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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:The sad thing is, I can actually check that; both Spider-Man and Power Man (which is what he was going by at the time this game came out) are listed at a Strength of INCREDIBLE (40), which isn't tied to a specific lifting ability but is more of an abstraction. Each does the same amount of damage with a punch, at least. That's not sad, I'm impressed with both of us.
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I only accept Marvel Universe trading cards when discussing relative strength/power/intelligence levels of characters.
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I think we can all agree that Luke Cage's energy projection is a 1 at best.
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Nov 21, 2015 16:59
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Ror posted:Has Superman's cellophane S power from Superman 2 ever been referenced or used in the comics, jokingly or not? I want to say there was something in Geoff Johns' Action Comics. He doesn't use it to capture someone, but it has some other purpose. Or it could have been in the post Loeb Superman/Batman, but I know it's out there.
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Travis343 posted:I think we can all agree that Luke Cage's energy projection is a 1 at best. Someone should do something with that and have Luke Cage shoot a little tiny beam in the middle of a fight. Marvel please hire me for the next What The? volume.
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redbackground posted:Are his eyes normal, though? Or does he have Superman-esque invulnerable eyes too (a la that scene in Superman Returns)? Just his skin I believe.
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Skwirl posted:Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe is bullshit, so many things in that are directly contradicted in comics that come both before and after it. The guy who wrote a lot of those plays Marvel Heroes and he's the worst.
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Travis343 posted:I think we can all agree that Luke Cage's energy projection is a 1 at best. Someone clearly hasn't seen Jessica Jones yet.
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Senior Woodchuck posted:He alive, dammit. It's a miracle!
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Aphrodite posted:The guy who wrote a lot of those plays Marvel Heroes and he's the worst. It could be inferred that he's the worst based on those handbooks he wrote being also the worst.
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He's also the guy who brought back the "Cyclops eye portals" thing after it had long been forgotten.
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Aphrodite posted:He's also the guy who brought back the "Cyclops eye portals" thing after it had long been forgotten. Just think about how badly he's loving up that other universe. Like, if the red beams ever run out is he going to shoot out trucks, or a preschool?
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Aphrodite posted:He's also the guy who brought back the "Cyclops eye portals" thing after it had long been forgotten. Holy gently caress is this stupid. 
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Nov 22, 2015 02:18
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Apparently the guy who wrote that one made up a bunch of stuff for powers that he felt didn't make sense or weren't adequately explained. It was never referenced in the comics and so never really canon, but the Marvel Heroes guy (he calls himself Comixfan) wrote the X-Men guide years later and brought it back up.
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The jokey thread about rejected storylines got me thinking, what are some examples of some intriguing/good storylines we know of that were rejected for whatever reason?
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Twilight of the Superheroes Superman 2000 e: And by googling both of those together, I found a couple of articles with more unrealized pitches: here's one article, and here's the other. Plus the original, abandoned Emerald Twilight. Squizzle fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Nov 22, 2015 |
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Nov 22, 2015 03:27
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The greatest story never told. Dazzler: Big in Attilan. http://kierongillen.tumblr.com/post/84925044142/dazzler-big-in-attilan
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Aphrodite posted:Apparently the guy who wrote that one made up a bunch of stuff for powers that he felt didn't make sense or weren't adequately explained. It's actually worse, in this case there was already an explanation in the comics that the writer of that article just missed. And we know they just missed it, because they removed the "eye portal" thing in the second edition of the Handbook; it wasn't forgotten, it was corrected away. http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2013/09/27/comic-book-legends-revealed-438/3/
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Squizzle posted:Twilight of the Superheroes While a lot of the Superman 2000 pitch seemed to make sense from a narrative point of view, I don't see any justification for making Supes more powerful. I mean, isn't one of the inherent problems with Superman that he's basically a god fighting mortals? They say they're making him 3x stronger and more intelligent, but don't really say why...
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HorseHeadBed posted:While a lot of the Superman 2000 pitch seemed to make sense from a narrative point of view, I don't see any justification for making Supes more powerful. I mean, isn't one of the inherent problems with Superman that he's basically a god fighting mortals? They say they're making him 3x stronger and more intelligent, but don't really say why... If it works for Goku it's good enough for Superman, as my grandpa always used to say.
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HorseHeadBed posted:While a lot of the Superman 2000 pitch seemed to make sense from a narrative point of view, I don't see any justification for making Supes more powerful. I mean, isn't one of the inherent problems with Superman that he's basically a god fighting mortals? They say they're making him 3x stronger and more intelligent, but don't really say why... It's only a problem if you have him fighting mortals.
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Superman shouldn't be in a situation where it matters how strong he is.  He has All The Strong (and All The Fast, and All The Tough). A good Superman challenge should involve how to navigate idealism through the ambiguities of a morally complicated reality. I'm also cool with them being therapy for the reader/writer. fakey fake edit: For instance, Mongul's whole thing is that he's swole enough to stand up to Superman in a straight physical fight, but the best Mongul story (and one of the better Superman stories), For the Man Who Has Everything, puts very little of the tension on the Superman/Mongul fist-fight. The drama comes from Original Writer being scared, sad, and angry about Thatcher's Britain, and the question of whether or not Superman can help OW deal with those feelings before Mongul murders Batman and Robin. real edit: Obviously, some big, uncomplicated punch-up stories aren't a problem, but they should be the exception.
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HorseHeadBed posted:While a lot of the Superman 2000 pitch seemed to make sense from a narrative point of view, I don't see any justification for making Supes more powerful. I mean, isn't one of the inherent problems with Superman that he's basically a god fighting mortals? They say they're making him 3x stronger and more intelligent, but don't really say why... This story basically sounds like proto All-Star Superman so you can read that to get an idea of it.
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ImpAtom posted:This story basically sounds like proto All-Star Superman so you can read that to get an idea of it.
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I love this discussion. Please keep doing it for ten more pages. And For the Man Who Has Everything mag be the best single issue of a comic book ever.
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Aphrodite posted:The guy who wrote a lot of those plays Marvel Heroes and he's the worst. For a second I thought you were talking poo poo about either Mark Gruenwald or Peter Sanderson and I was ready to cut you.
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Nov 24, 2015 14:39
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The encyclopedias are never written by actual comic book writers.
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Aphrodite posted:The encyclopedias are never written by actual comic book writers. The original was written by Mark Gruenwald
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Anymore.
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DC's Who's Who series in the 90's was outstanding because Mark Waid was obsessive about it.
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There are more ways to temporarily shut down mutant powers than I can count. Did any story ever address why Rogue didn't try using any of them on a regular basis? Even if it was just Rogue looking directly through at the fourth wall and saying that we shouldn't think about that.
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I think the most you'd ever get is that it'd be sorta creepy for Rogue to have Leech sitting outside her bedroom door or putting on a literal slave collar before she has sex.
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Does it have to be a big collar, though? Redesign it as a belt and bring belted sweater dresses back into style at the nightclubs.
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The X-Men have a guy who can build literally anything, and they were on the team together for a significant period of time. Surely he could have thought "how about I build a small ring with a button that can turn mutant powers on and off?"
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CapnAndy posted:I think the most you'd ever get is that it'd be sorta creepy for Rogue to have Leech sitting outside her bedroom door or putting on a literal slave collar before she has sex. The Leech thing is only a problem because he will never age. If he was an adult he could make a killing providing that service.
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If Rogue touches Nightcrawler, does she turn blue and demon-ey?
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Aphrodite posted:If Rogue touches Nightcrawler, does she turn blue and demon-ey? No, because she only absorbs mutant powers, not demon DNA.
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Endless Mike posted:The X-Men have a guy who can build literally anything, and they were on the team together for a significant period of time. Surely he could have thought "how about I build a small ring with a button that can turn mutant powers on and off?" Forge was introduced as a guy working with the government specifically to build a "turn Rogue's powers off" gun. He accidentally shot Storm with it, and learned a valuable lesson about knock on effects.
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I know, but surely if he can build a gun that gets rid of powers permanently, he can make a device that does it temporarily.
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HitTheTargets posted:Forge was introduced as a guy working with the government specifically to build a "turn Rogue's powers off" gun. He accidentally shot Storm with it, and learned a valuable lesson about knock on effects. Turning off a mutant's powers causes them to radically alter their hairstyle.
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