D_Smart posted:

I get that. But we're talking about Star Citizen whereby none of that is being simulated. Which was my original point.

XK posted:

They should be trying. Basic physics of inertia is a fundamental thing a space flight sim should be trying to target. A player jumping out the bay during high speed flight should stay right next to the vehicle he dropped out of, unless it's currently accelerating/decelerating.

My only complaint was you seemed to assert they shouldn't have the player maintain the ship's velocity. If that's incorrect, then we have no disagreement.

Pittsburgh Lambic posted:

Descent: Freespace and Freespace 2 had bombers that absolutely worked along those lines: slow, lumbering ships that were a bit larger than fighters, were more heavily armored and sometimes had turret mounts that automatically fired at enemy fighters, as well as firing "bombs" that were indeed glorified missiles only effective against capital ships (except for specialized antifighter ordnance like cluster bombs). They were pretty rad, and worked in the Freespace series largely because that series was about pre-scripted space battles against NPC opponents, where balancing was about making individual battles suitably challenging to the player by tweaking ship specs and adjusting the number of allies and opponents.

It's a decent ship concept for space battle games as far as I'm concerned, but you're right that it really doesn't justify expanding the scope of Star Citizen again and adding a new plethora of balancing and testing issues again. X3: Albion Prelude had anti-capital ship missiles as well, and handled them very cleanly, by just adding to the list of missiles that some of the ships could load rather than by doing a cash grab.

tooterfish posted:

The basic physics of inertia says that the pilots should be reduced to paste if the ship accelerates like that. And at those velocities they should also be subject to noticeable relativistic effects, if we want to go the realistic route.

I have an idea, maybe it's some kind of magic inertialess warp drive and jumping out of the ship removes you from the warp field and returns you to normal space.

There, problem solved. Lets move the gently caress on.

D_Smart posted:

Yup.

But that's not what we're discussing here.

My point is that, like with most games, that type of ordnance is specialized. It works with a pre-existing system. e.g. want to see how many missiles (all of which do different things) are in Battlecruiser/Universal Combat? Look here. Including massively devastating Orbit To Surface ordnance. All with unique characteristics (physics, warhead etc). But still basically missiles.

In Star Citizen, unlike other games (e.g. Freespace), they've upped the ante of ridiculousness only so that now, torpedos are a special item that requires a special bay blah, blah - all of which you have to buy.

Justin Tyme posted:

Yeah that's what I was thinking too, but I don't think the planets and stuff are a part of the skybox because they're actual objects and someone here posted you can fly around them if you are patient enough. If it is just another zone, it would have to take those object and move them in space relative to the direction you are flying.

XK posted:

which is immersion breaking for people paying $2,500 for space ships.

D_Smart posted:

I get that. But we're talking about Star Citizen whereby none of that is being simulated. Which was my original point.

warcrimes posted:

Also, are you implying you have to play real monies for torpedoes?

trucutru posted:

My immersion! *clears tears with a monogrammed golden anime kleenex*

warcrimes posted:

Explain to me how torpedoes cause "expanding the scope of Star Citizen"? Or do you mean bombers?

Pittsburgh Lambic posted:

Similar issues arise with Star Citizen, the way I see it.

A Neurotic Jew posted:

So what are the missions like in the Alpha so far?

is there anything beyond a variant of; go to this abandoned place, press the action button on a monitor, return to ship, good work citizen?

Jon Do posted:

no way, it's easy as poo poo to implement and balance a jpeg

AP posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNoJj2VJjuw

Guy activates an uplink for one of the mission things and he sounds so incredibly happy that I totally forgive him for quoting his referral code.

A Neurotic Jew posted:

So what are the missions like in the Alpha so far?

is there anything beyond a variant of; go to this abandoned place, press the action button on a monitor, return to ship, good work citizen?

MilesK posted:

Pittsburgh Lambic posted:

See, that was easy as poo poo. Nobody's going to pay for it though, because I didn't actually make GIANT SPACE TORPEDOES: THE GAME; all I did was poo poo out a bunch of words.

Pittsburgh Lambic posted:

I mean giant loving ship-sized torpedoes that require new ship types and new ship equipment just to carry around and fire. That's a hell of a lot of stuff to integrate into the larger game and balance to the point that they're viable without being overpowered. Case in point, EVE Online added stealth bombers awhile back and they were useless for many years, then they got reworked and became hideously overpowered when used a certain way, completely reshaping fleet battles in that game, and other ships had to be balanced further to counteract the effect that stealth bombers were suddenly having. The balancing and rebalancing continues to this day. When EVE adds a ship, they have to consider how it works with every other ship already in the game, then when they add another ship, they have to balance with every other ship already in the game including the last one they added. Similar issues arise with Star Citizen, the way I see it.

Pittsburgh Lambic posted:

Pretty much that; they sidestep the whole issue of balancing because they're not advertising a game, or even a ship in that game, or even a loving ship part in that game. They're advertising and selling a game concept, and you're absolutely right that that's easy as poo poo to do.



Hey everybody, I'm going to make a game called GIANT SPACE TORPEDOES: THE GAME! In GIANT SPACE TORPEDOES: THE GAME you play an astronaut in a futuristic space battlefield full of huge capital ships firing torpedoes the size of smaller spaceships! Look at the size of those torpedoes, man!

As a space soldier fighting for one space empire in this battle, your job is to fly your ship up alongside one of these hilariously large torpedoes, get out of your ship, board the torpedo, and perform one of a number of torpedo-related missions! Sometimes you need to navigate it to its target for some reason I'll figure out later, other times you have to disarm it, other times you have to redirect it to hit a different capital ship! All of this is done as the torpedo is flying through space and lasers are pew-pewing all around and massive ships filled with entire armies of hapless crewmen are blown to smithereens!

What's this? Watch out, another enemy astronaut has boarded your torpedo! Exciting multiplayer action ensues on a cylindrical battlefield environment with over 15 different astronaut weapons!



See, that was easy as poo poo. Nobody's going to pay for it though, because I didn't actually make GIANT SPACE TORPEDOES: THE GAME; all I did was poo poo out a bunch of words. From the looks of things, Star Citizen backers would and are paying large sums of money for "ship concepts" that amount to a comparable amount of effort to what I just did, and that's just hosed.

OWLS! posted:

See, I would unironically play the poo poo out of htis though.

AP posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPHH5F9Jfys


haha, watch that.

trucutru posted:

I'm beginning to think that it's going to be more effective to steal a JPEG than to pay $375 for it.

Can't wait.