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banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004




Is the cum still on the sun visor?

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Cole
Nov 24, 2004

DUNSON'D

If I had a spare $5k I would totally put down a bid.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Does it have Chris' dead body in it?

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie
I'd hate to see the Carfax report on it.

kippa
Aug 10, 2005

Fry, it's been three days. You can't keep boogie-ing like this. You'll come down with a fever of some sort.

I guess we know how Lithuania feels about the show, they've put a 5 meter tall statue of Tony at a train station in Vilnius.

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

kippa posted:

I guess we know how Lithuania feels about the show, they've put a 5 meter tall statue of Tony at a train station in Vilnius.



I have so many questions

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
Phil Leotardo really did look like the Shah of Iran. :laugh:

fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
That was a great example of the hilariously petty grudges the people with power harboured about each other.

I finished the whole thing - watched the last episode last night. I don't know if it was because I was watching as an adult, or watching with different expectations, but the show was very different from how I remembered it and the final episode especially so. I picked up on a lot things that I didn't notice the first time around. I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but did anyone notice the noise towards the end of this scene? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF8gTLqlLSw (around 0:33) :stare:

Ishamael
Feb 18, 2004

You don't have to love me, but you will respect me.
How Capicola Became Gabagool: The NJ Italian Accent Explained

Madon'!

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



So what's the consensus on series 6 these days? I remember a lot of people hating it in years gone by, but I'm nearing the end of part 1 in my rewatch and the only part of it that's stuck out as particularly bad is the Cleaver subplot (especially the Ben Kingsley bit). Everything else is A grade.

UNRULY_HOUSEGUEST
Jul 19, 2006

mea culpa

Steve2911 posted:

So what's the consensus on series 6 these days? I remember a lot of people hating it in years gone by, but I'm nearing the end of part 1 in my rewatch and the only part of it that's stuck out as particularly bad is the Cleaver subplot (especially the Ben Kingsley bit). Everything else is A grade.

Season 6 part 1 is probably my least favourite season, which is a very relative measure given I'm talking about my favourite series. I didn't care for how much it leaned on Vito's plotline, not because I didn't find it interesting to see Tony's common sense come up against bigoted mob codes of masculinity, but because it didn't seem like the writers could stand to treat the character very seriously - whether it be the countless gay jokes or the fatalistic once-a-mobster-always-a-mobster plot beats that were better covered already - and to be frank Joe Gannascoli was not enough of an actor to carry that much material single handed.

These might not be popular opinions but I will defend the Cleaver stuff and especially the wonderfully self-deprecating Ben Kingsley cameo as funnier and better integrated to existing character arcs than any of the previous plots where the guys engage with Mafia / Italian-American media image, even if I'm not really a fan of how overly self-aware and self-reflexive that stuff is (also no way would real-world Kingsley turn Cleaver down without enquiring about the fee). I will also insist that the Artie episode was easily the best material offered to a maligned character and a remarkably funny and endearing sendoff. The Ride (around the street fair) and Mr. and Mrs. John Sacrimoni Request (around Johnny Sack's daughter's wedding) are straight up two of the best episodes of the entire series, even given the hoary jokes about deaf old relatives in the latter.

Part 2 I don't really think of as the same season but is a total home run, other than the overstated / non sequitur plotting and direction of Chasing It. I could not be happier about how much of it is Tony contemplating the murder of his closest friends.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcp8rN-YqLw

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

GimpChimp posted:

Season 6 part 1 is probably my least favourite season, which is a very relative measure given I'm talking about my favourite series. I didn't care for how much it leaned on Vito's plotline, not because I didn't find it interesting to see Tony's common sense come up against bigoted mob codes of masculinity, but because it didn't seem like the writers could stand to treat the character very seriously - whether it be the countless gay jokes or the fatalistic once-a-mobster-always-a-mobster plot beats that were better covered already - and to be frank Joe Gannascoli was not enough of an actor to carry that much material single handed.

These might not be popular opinions but I will defend the Cleaver stuff and especially the wonderfully self-deprecating Ben Kingsley cameo as funnier and better integrated to existing character arcs than any of the previous plots where the guys engage with Mafia / Italian-American media image, even if I'm not really a fan of how overly self-aware and self-reflexive that stuff is (also no way would real-world Kingsley turn Cleaver down without enquiring about the fee). I will also insist that the Artie episode was easily the best material offered to a maligned character and a remarkably funny and endearing sendoff. The Ride (around the street fair) and Mr. and Mrs. John Sacrimoni Request (around Johnny Sack's daughter's wedding) are straight up two of the best episodes of the entire series, even given the hoary jokes about deaf old relatives in the latter.



I liked the Cleaver stuff as it was a capstone on Christopher and Tony's relationship, and how "gone" Christopher was. I am pretty sure Cleaver made the killing of Christopher easier as he know how he really felt about him.

UNRULY_HOUSEGUEST
Jul 19, 2006

mea culpa

bobkatt013 posted:

I liked the Cleaver stuff as it was a capstone on Christopher and Tony's relationship, and how "gone" Christopher was. I am pretty sure Cleaver made the killing of Christopher easier as he know how he really felt about him.

Oh definitely, I thought turning the Cleaver screening into the emotional nadir of their relationship was an inspired piece of writing, but I can only credit part 1 with the setup for that, not the payoff.

joebuddah
Jan 30, 2005
After rewatching the Sopranos and Burn Notice I realize how awful both leading characters really are. But I think atleast Tony accepts what he is.

Also what happened to the rewatch thread?

joebuddah fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Nov 10, 2015

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

joebuddah posted:

After rewatching the Sopranos and Burn Notice I realize how awful both leading characters really are. But I think atleast Tony accepts what he is.

Also what happened to the rewatch thread?

I think the guy running it wanted it to be spoiler free? An admirable goal but a little unlikely to garner a lot of reaction, sadly.

banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004




6 is still my least favorite. 6A had too much coma and "johnny cakes" :rolleyes: 6B had too much AJ

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich

zVxTeflon posted:

too much "johnny cakes"

Literally not possible

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Johnny Cakes and his associated cake stories get like 15 minutes of screen time. And it's delicious.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?
How come I'm not makin' fuckin' pots in Peru?

Ishamael
Feb 18, 2004

You don't have to love me, but you will respect me.
Tony did a lot of dumb stuff, but one of his smartest moves was when he sent Patsy to threaten Gloria. It showed a really great understanding of her psyche and was both smart and effective.

"It won't be cinematic."

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Ishamael posted:

and was both smart and effective.
I mean... She did almost immediately kill herself.

I guess that's effective in a way.

haljordan
Oct 22, 2004

the corpse of god is love.






Ishamael posted:

Tony did a lot of dumb stuff, but one of his smartest moves was when he sent Patsy to threaten Gloria. It showed a really great understanding of her psyche and was both smart and effective.

"It won't be cinematic."

I like moments like that on the show. I think it portrays how mobsters threaten people pretty well. Why leave a horse head in a guy's bed when you can have someone like Eugene Pontecorvo show up at a convenience store and have a nice friendly chat with a juror on Junior's trial (who happens to be with his kid)? I mean, what's the guy gonna say to the cops? "Well, he said he was glad I was a juror and then he bought me candy."

haljordan fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Nov 20, 2015

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

"I was at a bar and the guy said he would kill himself!"

Ishamael
Feb 18, 2004

You don't have to love me, but you will respect me.

Steve2911 posted:

I mean... She did almost immediately kill herself.

I guess that's effective in a way.

I didn't say it was KIND, just effective. She never contacted him again, after all.

fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.
What, you're gonna tell me you never pondered that? The back thing with Notre Dame?

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



How long was Phil hiding in the motel closet? I wonder if he enjoyed himself in there.

PerilPastry
Oct 10, 2012

Steve2911 posted:

How long was Phil hiding in the motel closet? I wonder if he enjoyed himself in there.

It's probably fair to say that Phil had been in the closet for years at that point.

banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004




PerilPastry posted:

It's probably fair to say that Phil had been in the closet for years at that point.

http://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=IeL8EYtbVw0&p=n#/196;199

tomapot
Apr 7, 2005
Suppose you're thinkin' about a plate o' shrimp. Suddenly someone'll say, like, plate, or shrimp, or plate o' shrimp out of the blue, no explanation. No point in lookin' for one, either. It's all part of a cosmic unconciousness.
Oven Wrangler

Cole posted:

If I had a spare $5k I would totally put down a bid.

Not even close, it went for almost $120,000

http://www.nj.com/entertainment/celebrities/index.ssf/2015/11/tony_soprano_cadillac_escalade_auction_the_soprano_2.html#incart_river_home

Cole
Nov 24, 2004

DUNSON'D

The minimum bid was $5k the day I clicked it. That's pretty impressive.

tomapot
Apr 7, 2005
Suppose you're thinkin' about a plate o' shrimp. Suddenly someone'll say, like, plate, or shrimp, or plate o' shrimp out of the blue, no explanation. No point in lookin' for one, either. It's all part of a cosmic unconciousness.
Oven Wrangler

Cole posted:

The minimum bid was $5k the day I clicked it. That's pretty impressive.

Sorry I missed that part. Wonder who bought it, if I'll see that driven around Nutley or one of the other Tony-ish towns around here.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



So is there some particular thematic reason cancer comes up so often through the life of the show? Or is it just meant to be a coincidence?

Jackie, Junior, Tony, John, Bobby's dad and Paulie all get or have a brush with it. There's probably a few more that I've forgotten, but gently caress that's a lot of people in one (admittedly huge) social circle to get it.

EDIT: Also having passed the Cleaver premier, it's still a drat silly subplot. The conflict it creates with Tony is great, but it's a sort of camp self-parody that feels really out of place in the show. I know it's not the most unrealistic thing in the world, but it sticks out like a sore thumb. It also takes Carmella and Meadow's self-inflicted ignorance and shines a pretty huge light on it with no effect. I still don't see how people can hate Johnny Cakes but not have a problem with this.

EDIT EDIT: Also is it actually a thing in America for news pundits to discuss and speculate about who's going to take over a mafia family? Is it all pretty much public knowledge?

stev fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Nov 22, 2015

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
the terrible diet + constant smoking seems reason enough

Gay Horney
Feb 10, 2013

by Reene

Steve2911 posted:

So is there some particular thematic reason cancer comes up so often through the life of the show? Or is it just meant to be a coincidence?

Jackie, Junior, Tony, John, Bobby's dad and Paulie all get or have a brush with it. There's probably a few more that I've forgotten, but gently caress that's a lot of people in one (admittedly huge) social circle to get it.

EDIT: Also having passed the Cleaver premier, it's still a drat silly subplot. The conflict it creates with Tony is great, but it's a sort of camp self-parody that feels really out of place in the show. I know it's not the most unrealistic thing in the world, but it sticks out like a sore thumb. It also takes Carmella and Meadow's self-inflicted ignorance and shines a pretty huge light on it with no effect. I still don't see how people can hate Johnny Cakes but not have a problem with this.

EDIT EDIT: Also is it actually a thing in America for news pundits to discuss and speculate about who's going to take over a mafia family? Is it all pretty much public knowledge?

It definitely has been before, in the Gotti days in particular

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



The mafia corrupts society, cancer corrupts your body.

ozza
Oct 23, 2008

That and I think David Chase got a kick out of killing gangsters off with such a mundane, unglamorous method.

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!

Steve2911 posted:

So is there some particular thematic reason cancer comes up so often through the life of the show? Or is it just meant to be a coincidence?



It's all that charcoal- broiled meat you people ate.

potee
Jul 23, 2007

Or, you know.

Not fine.

Bonzo posted:

It's all that charcoal- broiled meat you people ate.

No one told us 'till the 80s!

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goodog
Nov 3, 2007

Steve2911 posted:

So is there some particular thematic reason cancer comes up so often through the life of the show? Or is it just meant to be a coincidence?

Jackie, Junior, Tony, John, Bobby's dad and Paulie all get or have a brush with it. There's probably a few more that I've forgotten, but gently caress that's a lot of people in one (admittedly huge) social circle to get it.



Gangsters mentally prepare themselves for the idea of a sudden, violent death. The idea that you could slowly wither away and die and be unable to stop it is very unnerving for a culture that romanticises themselves as soldiers. It's something that's also brought up on The Wire. It's especially relevant for an organisation that is mostly middle-aged or older.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2Fv-nJCfrk

I think Johnny Sack's cancer might also be a reference to how John Gotti died of throat cancer in prison, looking like a husk of his former self.

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