that is what interests me. More ships are not interesting. I would not expect anything surprising, though. I suspect the unannounced concept will be dropping from foundry's work on SQ42. Probably something they need for some of their mission design.
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Nov 17, 2015 17:06
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alphabettitouretti posted:Derek spoiled the name of the ship they were gonna sell at that stupid Citizencon thing, but he did it quite early so they had time to change it. Unfortunately they forget to swap the placeholder text with the actual name so it just said POTATO. 
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Nov 17, 2015 17:07
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Are we talking about encrypting the predictions so that CIG won't adapt by changing the ships to dishonour Derek again? That would have made sense the first time, before CIG knew how real his source was. At this point, if they actually give enough of a poo poo, they'll just preemptively make the necessary last-minute changes to everything, thereby obsoleting all inside information without having to know exactly what Derek said. Changing some ship names is evidently not a lot of work.
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Nov 17, 2015 17:10
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1500 posted:No, FD gave refunds to people that could not play and were waiting for the offline mode in order to play. What they didn't want to do was give refunds to people that had 10's to 100's of hours playing ONLINE and that were now demanding a refund. Bro that some Shitizen level fanboying. If you promise a major feature for release then say "Well you were playing without this feature that doesn't exist yet - NO REFUNDS" probably wouldn't fly in any country with proper consumer protection laws. They hosed up pure and simple. They've probably made up for it at this point but it was a massive own goal that they deserved the bad press for.
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Nov 17, 2015 17:11
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Stanko-Prussian posted:Publix seem a little overpriced, but they're the only place i've found over here outside of weird speciality stores that sell yorkshire tea and i need that to retain my human form. pg tips is piss World Market usually carries Yorkshire. Tetley does a British blend (purple box) that you won't be paying the ridiculous 'lol foreign' tax on, and I'll fight you if you diss Tetley. PG Tips is the devil, however. Berious posted:probably wouldn't fly in any country with proper consumer protection laws. And you don't think the UK has proper consumer protection laws?
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Nov 17, 2015 17:16
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1500 posted:No, FD gave refunds to people that could not play and were waiting for the offline mode in order to play. What they didn't want to do was give refunds to people that had 10's to 100's of hours playing ONLINE and that were now demanding a refund. Frontier were refusing refunds to people who had less than 3 hours logged in the "game", who had to log on to try the offline mode tutorial or whatever it was. Frontier were not in the right due to the fact that in every case they backed down and refunded before being taken to court. I'm sorry that you are wrong, very wrong and appear to be outraged at the idea of people getting a refund after playing too much, something which I personally hadn't mentioned or give a poo poo about. Either people are entitled to a refund for a broken contract promise under the law, even if they'd spent hours in an alpha or they've not. There's no magic, "you must have had fun because you played too long" line in consumer law. As in Star Citizen case from June 2014 anyone in the UK and wider EU can get a refund without having to provide a reason up to release +14 days. We can continue talking about this if you like as personally I'm sure that the continued argument about it is something Frontier would rather forget and you elite guys still being bitter about it is funny.
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Nov 17, 2015 17:16
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I hereby sentence you to death for the crime of leaking the name of a jpeg, how do you plead? GUILTY YOUR MAJESTY!!! Court dismissed!
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Nov 17, 2015 17:17
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I fell behind on SC drama. Is the new Crucible just 'a big ship' or is it one of those ships that could basically be a whole videogame all on its own whose mechanics or functions have zero grounding in the game engine as-is.
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Nov 17, 2015 17:17
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Loiosh posted:I don't know. I haven't been following on the insider baseball side of things. Pretty much all I've been paying attention to are the engine updates because that is what interests me. More ships are not interesting. I would not expect anything surprising, though. I suspect the unannounced concept will be dropping from foundry's work on SQ42. Probably something they need for some of their mission design. That's kind of what I'm thinking. I don't see a whole lot of opportunities for a real "gotcha" moment in regards to leaking ship names. I am wrong pretty frequently though.
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Nov 17, 2015 17:18
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Pierson posted:I fell behind on SC drama. Is the new Crucible just 'a big ship' or is it one of those ships that could basically be a whole videogame all on its own whose mechanics or functions have zero grounding in the game engine as-is. The second one.
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Nov 17, 2015 17:19
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Derek, don't release the ship names! It's all a secret ploy to get you to reveal your inside source! Sandi secretly name-dropped a different ship name to each person in the company, thus when your big reveal happens, she oust the traitor from her forested vagicave!
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Truga posted:Source your quotes You don't even need quotes, just cyncism. People are always stupider as you assume.
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Nov 17, 2015 17:21
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Beet Wagon posted:That's kind of what I'm thinking. I don't see a whole lot of opportunities for a real "gotcha" moment in regards to leaking ship names. I am wrong pretty frequently though. It's not "Haha, your ships are all going to be called dickbutt!", it's ""Haha, I have insiders telling me about your company, even things you've told people to keep secret!" He keeps saying that he's got people telling him that the company is falling apart from the inside. People say "where's the proof that he's got people on the inside telling him things?" - well, him leaking the ship names is proof.
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Hav posted:World Market usually carries Yorkshire. Tetley does a British blend (purple box) that you won't be paying the ridiculous 'lol foreign' tax on, and I'll fight you if you diss Tetley. PG Tips is the devil, however. I don't know. If a brit pressed they issue they probably got their money back.
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Berious posted:Bro that some Shitizen level fanboying. If you promise a major feature for release then say "Well you were playing without this feature that doesn't exist yet - NO REFUNDS" probably wouldn't fly in any country with proper consumer protection laws. They hosed up pure and simple. They've probably made up for it at this point but it was a massive own goal that they deserved the bad press for. LOL, No, I have been far more critical of FD and ED then positive. Perhaps you want to read what I said again? I didn't say they should not give refunds.
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D_Smart posted:only one grocery store (Publix) sometimes has it in their "Ethnic Foods" section. Salad cream an ethnic food... Forget about that crap. Get some Branston pickle and pair with a thick slice of ham and some good cheddar in between fresh bread. Also Derek I fixed your funny typo, you are welcome.
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AP posted:Frontier were refusing refunds to people who had less than 3 hours logged in the "game", who had to log on to try the offline mode tutorial or whatever it was. Nope not outraged, but is there anything else you want to make up? Oh how about "I am bitter", going to keep going the make poo poo up thing I see. I have always wondered what peoples obsession with projecting their personal feeling onto others is about. It is clear that you are the one bitter about the whole thing, after all you have made multiple posts complaining about it. The fact is, it was not a cut and dry case like some people want to claim. FD hosed up, no one can argue with that, their communication was poo poo, and they needed to tell people long before.
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