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Iglocska posted:I had a look, but those things are in. The ones that I am not sure about : Tell you what, since I want to be fair, let's make it color-by-numbers, OK? I post the list, you highlight what you THINK is in. From this image, the highlights as per the announcement 
The actual release notes:
And for posterity, my original "predictions" quote:
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Loiosh posted:I've found that a sous vide cooker makes things easier, especially with fish. Annova makes the one I currently use, but there's another good one coming out soon: http://www.eater.com/2015/11/24/9788798/chefsteps-sous-vide-gabe-newell-immersion-circulator Lol Sous vide is microwaving poo poo in bags
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D_Smart posted:
There's a long history of ex bank robbers later becoming security consultants. You have to know how you'd steal stuff to be able to spot the weak/exploitable points in a system. Not that I'm saying Ortwin is a bank robber or anything like that, lol the very idea. It's just interesting he's obviously put so much thought into the complete lack of planning or oversight that might cause crowdfunded projects to fail to deliver on their original "campaign concept and convincing marketing materials" and how there's nothing much to stop that currently.
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Nov 29, 2015 18:26
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D_Smart posted:Tell you what, since I want to be fair, let's make it color-by-numbers, OK? I post the list, you highlight what you THINK is in. Bolded the ones that are in, italics for the ones that I don't know. Now again, it's a question of quality not quantity of those checkboxes. Sure, they are in, but most of them are poo poo.
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Nov 29, 2015 18:31
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AP posted:Oh the irony. Yup, and hackers becoming security researchers and analysts. D_Smart fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Nov 29, 2015 |
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Nov 29, 2015 18:31
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D_Smart posted:
On the surface all that looks to be in Derek, nobody not in the game development industry is going to have an opinion on seamless large world stuff unless they're a loving super nerd, social is whatever you think it is, you can salute a random dude, it's in, all the other stuff you can see on videos. FPS obviously doesn't mean the FSP module as previously advertised, but FPS of a form is in. Can we talk about your next blog, when do you think it will go online?
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Friendly Tumour posted:Wasn't D_Smart taking somebody to court over twitter? I wanna see the first star citizen court case Virtual courtrooms are in the next patch.
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peter gabriel posted:Lol Sous vide is microwaving poo poo in bags Well, water. No microwaves involved. The problem with cooking with microwaves is they do not penetrate evenly through the different layers of flesh. In addition, most Microwaves (the devices) do not have even cooking beams: http://www.evilmadscientist.com/2011/microwave-oven-diagnostics-with-indian-snack-food/ The nice thing about a sous vide immersion cooker is that the water temperature is held so that the exposure is the exact temperature you're looking for. It tends to make for more even cooking, especially for meat: http://www.seriouseats.com/2015/06/food-lab-complete-guide-to-sous-vide-steak.html
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Nov 29, 2015 18:34
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Iglocska posted:Bolded the ones that are in, italics for the ones that I don't know. So they aren't all in?
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D_Smart posted:Tell you what, since I want to be fair, let's make it color-by-numbers, OK? I post the list, you highlight what you THINK is in. You just keep posting the same thing over and over again without actually saying what features were promised that aren't in 2.0. It's real easy; you should have it in one of those Evernote notebooks. Just post a simple bullet point list of features CIG promised would be in 2.0 that are not currently in 2.0. Don't quote old posts; don't link; just a nice, simple bullet list.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:So they aren't all in? They're in as in how a physics engine is "in" in Big Rigs.
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Loiosh posted:I've found that a sous vide cooker makes things easier, especially with fish. Annova makes the one I currently use, but there's another good one coming out soon: http://www.eater.com/2015/11/24/9788798/chefsteps-sous-vide-gabe-newell-immersion-circulator For future reference, AP, this is why some of us like his posts. He knows exactly when it's time to go with the flow and change the subject to food ITT.  EDIT: To contribute to that topic and offset the other dumbasses, I'm so happy I finally found a brand of eggs that doesn't just scramble itself before I put them on the drat stove. All those runny as poo poo eggs, and they tend to taste poo poo too...but these stay nice and solid and I get 12 of 'em for the price of 10. Felt good when I first saw that. CrazyLoon fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Nov 29, 2015 |
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Nov 29, 2015 18:37
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Octopode posted:So which features listed are not currently in 2.0? None, because the 'game' doesn't work.
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Iglocska posted:
OK, this is how you clear up an argument. Hey, Octopode, take notes!! Anyway, we are in agreement as to what is in and what isn't in. Though some of them (e.g. encounters, large world) are dubious. Also, note that this 2.0 does not include the full PU, so the "large world" claim is incorrect since 2.0 only includes a small portion of that. We are also in agreement that though described as "in", most of these are in lovely condition, not fully implemented etc. Which goes back to my notation that this 2.0 wasn't ready and that they rushed it out. I look at all the patch notes and I don't see any indication whereby they couldn't have known about over 83% (yeah, I am anal enough to actually work that out btw, because I live and breathe math) of the issues they listed since the first patch. They knew. But they were asked (forced) to release it anyway. Just like I predicted they would. I concede the point that this could be construed as being a "tangible" release; but only if looked at as a whole, and even though they didn't deliver on all promises, nor did they deliver a working product. Note: It's not officially released yet and only about 50K (at least those who can run it, get in etc) have access to it atm. Out of over 700K accounts (notwithstanding the duplicates, freebies who don't have the game etc).
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D_Smart posted:OK, this is how you clear up an argument. Hey, Octopode, take notes!! You claim again they didn't deliver on all promises: which promises?
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But that was my point all along. They are in, the checkboxes are checked - each time people talk about how 2.0 wasn't all that was promised it undermines any real awareness raising to the real issues plaguing the release. The feature list is fine, it's the quality that's atrocious. As for large world - it's in. It's the exact same size as they promised, so I am not bothered by that. What bothers me that you will either clip through the floor of your ship or plain crash before flying a km away from the starting station.
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xanif posted:Can I cook salmon in a pan on a stove top or should I really use an oven? I tried it on a stove top and burnt the ever loving poo poo out of it and now all the recipes I see use an oven. Loosely foil wrapped with salt/pepper/lemon - pop it in the oven. Its the only way sir.
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Why does it matter what was in 2.0 or not? It is an extremely buggy proof of concept that was only pushed out to drive sales and the only sign they have been making any sort of progress after 3-4 years and nearly $100 million dollars.
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Amarcarts posted:Lol now all the people who get paid December 1st have a few hours to buy more JPEGs. It kind of bums me out to think about Shitizens living paycheck to paycheck and buying jpegs so Chris/Sandi can fill their office with overpriced hipster furniture and hobnob with Hollywood stars. I know they're Shitizens and all so are beneath contempt but they're still human. Very gullible humans. e: except Karl, he can go gently caress himself. Berious fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Nov 29, 2015 |
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Dapper Dan posted:Why does it matter what was in 2.0 or not? It is an extremely buggy proof of concept that was only pushed out to drive sales and the only sign they have been making any sort of progress after 3-4 years and nearly $100 million dollars. Ok but... 2.0 is like... .6 or whatever better than the previous version, right? So like, mission accomplished. Nerds. *This message paid for by the Reddit committee.*
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Dapper Dan posted:Why does it matter what was in 2.0 or not? It is an extremely buggy proof of concept that was only pushed out to drive sales and the only sign they have been making any sort of progress after 3-4 years and nearly $100 million dollars. It does if you're hinging an argument on the idea that they lied about what was supposed to be in it instead of arguing that it's a rushed out the door piece of poo poo intended to boost sales of jpegs.
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Octopode posted:You just keep posting the same thing over and over again without actually saying what features were promised that aren't in 2.0. It's real easy; you should have it in one of those Evernote notebooks. you just keep posting the same thing over and over again in this thread, for literally months now that is to say, unreadable pedantic bullshit
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Fil5000 posted:It does if you're hinging an argument on the idea that they lied about what was supposed to be in it instead of arguing that it's a rushed out the door piece of poo poo intended to boost sales of jpegs. This.
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Elite: Dangerous are only just about to beta test 1.5 and SC is already on 2.0 - checkmate goons.
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xanif posted:Can I cook salmon in a pan on a stove top or should I really use an oven? I tried it on a stove top and burnt the ever loving poo poo out of it and now all the recipes I see use an oven. Blackened salmon is great and is a stove top recipe. Coat your salmon in a mix of salt, paprika, black pepper, chili powder, and white pepper, then cook in olive oil on medium heat. The spices will blacken into a crust on the outside and you are going to mace yourself. But the result is pretty good IMO.
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Dapper Dan posted:Why does it matter what was in 2.0 or not? It is an extremely buggy proof of concept that was only pushed out to drive sales and the only sign they have been making any sort of progress after 3-4 years and nearly $100 million dollars. Because what is and isn't included versus what was promised in 2.0 is a matter of fact, and one that continues to be presented incorrectly for no discernable reason.
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Iglocska posted:
Indeed. But, they still didn't deliver everything they promised. But I'm not going to nitpick that; though I should since it's just bullet point padding to make it look more substantial than it really is. Imagine if after listing all this stuff that's coming in the upcoming major (aircraft!) LOD patch, the testers find out that some of it isn't in. In fact, I list them ahead of time as they are implemented and ready for release so that it serves as an accurate roadmap of what to expect in the next patch. Not to mention the fact that, since July, those extremist White Knight assholes have been littering social media, our Steam product/store pages etc with the usual bullshit about how LOD looks, nobody (that's always hilarious) playing it, is buggy, blah, blah, blah. Iglocska posted:As for large world - it's in. It's the exact same size as they promised, so I am not bothered by that. What bothers me that you will either clip through the floor of your ship or plain crash before flying a km away from the starting station. No, it's not. A portion (as per the 2.0 feature list) of it is in.
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Huh, 3 million a month for 3 years is 108 million. The math is suspect. I tried watching one guy stream and the cargo boxes kept bugging out and flying like 679546790854645 miles into space. Was hilarious to watch him try to put a box in a ship to see it fly in a random direction at 840756460 mph, then the game crashed.
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OhDearGodNo posted:None, because the 'game' doesn't work. The game performing in an acceptable way wasn't one of the promised features
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D_Smart posted:No, it's not. A portion (as per the 2.0 feature list) of it is in. What do you think "Large World" is, exactly? Hint: It's not related to the inclusion of the entire ~100 system star map.
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Dapper Dan posted:Why does it matter what was in 2.0 or not? It is an extremely buggy proof of concept that was only pushed out to drive sales and the only sign they have been making any sort of progress after 3-4 years and nearly $100 million dollars. Well yeah, that's been my point. Though unlike Octopode, SA newbie Iglocska, did a very good job (with my directions for clarity) of making his point. So, between him and the two other White Knights, I think we can look forward to more balanced arguments going forward.
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Octopode posted:You claim again they didn't deliver on all promises: which promises? The 2nd drop of the Hangar release was meant to arrive ~9 weeks after the original release in August 2013, it was meant to include the ability to visit other people's hangar's. It's now 27 months since the first hangar release, when can people visit their friends hangar's and therefore maybe not feel the need to buy their own Phoenix? Glad you're here doing this Octopode I have a few dozen other such promises I want explained too if you have time.
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Fil5000 posted:It does if you're hinging an argument on the idea that they lied about what was supposed to be in it instead of arguing that it's a rushed out the door piece of poo poo intended to boost sales of jpegs. ^this But I never said they lied; just that they didn't deliver all (they didn't) as promised. The condition of the delivery is an entirely separate argument that's not in dispute.
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D_Smart posted:Well yeah, that's been my point. Though unlike Octopode, SA newbie Iglocska, did a very good job (with my directions for clarity) of making his point. So, between him and the two other White Knights, I think we can look forward to more balanced arguments going forward. I don't think it can be made any clearer than asking you to provide a simple list of things that you believe were not included that were promised. I'm not making a point; I'm asking you to clearly and concisely quantify a statement you have made repeatedly, but you seemingly refuse to do so.
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Lime Tonics posted:Huh, 3 million a month for 3 years is 108 million. The math is suspect. It's not. They haven't been at that spend rate for that long.
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Hahahahaha stop calling it a game or a game world or anything other than a poorly put together tech demo Chris Roberts called it a movie last week lmao His mmo can't handle more than 20 players together let alone multi crew. I think the greatest and funniest thing is that they still will never ever be able to get this game to work from a technical stand point just because of how hardware and netcode works. But keep throwing money at them because there are a lot more people laughing at star citizen than are desperately defending it and even if they get jesus on board and space miracles happen goons will join for 40 dollars and ruin everything
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:if there's more than 2 layers of quotes or if any sentence starts with "like I said in my july blog" i just stop reading It's like he saw how much everybody loved it when he threw wild accusations around and threatened to sue people who said stuff on twitter and thought "Nah, I'll try and drum up more support for my imaginary lawsuit by arguing with nerds and linking my blog a bunch." Will the real Derek Smart please stand up (and leave until you are funny again)
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AP posted:The 2nd drop of the Hangar release was meant to arrive ~9 weeks after the original release in August 2013, it was meant to include the ability to visit other people's hangar's. It's now 27 months since the first hangar release, when can people visit their friends hangar's and therefore maybe not feel the need to buy their own Phoenix? We are discussing, specifically, 2.0 promised features versus delivered. Do we really have to resort to dozens of nested quotes to keep statements and questions in context, here?
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