Star Citizen: Big MoMA's House

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The Kins: Oct 2, 2004

A Neurotic Jew posted:

I think Star Citizen in-particular exploits those who have trouble discerning fantasy from reality

I think it's more people who want to replace reality with fantasy.

There's no crippling debt in space... unless that Roddenberry hack lied to me.

# ? Nov 22, 2015 16:55

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# ? Apr 23, 2024 12:21

Daztek: Jun 2, 2006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbpZuQX1V8g

:iiam:

Edit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTz-zfSF6Dk

quote:

Was flying around the astroid belt fighting peoples or AI (not sure), when I saw (at 1:38) a strange light, changing from blue to red to green...
Tried to reach it using cruise but without success...
It was in fact lights of some fighting occuring million kms away (one of the com array), confirmed when I activated the quantum drive mode (not seen in the video)
If the game take into consideration fights occuring million kilometers away for rendering, it could be a cause of perf issues

Daztek fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Nov 22, 2015

# ? Nov 22, 2015 16:56

EminusSleepus: Sep 28, 2015

Maldoror posted:

Are like any of the people who spent thousands and thousands of dollars on space ships super pissed off if they didn't get an invite to play the 2.0 PTU?

How about that guy who spent what was it $55,000.00... did he get an invite? How about Wulge?

I got an invite and I am pissed that they should rename the game to Crash Citizen because all I get are crashes.

those who did not receive the invite should be thankful.

# ? Nov 22, 2015 16:56

WebDO: Sep 25, 2009

I don't know anything about you other than you're so mad about video games you're paying real money to ~true believer~ as hard as you can to convert rational people to your cult, but I think you've stumbled on a great tagline for the next iteration of this thread so thank you.

# ? Nov 22, 2015 16:59

peter gabriel: Nov 8, 2011; Hello Commandos

CoreFire posted:

"they can't exceed the max map size of the engine without super-extensive modifications." "It would be absolutely insane and time consuming to do that."
The original CryEngineers including the original designer of CryEngine himself spent over 8 months on it. I think that counts as extensive modification. Are you more qualified to be talking about CryEngine modifications compared to the people that have been working on it for 7 years? Or are they all frauds too?

"what Chris has been hinting at and which most people (if you're not a tech) keep missing. They've zoned it. "
Chris has never hinted at it and they've never mentioned anything similar to it within the monthly reports.

"You still need 64-Bit positioning because you still need to calculate that accurately in a game whereby you want to keep everything in sync and accurate."
Despite that sentence barely making any sense, you're saying we need 64-bit positioning on self-contained "zones" that change the origin point on entry and don't exceed CE's size limit & 32-bit precision. Do you even bother reading what you type?

"So, you are going to need 64-Bit positioning precision to avoid problems with objects outside of the 8km range"
Which is what they figured out a year ago and decided to solve....

"visual anomalies which we have been seeing in the PTU 2.0 builds."
Visual anomalies that don't happen consistently, sometimes appear in the small arena commander maps, and don't happen if you launch crusader in single player. I'm pretty sure that's a "bug", derek.

"Especially since it appears (I monitored it in a test I ran yesterday) that they are in fact streaming in the zones."
Geewizz, it's almost as if this is a multiplayer game. What are the chances they're transferring data over a network when you move around?

"In order to even do what I think they've done, they would've had to do something called "world origin rebasing""
That would be a nice explanation if they hadn't already talked about what they did. They moved to a camera-relative system where the camera is always considered the origin point and the world moves around the player. Has been directly mentioned by Chris in interviews along with mentioned a couple times by the germany team in the monthly reports.

"A few people have actually hit a literal brick wall going in one direction that took them to the world extents of the zone."
Any evidence? Haven't seen this at all.

"Hope this helps those who are genuinely interested in the complexities of building massive worlds like this and the challenges presented."
These are your outlandish assumptions that go against the evidence available and imply the F42 Germany team are purposely risking their careers by lying to backers about their work on 64-bit maps and precision. Since making assumptions is what you specialize in, it's no surprise.

Places like Velga (a moon with a large asteroid belt) would simply not work with a traditional zoning system. The area is clearly much, much bigger than a single AC map. Making that area seamless across multiple zones/maps would take a long time to get right. Being able to drop out of Qdrive anywhere on the map relative to the distance you traveled also harms your argument. They're not storing individual zone data for a billion/trillion KM area just in case someone manually jumps to nowhere, that would be an incredible waste of resources.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrMD1mH3vUI

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:02

EminusSleepus: Sep 28, 2015

Cuntpunch posted:

Question: Can't you steal ships? So what happens when the person whose ship you have stolen ~~logs out~~ crashes to desktop?

Yes you can steal ships and that ship will be marked as stolen. The ship is yours and will not matter if the owner logs out or have an epilepsy.

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:02

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK: Sep 11, 2001

CoreFire posted:

-snip-

learn how to use quotes

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:03

Cao Ni Ma: May 25, 2010

CoreFire posted:

-snip-

Serious question what compelled you to pay ten dollars to argue with Derek about this game? I know its probably just a drop in the ocean to what you've spent on the game but that doesn't make it any less stupid.

Do you honestly think you'll change his mind on this matter when you write these loving huge unreadable effort posts. Where did you even read about this thread? Reddit? Some other irrelevant white noise forum?

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:04

DreadLlama: Jul 15, 2005; Not just for breakfast anymore

Why do they have a different computer voice for the hyperdrive? Listen to that video. It's a lady who talks about "bogeys" and landing gear and poo poo. But it's some excited dude voice when that guy comes out of warp.

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:05

Gryphon0468: Oct 3, 2015; ASK ME IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO SUCK OFF CHRIS ROBERTS

D_Smart posted:

Wall of dumb

So, it boils down to you not believing CIG have got 64bit precision or have made the extensive changes they say they have? What the hell do you think they've been doing the past 3 years? The 64 bit is done. Local physics zones within ships is done. The playable area in 2.0 is 1,000,000 x 1,000,000 x 200,000km. It's all real, sorry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB1_IXHIIQ8

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:05

blueberrysmith: May 4, 2006; Dirty Sanchez

CoreFire posted:

words words words

I'm so glad you're here. I've been waiting for this thread to really come to life.

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:06

Gryphon0468: Oct 3, 2015; ASK ME IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO SUCK OFF CHRIS ROBERTS

Maldoror posted:

Are like any of the people who spent thousands and thousands of dollars on space ships super pissed off if they didn't get an invite to play the 2.0 PTU?

How about that guy who spent what was it $55,000.00... did he get an invite? How about Wulge?

It's merit based, according to those most active on AC and in submitting bug reports via the Issue Council. Money doesn't buy you a place.

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:08

OWLS!: Sep 17, 2009; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Gryphon0468 posted:

The playable area in 2.0 is 1,000,000 x 1,000,000 x 200,000km.

Lol, so these nerds can't even figure out how to do multi-AU space with localized grids like CCP did back in two thousand loving three.

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:09

OWLS!: Sep 17, 2009; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Except, you know, Chris Roberts makes CCP look competent, lol.

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:11

OWLS!: Sep 17, 2009; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Gryphon0468 posted:

It's merit based, according to those most active on AC and in submitting bug reports via the Issue Council. Money doesn't buy you a place.

Lol.

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:12

D_Smart: May 11, 2010; by FactsAreUseless; College Slice

CoreFire posted:

*snip*

Clearly the following are true:

1. You're not interested in any meaningful discussion

2. You're not interested in accepting the fact that nothing you say will ever make sense nor be based on reality

3. You're not interested in anything that anyone has to say and which casts any sort of aspersions on your belief that everything with Star Citizen is good, and that we're all wrong

4. You seriously believe that trying to argue with a software developer (one with two Ph.D.s, 30 yrs experience, 16 games of massive scope under his belt) is the best course of action while not offering anything remotely resembling a sensible rebuttal

You're just wasting my time. At least those who are willing to accept that A != B, even if they are fans, are able to engage in meaningful discourse. I don't like wasting my time. So I will leave you alone to play with the others.

ps: The Star Citizen starmap is clear evidence that they've zoned the game world.

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:13

OWLS!: Sep 17, 2009; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

In the star citizen thread, you do not touch the poop. The poop pays lowtax :10bux:

and touches you.

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:14

Gryphon0468: Oct 3, 2015; ASK ME IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO SUCK OFF CHRIS ROBERTS

OWLS! posted:

Lol, so these nerds can't even figure out how to do multi-AU space with localized grids like CCP did back in two thousand loving three.

That's just the area around Crusader, the Gas Giant. Only a tiny part of the whole system of Stanton which has 3 other major planets, and you will be able to travel to them all and other systems when they're ready to progress to that.

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:14

blueberrysmith: May 4, 2006; Dirty Sanchez

D_Smart posted:

So I will leave you alone to play with the others.

I think this is the wrong approach. Keep lighting his fire. Let's see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:14

peter gabriel: Nov 8, 2011; Hello Commandos

Gryphon0468 posted:

What the hell do you think they've been doing the past 3 years?

Parping and selling jpegs

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:15

Stanko-Prussian: May 22, 2006; CLEAN YOUR ROOM!, 'they' said.
DO YOUR HOMEWORK!, 'they' said.
WHY ARE YOU IN LOVE WITH A CARTOON PONY, 'they' said.
FOR GODSAKE! STOP SHOWING US YOUR BLACKHOLE'!! 'they' said.

When I lit the match....STOP SCREAMING, 'I' said

CoreFire posted:

Honestly Derek you should ask Lowtax about getting commission or something at this point.

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:15

OWLS!: Sep 17, 2009; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Gryphon0468 posted:

you will be able to travel to them all and other systems when they're ready to progress to that.

Nope, this game is so objectively poo poo and the only way I'm playing it is if CIG literally pays me more than my hourly rate for IRL work. So I am not going to be able to travel anywhere. CHECKMATE.

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:16

randomcommoner: Sep 6, 2006; it's a-me

I believe in all the terrible game developers: Derek smart, chris robber... I trust them and am in awe of their works. They will save pc gaming.

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:16

OWLS!: Sep 17, 2009; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Also, if I wanted to have a second job IN SPACE I would resub to EvE Online, which is actually, a game.

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:16

Stanko-Prussian: May 22, 2006; CLEAN YOUR ROOM!, 'they' said.
DO YOUR HOMEWORK!, 'they' said.
WHY ARE YOU IN LOVE WITH A CARTOON PONY, 'they' said.
FOR GODSAKE! STOP SHOWING US YOUR BLACKHOLE'!! 'they' said.

When I lit the match....STOP SCREAMING, 'I' said

randomcommoner posted:

I believe in all the terrible game developers: Derek smart, chris robber... I trust them and am in awe of their works. They will save pc gaming.

Amen,, Semper Game's, brother

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:17

D_Smart: May 11, 2010; by FactsAreUseless; College Slice

Daztek posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbpZuQX1V8g

Edit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTz-zfSF6Dk

quote:
Was flying around the astroid belt fighting peoples or AI (not sure), when I saw (at 1:38) a strange light, changing from blue to red to green...
Tried to reach it using cruise but without success...
It was in fact lights of some fighting occuring million kms away (one of the com array), confirmed when I activated the quantum drive mode (not seen in the video)
If the game take into consideration fights occuring million kilometers away for rendering, it could be a cause of perf issues

That's not possible. He's seeing things. The rendering engine would have culled that away and the view frustrum would never - ever - display anything at that distance. It's just not possible. Period. End of story.

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:17

turn off the TV: Aug 4, 2010; moderately annoying

Can I be the guy who drives the space bulldozer that pushes crashed space airplanes off of the space aircraft carrier in Star Citizen?

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:17

peter gabriel: Nov 8, 2011; Hello Commandos

Gryphon0468 posted:

That's just the area around Crusader, the Gas Giant. Only a tiny part of the whole system of Stanton which has 3 other major planets, and you will be able to travel to them all and other systems when they're ready to progress to that.

You just made all that up / wishful thinking.

So yeah when I decorate my third bathroom it's going to be all marble and the toilet will sing Ave Maria everytime you take a poo poo.
Also Dreamcasts as far as the eye can see and the floor will be supermodels and my hair will be supercars.

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:18

OWLS!: Sep 17, 2009; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Fish Fry Andy posted:

Can I be the guy who drives the space bulldozer that pushes crashed space airplanes off of the space aircraft carrier in Star Citizen?

Yes.

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:18

D_Smart: May 11, 2010; by FactsAreUseless; College Slice

Gryphon0468 posted:

quote:
D_Smart posted:
Wall of dumb

So, it boils down to you not believing CIG have got 64bit precision or have made the extensive changes they say they have? What the hell do you think they've been doing the past 3 years? The 64 bit is done. Local physics zones within ships is done. The playable area in 2.0 is 1,000,000 x 1,000,000 x 200,000km. It's all real, sorry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB1_IXHIIQ8

Congratulations. You're now ignored. Nobody who wants to engage in any meaningful discourse, attacks the person they want to talk to. Now gently caress off.

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:20

Fil5000: Jun 23, 2003; HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

peter gabriel posted:

You just made all that up / wishful thinking.

So yeah when I decorate my third bathroom it's going to be all marble and the toilet will sing Ave Maria everytime you take a poo poo.
Also Dreamcasts as far as the eye can see and the floor will be supermodels and my hair will be supercars.

Can I come and poo poo at your house please

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:20

peter gabriel: Nov 8, 2011; Hello Commandos

Fish Fry Andy posted:

Can I be the guy who drives the space bulldozer that pushes crashed space airplanes off of the space aircraft carrier in Star Citizen?

As soon as we implemnt the psysisichchccszzz zzz zzz

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:20

peter gabriel: Nov 8, 2011; Hello Commandos

Fil5000 posted:

Can I come and poo poo at your house please

Yes I will pick you up in my next car which will be a diamond hovercraft

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:20

peter gabriel: Nov 8, 2011; Hello Commandos

Just to make it clear, everyone here is welcome to take a poo poo at my house

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:21

Gryphon0468: Oct 3, 2015; ASK ME IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO SUCK OFF CHRIS ROBERTS

peter gabriel posted:

You just made all that up / wishful thinking.

So yeah when I decorate my third bathroom it's going to be all marble and the toilet will sing Ave Maria everytime you take a poo poo.
Also Dreamcasts as far as the eye can see and the floor will be supermodels and my hair will be supercars.

Believe what you want, i'll be enjoying SC

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:21

OWLS!: Sep 17, 2009; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

~fartz~ hnnnng

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:21

Fil5000: Jun 23, 2003; HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

peter gabriel posted:

Yes I will pick you up in my next car which will be a diamond hovercraft

I will pledge 100 dollars towards your promised bathroom when do you think it will be ready (I just ate spicy food and am anticipating a need to poop)

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:22

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

CoreFire posted:

Learn to quote property, I'm sure everything you wrote was hilarious but it's way too much effort to try and understand that unfortunate arrangement words.

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:22

OWLS!: Sep 17, 2009; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Gryphon0468 posted:

Believe what you want, i'll be enjoying SC

Then go enjoy it. Isn't it so much fun?

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:22

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# ? Apr 23, 2024 12:21

peter gabriel: Nov 8, 2011; Hello Commandos

Gryphon0468 posted:

Believe what you want, i'll be enjoying SC

As will I you plonker

# ? Nov 22, 2015 17:22

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