AP posted:

They're in the new office, so should be fun to see if there is another tour after they've bought/moved everything.

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EUROGAMER: Inside Star Citizen's grey market
(9/10/2014)

...Roberts' vision for all of this is that it occurs inside the game - on in-universe. But really we shouldn't be surprised that Star Citizen trading has already established itself outside of it. By manufacturing the rarity of these ships CIG has inflated their perceived value.

Perceived is the operative word here. Unlike say, CCP's Eve Online, which has a working, well-established universe in which players invest a huge amount of time gathering resources in order to manufacture ships that can be used, right now, in huge space battles or to fuel a complex game of virtual politics, Star Citizen currently trades off of pie in the sky economics. Until the persistent universe is up and running, there are no game mechanics involved in determining the rarity of ships. They're rare because CIG says they are.

"It's kind of cool in the fact it's real-world economics at work," Roberts says of Star Citizen's grey market.

"But it wasn't intentional. It fell out of something we did as a creative design decision to make sure the persistent universe isn't unbalanced."

For now, then, Star Citizen's grey market rumbles on, services such as Kane's Megastore continue to thrive, and the money keeps on flooding into CIG's coffers. The Roberts Space Industries website tracker shows how much money is being made on an hourly basis. I'm looking at it now and in the last hour players spent $6836. On 27th September 2014 $451,701 was made. For the whole of September just over $2.7m boosted the bank balance. Roberts tells me Star Citizen will be finished - in that it'll be feature complete and stuck together to form a cohesive whole - at some point in 2016. I remember a video game developer once telling me it may be in Roberts' best interest never to release Star Citizen, the way things are going.

"The party has to end sometime," Nigel says. "But the game seems a long way off, so I expect things to last."

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IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: We are currently reviewing all commissions based on the current market changes and will contact every partner through 'StarHangarCommission' to adjust prices accordingly.

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[–] rotsihylop 1 day ago
are you getting out of SC or still want to make some profit? I might pay $1000 including fee for the Idris M.

[–] OSUBUCKEYE2013 1 day ago
I paid $2500+

[–] rotsihylop 1 day ago
well price went up and fall down very hard now, I will wait for future discounted package that includes Idris M, good luck with the price you are asking for...

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[–] Citizen4Life 11 days ago
Which just shows how bad things are right now, IMHO. I used to be able to sell Idris-P accounts with nothing on them for $2300 (and they sold fast, as that was on the low end). M's were going for upwards of 5k at their height.

Recently I sold my original backer account with EVERYTHING you could possibly want. All extras, badges, 14k spent, 31 months of paid Imperator subscription, and Idris-P and Physical Collector's edition Colonel pack with S. Hornet upgrade. I sold it at a LOSS. I couldn't even get 2k for it, when even a few months ago I would have gotten at LEAST 3k.

It's definitely a buyer's market these days, but I'm utterly amazed at the hit that Idris and even other limited ships have taken.

There are a lot of factors, but I think that everyone that still wanted an Idris bought that War pack that was just sold for 2.5k. When you added up the cost of the Idris and all the other ships, it actually came out to be a SAVINGS over buying the ships individually. Anyone who didn't already have one but had the money bought those up ASAP, and there was no limit.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

October 9, day after I was permaprobated.

Demiurge4 posted:

My refund just came through after almost two months. I can finally breathe easy I guess. Since this was money already spent, I decided to at least do something useful with a chunk of it and holy poo poo I'm free!

Stealth Like posted:

what's the point of buying all these ships anyway? dont you play games to, you know, like get better stuff and whatnot? If I started a game with the best stuff available I'd probably play for a few minutes and then be like oh this is boring and quit.

G0RF posted:

Chalks posted:

So are you actually asking for a refund in your ticket or are you querying their moderation and they're so snowed under they can't even read support requests and just assume everything is a refund?

Jst0rm posted:

god forbid people play a game with the lovely starter ship first and play the game to get better stuff.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

I asked that if the ban was upheld that they refund the remainder of the one year subscription I had purchased in April, since they had unfairly removed the majority of the subscription's value by removing my ability to ask 104TC questions.

Beet Wagon posted:

You mean the insane speculative market of re-selling hypothetical digital goods for an unreleased space game turned out to be incredibly volatile? I am shocked and dismayed.

G0RF posted:

I actually think the volatility is going to recede with the commoditization of former limited-edition ships. The real volatility will re-center in the Trouble Ticket queue at CIG-- as more and more space whales force them to refund heap big bucks on ships deceptively sold as "exclusives" and "one time sale only" autism chariots...

G0RF posted:

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Star Citizen Trades

[DISCUSS] Houston Do We Have a Problem?

►►► STAR Hangar ◄◄◄ ∙the∙ place to buy or sell ships! - Massive price drop!

[WTS] Idris M LTI (giftable) $2990...

Having a dickens of a time selling my account-bound M for $1999...

AP posted:

AnniVERSEary Sale: Racers



They missed a trick not having an expensive number limited luxury racer, possibly going to fall further being on 500k/day.

(VAT 20% on above price.)

Jethro_E7 posted:

The article is worth a read, but was back in the hightide of the grey market.

Beet Wagon posted:

Yeah but if you time it right you might be able to make a killing by investing in "Are you sure" emails and then dumping them right before the last of the whales gets out and the market crashes.

Maybe even enough to afford that Completionist Pack....

G0RF posted:

Whale noises

Chalks posted:

My prediction is that we're going to see a really amusing flip in position of this forum and the SC die hards when the game eventually comes out. I think people in this thread who have rightly criticised the game might actually end up buying it if it turns out to be a kinda fun space game. They'll probably grief some people and have fun doing it and probably mellow in their attitude towards CIG before moving on to something else. On the other hand, the die hards with their $5,000 investments will become furious with CIG for taking their money and not delivering the next coming of Jesus Christ in spaceship form. Their delusion that CIG could ever deliver this will be diverted into demonisation of CIG for throwing away the opportunity.

Madcosby posted:

I feel there's a bit of a feeling of defeat by people in this thread with regards to the 2.0 build. Aside from the crashes, 2.0 is relatively a game - it's got ships and quests and destinations to go to.

I think some of the new "recovered" goons are a bit taken aback by this. It suddenly looks like Roberts is getting somewhere with this game.

Iglocska posted:

The idea is (if they don't mess it up of course...) that no matter which ship you start with, it will be poo poo since you'll have crappy equipment. Sure, with ships doing the same thing (for example a Hull B vs a Hull C or whatever the bigger transport is), the bigger will be better from the get go, but most of the ships have distinct roles and advantages where the expensive equipment will be the progression curve.

Of course I bet they will prove me wrong in the end and the more expensive ships will be flat out better, but let's hope not

Stealth Like posted:

I doubt there's much to worry about. They've nailed everything on the head so far.

I can't wait to be playing the full game next year. What's that saying in development? "The first 10% takes 90% of the time, the last 90% takes 10% of the time"?