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Jestah
Dec 7, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Yolomon Wayne posted:

In the meantime ive discovered that since the last time i fired up ED, you can now in fact install additional fuel tanks in internal module slots.
I also traded my dropship for an Assault Ship and went to do some actual space combat instead of staring at 500$ jpgs.

I strongly consider dropping 5 bucks for a palette of 6 paint jobs for my cobra, am i a bad person?

Is Elite Dangerous worth the AAA price tag?

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Sarsapariller
Aug 14, 2015

Occasional vampire queen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogczl5FgklA

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer
:lesnick: hasn't posted in 12 days.

Nichole "Batgirl" D'Angelo's last daily AC 2.0 video was 5 days ago



3 million to go, 4 sale days left.

[Using the crowd funding spreadsheet and assuming I didn't do anything stupid.]

November 2015 total so far $2,868,781

5 days in November left. Assume 300k per day remaining, they'll likely do better but I do see possible early signs of internal morale failing, so very possible they don't have a nice video of the phoenix to show on Around the Verse and therefore gently caress this day's sale up.

November 2013 $7,880,937
November 2014 $6,123,928
November 2015 $4,400,000 (estimated)

A better result of 400k a day and giving an extra sale day would still see them below 5 million in November 2015, ~1 month after showing SQ42, social module &, AC 2.0. Funding is drying up and it's a long time on 1-2 million per month until they try to force something out the door in May 2016.

Iglocska
Nov 23, 2015

Jestah posted:

Is Elite Dangerous worth the AAA price tag?

I found it to be horribly boring and grindy after a while, but you get to fly around in space and the scenery is cool. Is it worth it compared to some cheaper games like Legacy of the Void? Hell no. Is it worth it when compared to what else you can do for $50? Hell yes.

Also, landing on planetoids sounds cool in Horizons.

Iglocska fucked around with this message at 10:39 on Nov 26, 2015

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Gryphon0468 posted:

Yeah, people are staring to realize SC may actually live up to its promise after all now that Alpha 2.0 is out and are now changing their tune to "oh it's ok I win either way I totally new the game will release and be good I'm just trolling".

I think you might be misreading the general tone of the thread.

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Jestah posted:

Is Elite Dangerous worth the AAA price tag?

It's going for 15 bux on steam's black friday sale.

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




AP posted:

So Phoenix sale on Thursday, screengrab from the original August 2014 sale below.



Laugh at Pity the poor fools who thought they were spending $350 for something that people wouldn't be able to buy later? Consider those who bought the "Limited Earlybird edition" for $1000, "limited to 200 units".

Still at least they all got a limited-edition Sentinel 88G space Piano, be the envy of all your friends, unless CIG sell that again too.

What form does space luxury at $350 take? Behold the Phoenix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdC6uJ2PdxM&t=203s

Redesigned Phoenix has not been shown yet, but if I was picking a day to show it and tell people it would be added to 2.0 soon, I'd do it on your favourite tv show, now in season 2 "Reverse the Verse", tune in every Thursday.

Oh man, they're redesigning the hot tub ship? That was the best. It had this great "future as imagined by the 1970s" decorating vibe. And the luxurious captain's quarters with the king size bed is in the middle of the ship, so on duty crew that want to go from the bridge to engineering have to pass through the bedroom and hot tub area where he's entertaining his space babes. If anyone wants to watch the space TV, you can't go from the front of the ship to the back at all, because when the TV drops into place between the bar and hot tub it completely blocks the hall. It was an amazing mess.

Chalks
Sep 30, 2009

Gryphon0468 posted:

Yeah, people are staring to realize SC may actually live up to its promise after all now that Alpha 2.0 is out and are now changing their tune to "oh it's ok I win either way I totally new the game will release and be good I'm just trolling".

This is pretty dependant on your definition of "what was promised" don't you think?

For example, do you think what was promised will live up to a $2,000 price tag?

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer

Jestah posted:

Is Elite Dangerous worth the AAA price tag?

Strongly depends on
a) what youre looking for
and
b) if you are solo or have a group

If youre looking for x-wing vs. tie-fighter style, no. Nothing like that. Its not arcady, its very sim-y. Ive lost a few million bucks to lazy landings or takeoffs, simply because its not handholding you. Like crashing my loving clipper with 50 tons of platinum into the docks because i was tired and wanted to do one more run and misjudged the acceleration of my new thrusters. Combat is... how to put it, "clean". Not very flashy crash-boom-bangy. If youve played Star Conflict, its the exact opposite of that. Everything you do, from a cargo run to a pirate hunt is a meassured, calculated and executed affair rather than "just played" if you know what i mean.

If youre solo, it can get a bit boring. In a group its awesome.
Even flying escort in 2 vipers for a python with a cargo hold full of rare ore thats all of a sudden being pulled out of hyperdrive by a pirate-anaconda with 2 support cobras is when the game is worth every cent.
When doing 6 hours of uninterrupted cargo-runs for money, it can get stale. But then again, its your fault for not blowing things to bits instead.

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Also, good god Alpha 2.0 looks like boring, shallow garbage.

Sorry.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

T.G. Xarbala posted:

I think you might be misreading the general tone of the thread.

Whote Knights have more contingency plans then Batman and Death Note combined.

"If the game comes out and blows your mind you guys will just pretend to still hate it because all goons are alike and this game is great please play this game I'm lonely and want to join a guild :cry: "

no_recall
Aug 17, 2015

Lipstick Apathy

Jestah posted:

Is Elite Dangerous worth the AAA price tag?

Depends, on you and what games you like. Linear BLOPS style with a good story, and scripted events. No.

Its a non linear, procedurally generated sandbox for you to do whatever you want and go wherever you will, (to some) its as boring as watching paint dry. For me, meeting random commanders, and the sheer fact that your boring second job delivering poo poo will let you encounter funny as hell players is worth the price of admission.

e: Also, its indie, and the :20bux::20bux::10bux: is sorta akin to pay to play one time online fee (Guildwars / Diablo3)

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

Derek, they took down the tinypic as well. lol

http://oi67.tinypic.com/2vb4gh1.jpg

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!
Two point oh? More like two point NO!

Iglocska
Nov 23, 2015

no_recall posted:

Depends, on you and what games you like. Linear BLOPS style with a good story, and scripted events. No.

Its a non linear, procedurally generated sandbox for you to do whatever you want and go wherever you will, (to some) its as boring as watching paint dry. For me, meeting random commanders, and the sheer fact that your boring second job delivering poo poo will let you encounter funny as hell players is worth the price of admission.

e: Also, its indie, and the :20bux::20bux::10bux: is sorta akin to pay to play one time online fee (Guildwars / Diablo3)

*until the next expansion / season pass.

The game could be so much better if they worked on the missions you get, had real economy and an actual end-game.

Iglocska
Nov 23, 2015

Yolomon Wayne posted:

What are you all bitching about, i mean SC is perfectly within acceptable parameters for creating a tripple AAA+ squared game,
just see how long everyone else has taken:



I mean, its absolutly 100% certain that these are actual development times, not time between releases in which said companies might have done something else...

For the Blizzard ones at least those are actual development times. Don't know about the rest, but then again I don't really expect Star Citizen to be Blizzard-perfect (unless we're talking about Diablo III)

G0RF
Mar 19, 2015

Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.

Gryphon0468 posted:

Yeah, people are staring to realize SC may actually live up to its promise after all now that Alpha 2.0 is out and are now changing their tune to "oh it's ok I win either way I totally new the game will release and be good I'm just trolling".
Imagine!

We're so close!

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer

AP fucked around with this message at 11:05 on Nov 26, 2015

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Whote Knights have more contingency plans then Batman and Death Note combined.

"If the game comes out and blows your mind you guys will just pretend to still hate it because all goons are alike and this game is great please play this game I'm lonely and want to join a guild :cry: "

I mean Gryphon can put together three shitposts of about the same quality as what I do without managing to come off as an insane person like Karl/Raess/whatever name that one German guy is using at any given moment, a horrifying creeper, or an obnoxious pathological liar-and-nitpicker like Octopode. He's treating the idea that people making fun of SC are in a win-win situation like it's a new revelation rather than something that's been said, and an understood, for a couple of years now. (I'm not one of those people: a lot of what I heard from SC's initial pitch, and follow-up idea spitballing, didn't appeal to me and a lot of it came off as hubris or Molyneux-esque huckstering because, unlike a lot of people apparently, I remembered the Wing Commander movie and the sorry tale of Freelancer's development.)

It's just that he only ever posts in this thread and doesn't realize that, you know, if he didn't act like he was self-imposed crusade to defend the honor of a single game, people might actually treat him like a person and not a gawping talking head. Like a lot of redditors he's making the mistake of treating this dumb, tiny gated community of an internet forum like some kind of battleground and not, you know, like a place of discussion.

Gryphon0468, there's tons of other threads where people talk about games or whatever bullshit they like, in between making posts in this thread trying to joust for SC's honor you could try, I don't know, hanging out? Like if you've got time to try to out-shitpost us you've got time to just plain shoot the poo poo. Don't just post in one thread, you spent ten bucks you might as well get your money's worth.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
There are so many parallels between Chris Roberts and George Lucas



Will he bring balance to PC Gaming, or will we descend deeper into pure chaos?

no_recall
Aug 17, 2015

Lipstick Apathy

Iglocska posted:

*until the next expansion / season pass.

The game could be so much better if they worked on the missions you get, had real economy and an actual end-game.

Personally, Elite is as WIP as Star Citizen is. Its empty, and lifeless without other players. But one thing it does show me, is progress. Both in terms of how a player can progress through the game, and at the same time how development is being handled.

It's quite an experience.

no_recall
Aug 17, 2015

Lipstick Apathy

:captainpop:

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

Pack it up, guys. The game is real and it's super good. I don't know how we could doubt Chris Roberts.

Iglocska
Nov 23, 2015

no_recall posted:

Personally, Elite is as WIP as Star Citizen is. Its empty, and lifeless without other players. But one thing it does show me, is progress. Both in terms of how a player can progress through the game, and at the same time how development is being handled.

It's quite an experience.

I agree. Not sure which idea I prefer more though: An empty but seemingly unambitious state of the game vs an obviously ambitious but horribly buggy / broken / feature incomplete state.

Either way, I'll play both and will stick around with the one that turns out to be more fun in the end - for now I'd say it's going to be Star Citizen, but we'll see.

Knowing my gaming history from the past few years they'll both turn out to be poo poo and I'll just play more StarCraft...

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer


Disco Lando made a nice goodbye post but I suspect he's coming back.

"Developer"

toanoradian
May 31, 2011


The happiest waffligator

SirPhoebos posted:

Yes you do. Go read the grognards.txt thread, and then weep for the Universe.

Grognards.txt isn't a thing anymore, isn't it? I thought the mod said something along the lines of "grognards.txt no longer fits what Traditional Games is" or something and closes it.

Are mock threads dying? Will this one?

edit: should've read all the pages of a thread I'm replying to!

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer

Jobbo_Fett posted:

There are so many parallels between Chris Roberts and George Lucas



Will he bring balance to PC Gaming, or will we descend deeper into pure chaos?

Does this guy have 8 strokes a day or just one permanently?

a whole buncha crows
May 8, 2003

WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHO TO HATE, WE HATE OURSELVES.-SA USER NATION (AKA ME!)

Best game ever

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Yolomon Wayne posted:

Does this guy have 8 strokes a day or just one permanently?

8 strokes... OF GENIUS!

EightAce
May 10, 2015

Watch it all come crashing down on his head and wonder why any of us gave him money in the first place.
So has that weird , pointless guy with a beard , Disco twat ,whatever ,left? Is he leaving or has he been fired??

mcjomar
Jun 11, 2012

Grimey Drawer

EightAce posted:

So has that weird , pointless guy with a beard , Disco twat ,whatever ,left? Is he leaving or has he been fired??

Not yet, no. Right now he's apparently on holiday because of that american turkey holiday.
Unless that's a euphemism for being fired?

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Iglocska posted:

I agree. Not sure which idea I prefer more though: An empty but seemingly unambitious state of the game vs an obviously ambitious but horribly buggy / broken / feature incomplete state.

Either way, I'll play both and will stick around with the one that turns out to be more fun in the end - for now I'd say it's going to be Star Citizen, but we'll see.

Knowing my gaming history from the past few years they'll both turn out to be poo poo and I'll just play more StarCraft...

Elite doesn't really strike me as unambitious, there's an incredible amount of fidelity in the features and the little details. And they went to great lengths to make everything, from the ships to the HUD feel functional and realistic. The procedural foundation for the E:D universe is impressive alone, even if it's ultimately just tech. The fact that they've been adding more content, with plans for further expansions, shows that Frontier has every intention of being the BDSSE while proving they're managed well enough that they just might pull it off.

It strikes me as being as ambitious as Star Citizen, but tempered with realistic expectations and guided by level-headed management. Star Citizen is obviously ambitious but every step of the way it shows signs of atrocious project management. And to top it all off there's not even a clear image of what that ambition is, beyond whatever dreams will sell the most pictures of ships to the most gullible people. I mean, look at those plans for 10 hours of cutscenes in an... open-world mission-based game?

That's not ambition, that's pathetic.

How anybody can be impressed by Star Citizen utterly baffles me. But suckers will be suckers, I guess.

Especially if they're not real PC gamers.

Runa fucked around with this message at 12:01 on Nov 26, 2015

EightAce
May 10, 2015

Watch it all come crashing down on his head and wonder why any of us gave him money in the first place.
That badly written post he put up read an awful lot like a leaving note. maybe he was pulled back from the brink by a sobbing Sandi, herself no stranger to almost throwing in the towel, until overwhelmed by a wave of sperg Love.

Jestah
Dec 7, 2010

by Cyrano4747

T.G. Xarbala posted:

It's going for 15 bux on steam's black friday sale.

I was hoping they'd do that. Couldn't bring myself to spend 50 bucks on something I might just let linger in my steam library.

I've never played Elite or anything other than freelancer. And until coming to these forums to check for something fun to play I was stoked for star citizen because I'm naive. I read OP and now I'm kinda heart broken.

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

mcjomar posted:

Not yet, no. Right now he's apparently on holiday because of that american turkey holiday.
Unless that's a euphemism for being fired?

He is going to a nice farm upstate.

Iglocska
Nov 23, 2015

T.G. Xarbala posted:

Elite doesn't really strike me as unambitious, there's an incredible amount of fidelity in the features and the little details. And they went to great lengths to make everything, from the ships to the HUD feel functional and realistic. The procedural foundation for the E:D universe is impressive alone, even if it's ultimately just tech. The fact that they've been adding more content, with plans for further expansions, shows that Frontier has every intention of being the BDSSE while proving they're managed well enough that they just might pull it off.

It strikes me as being as ambitious as Star Citizen, but tempered with realistic expectations and guided by level-headed management. Star Citizen is obviously ambitious but every step of the way it shows signs of atrocious project management. And to top it all off there's not even a clear image of what that ambition is, beyond whatever dreams will sell the most pictures of ships to the most gullible people.

How anybody can be impressed by Star Citizen utterly baffles me. But suckers will be suckers, I guess.

Especially if they're not real PC gamers.

In terms of sheer size and tech it's amazing! But there just isn't anything to do in the game and once you spend a fair bit of time in it you realise that it's all down to a simplistic list of fetch and kill quests, with all ships feeling almost exactly the same.

Also, it's not about being a sucker but being the target audience, with Star Citizen they've truly managed to cater to the hardcore Gizmondo gamer in me!

Berious
Nov 13, 2005

Bacon Terrorist posted:

'Kid in a Fridge'

The Ben Lesnick story

EightAce
May 10, 2015

Watch it all come crashing down on his head and wonder why any of us gave him money in the first place.

Berious posted:

The Ben Lesnick story

'TRex in a train wreck' that's the ben Lesnick story

mcjomar
Jun 11, 2012

Grimey Drawer

Paladinus posted:

He is going to a nice farm upstate.

Is he going to Willingdon like Boxer did?

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Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Jestah posted:

I was hoping they'd do that. Couldn't bring myself to spend 50 bucks on something I might just let linger in my steam library.

I've never played Elite or anything other than freelancer. And until coming to these forums to check for something fun to play I was stoked for star citizen because I'm naive. I read OP and now I'm kinda heart broken.

Yeah it's edging closer to impulse buy territory. I'm not actually that interested in it but this time around I picked up a copy along with about five other games on sale. The big-ticket item from my shopping cart on that purchase was actually Warhammer Vermintide at a whopping 27 bucks, hey. And it was only a 10%er so it wasn't really on sale, I just heard good things.

As far as Pirates-alikes go Rebel Galaxy is an incredibly fun game for something so relatively contained. Even if it's so obviously Sid Meier's Pirates it hurts. And I'm not even going to add "in space" because it's fuckin' 2D. Not quite as endlessly quirky, charming, and multifaceted as the Space Ranger series from Russia but it has the "quest and trade and fight" thing down pat.

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