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Gonzo McFee posted:Every podcast with talent who talk candidly about the creative process kind of makes you realise anything good that's on screen has nothing to do with creative and was probably fought against. Seriously. I still don't think they REALLY understand why they were so popular in the 1998-2001 period, as evidenced by the fact that "Evil Authority Figure" is STILL a thing today.
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projecthalaxy posted:David D. from over at Uproxx had a really good piece a while back about how Sasha Banks and the New Day are the first black characters that actually talk and act like he and his peers do, and that he wouldn't have to have a long explanatory conversation with his son about. I see what he's getting at, though I'd argue that New Day's current incarnation takes a fair bit of explaining.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 19:16 |
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dsriggs posted:Seriously. I still don't think they REALLY understand why they were so popular in the 1998-2001 period, as evidenced by the fact that "Evil Authority Figure" is STILL a thing today.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 19:43 |
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What they learned from the attitude era was that people love McMahon family bullshit and will continue to love McMahon family bullshit regardless of all evidence to the contrary.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 19:45 |
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Gonzo McFee posted:What they learned from the attitude era was that people love McMahon family bullshit and will continue to love McMahon family bullshit regardless of all evidence to the contrary. My favourite McMahon family bullshit is when they actually turned Linda heel on JR.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 19:54 |
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sticklefifer posted:I see what he's getting at, though I'd argue that New Day's current incarnation takes a fair bit of explaining. Super positive guys to the point of being obnoxious. Super easy to explain.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 19:57 |
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quote:It's funny, when Billy Corgan first joined TNA, he mentioned that he wanted to see wrestling, and the promotion in particular, become part of pop culture - a mainstream phenomenon embraced by the masses for its relevant and socially aware characters and stories. I have a strong feeling that Corgan is somewhere smiling right now just thinking of the opportunities that will come because of TNA's deal with Pop. http://www.tnamecca.com/2015/11/tna-tuesday-randomania.html Billy Corgan has made one appearance for TNA since he signed on with them. One.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 19:58 |
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triplexpac posted:I think Xavier even said he would ask for his release if New Day didn't work out. I may be misremembering though! That was Kofi, because before New Day he'd been stuck doing nothing but Rumble spots for years. e: He also didn't say he'd ask for a release, but strongly implied it.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 19:59 |
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As a black nerdy mother fucker Xavier is basically my spirit animal living my dream.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 20:00 |
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St Evan Echoes posted:Say what you like about Vince, the man knew (at the time) that the fans wanted him to show rear end almost every week, and he delivered Yeah, what succeeded wasn't Evil Authority Figure on its own, it was that despite being Evil Authority Figure, Vince was never afraid to be on the run or have the top face one step ahead, or in Austin's case completely unafraid to get fined, arrested, or fired for kicking his rear end. This isn't the case now: HHH sold Roman's spear like it was mild indigestion, Stephanie got a mild arm tweak from a non-contracted UFC fighter, and their big downfall last year was built in short order and only lasted a couple months. Really the only consistent comeuppance of the Authority was Seth losing matches by proxy. Vince was scared of Austin. H and Steph are never booked to be afraid of anyone.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 20:04 |
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sticklefifer posted:Vince was scared of Austin. H and Steph are never booked to be afraid of anyone. Why would the rear end kicker be afraid of anyone???
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 20:14 |
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"Some people call me the Asskicker." -HHH "I'm the Asskicker." -HHH, the day before
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 20:24 |
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sticklefifer posted:Yeah, what succeeded wasn't Evil Authority Figure on its own, it was that despite being Evil Authority Figure, Vince was never afraid to be on the run or have the top face one step ahead, or in Austin's case completely unafraid to get fined, arrested, or fired for kicking his rear end. I'm probably wrong, but this is the Stupid Wrestling Fan Opinion thread, so gently caress it. I think the rise of Austin has more to do with people's dislike of "corporate" people & images & "the system" rather than anything else. What they should've learned: People hate being told what to say and what to do. They'll react positively to a guy who does what he wants & is successful at the same time. What they actually 'learned': "Goddamn, the McMahon's are great TV!" "Who in the world doesn't want to punch their boss in the face, am I right?" Meanwhile they, without irony, do many of the things that people hate corporations doing like language policing, promoting unworthy workers due to personal connections & exhibiting an overreliance on social media as a marketing tool.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 20:32 |
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That's probably the least offensive opinion to have so I'm not sure why you think it's controversial in the slightest.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 20:33 |
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Lady Naga posted:That's probably the least offensive opinion to have so I'm not sure why you think it's controversial in the slightest. It isn't controversial at all, it's just poorly thought out & probably incorrect.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 20:34 |
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It all boils down to telling a story in a competent way. Wrestling is meant to be very simple storytelling at it's core: babyface is up against unbeatable odds and wins in the end. We all got sick of Cena and joked about "how can he possibly beat these odds?!" but hey Cena is the biggest star they've made in forever so obviously it works. This poo poo we have now with "bad guys are always smarter and better than everyone else" is really, really bad storytelling.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 20:37 |
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Have a little confidence dsriggs
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 20:38 |
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triplexpac posted:We all got sick of Cena and joked about "how can he possibly beat these odds?!" but hey Cena is the biggest star they've made in forever so obviously it works. Cena's the biggest star because they made him at the expense of everybody else. They fed him everybody & he doesn't even come close to Rock or Austin or whatever in star power.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 20:39 |
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dsriggs posted:Cena's the biggest star because they made him at the expense of everybody else. They fed him everybody & he doesn't even come close to Rock or Austin or whatever in star power. Well that's part of building a big main event star? You don't get over by going 50-50 all the time, a babyface hero has to win in the end otherwise he's Roman Reigns. I'm just talking about WWE style booking, indies and other more "sport" focused feds can get away with doing whatever.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 20:43 |
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How can i get roman reigns more over with the crowd? I'll have the PPV end with him crying like a bitch. -Vince Mcmahon
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 22:31 |
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triplexpac posted:It all boils down to telling a story in a competent way. Wrestling is meant to be very simple storytelling at it's core: babyface is up against unbeatable odds and wins in the end. The only idea they have for back and forth is "one guy wins match, then loses next match". The Wyatts/BoD poo poo is the epitome of how bad they are at writing something. Bray and gang kidnap Kane and Undertaker and say he's totally getting powerful off sucking them off or whatever. Then a few weeks later for no reason Kane and Undertaker show up and effortlessly beat them up. Then they send their sheep army of druids in and Kane and Undertaker effortlessly beat them up. Then the match comes and Kane and Undertaker effortlessly beat up the Wyatts again. At no point was there a struggle where you thought "the good guys might lose". It was just "look at these idiots flail against the mighty Undertaker and his brother the mighty Kane" and, they're right, The Wyatts are giant idiot losers and probably also virgins.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 22:54 |
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St Evan Echoes posted:Say what you like about Vince, the man knew (at the time) that the fans wanted him to show rear end almost every week, and he delivered well when you have an rear end as good as billy gunn's on the roster, you gotta give the people what they want
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 23:00 |
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BUBBA GAY DUDLEY posted:At no point was there a struggle where you thought "the good guys might lose". It was just "look at these idiots flail against the mighty Undertaker and his brother the mighty Kane" and, they're right, The Wyatts are giant idiot losers and probably also virgins. That feud felt like them chickening out. The first week or so was awesome because holy poo poo the Wyatts kidnapped Taker and Kane. Then it was like they pretended it never happened, except they didn't pretend it didn't happen, they just returned to status quo immediately while handwaving "uh, I guess Bray was lying". It almost seems like the writers got a cool idea through but then Vince turned around and said "We can't do that, dammit! It's his 25th anniversary!"
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 23:48 |
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Wyatts vs BOD still wasn't booked worse than Awesome Truth vs Cena and Rock from 2011.
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# ? Nov 24, 2015 23:56 |
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I reckon I could take the Asskicker HHH because he would take five minutes walking around me pulling faces after every punch.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 00:02 |
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Gonzo McFee posted:I reckon I could take the Asskicker HHH because he would take five minutes walking around me pulling faces after every punch. Until he hit you with a sledgehammer that would literally murder you.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 00:23 |
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sticklefifer posted:Until he hit you with a sledgehammer that would literally murder you. He'd work the sledgehammer shot, he's too much of a pro not to.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 00:29 |
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NickRoweFillea posted:I will admit that I was one of those people. But I have seen the light now. I liked all 3 guys i didnt like the churchy party of the gimmick but i loved everything else.
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 02:16 |
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It gave us Cole doing the whitest dance at the announce table so it wasn't all bad
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# ? Nov 25, 2015 09:51 |
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What do they consider better than being part of literally the best thing in the product in recent months?
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# ? Nov 26, 2015 16:57 |
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3 minute matches where he loses to Bo Dallas, I assume.
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# ? Nov 26, 2015 17:46 |
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# ? Nov 26, 2015 18:31 |
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stay tuned. please god stay tuned
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# ? Nov 26, 2015 19:08 |
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I'm sure POPTV is looking for "ratings winner" in slots it doesn't pay the production company for
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# ? Nov 26, 2015 19:17 |
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quote:BigDawg801 Moderator • 29 minutes ago Imagine RT'ing Happy Thanksgiving on Thanksgiving
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# ? Nov 26, 2015 19:48 |
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Stone Cold Steve Austin will be celebrating Thanksgiving today too... Can we expect Cold Stone Steven Austins in the impact zone?!?!
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# ? Nov 26, 2015 19:59 |
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I fully expect to see Mark Braddox in the Impact Zone very soon.
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# ? Nov 27, 2015 00:07 |
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I don't understand how some people don't see that New Day is legit the best part of the product right now.
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 03:20 |
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To be fair, it would be pretty cool if we had the New Day AND a few other black wrestlers who were taken (and portrayed) more seriously at the top of the card.
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 03:47 |
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lotta good opinions in the stupid opinions thread
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